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fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 29, 2021
  • #7,001
Oh and Starmer like any other MP using a personal experience of the NHS to validate the work of NHS staff is crass as fuck. We already know this mate but remember it was only a few months back the Tories outwitted you in relation to the nurses' pay deal.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 29, 2021
  • #7,002
shmmeee said:

Exclusive: Keir Starmer and Boris Johnson draw level on best PM rating

It is the first time in 13 years the Labour leader has not been behind in this key rating
www.standard.co.uk
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All that shows is Johnson went down nearly 10% while Starmer stays the same?
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Sep 30, 2021
  • #7,003
Brighton Sky Blue said:
All that shows is Johnson went down nearly 10% while Starmer stays the same?
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Doesn’t matter though mate. People need to appreciate you only need to be good enough to beat your main rival. If Johnson and the government are floundering then Starmer doesn’t need to be spectacular…just competent to the wider electorate (something the harder left don’t seem to grasp)
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 30, 2021
  • #7,004
Brighton Sky Blue said:
All that shows is Johnson went down nearly 10% while Starmer stays the same?
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And yet no Labour leader has managed it for 13 years. Even when May was in charge. You asked for recent polling that was favourable, I gave it to you.
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Sep 30, 2021
  • #7,005
shmmeee said:
Id agree about the latter. Former though he’s actually polling pretty well personally with the public.
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Yep, the majority of Labour voters want Starmer to step down.

When's the release of the Forde Report again?
 

chiefdave

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  • Sep 30, 2021
  • #7,006
Empty shelves, no fuel and talk of Christmas being 'cancelled' results in Labour losing ground. I don't get it.

 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 30, 2021
  • #7,007
chiefdave said:
Empty shelves, no fuel and talk of Christmas being 'cancelled' results in Labour losing ground. I don't get it.

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Because the Greens and LDs picked up support from the Tory slump rather than Labour.
 

shmmeee

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  • Sep 30, 2021
  • #7,008
Philosorapter said:
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Yep, the majority of Labour voters want Starmer to step down.

When's the release of the Forde Report again?
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Still when the ICO investigation is complete like the last ten times you asked

Boris Johnson is one of the least popular Tory MPs among his own party.

I know this will come as a shock to you, but party members don’t make up 100% of the electorate.
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Sep 30, 2021
  • #7,009
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Because the Greens and LDs picked up support from the Tory slump rather than Labour.
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.....otherwise known as the Starmer effect...
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Sep 30, 2021
  • #7,010

DEFRA Gene editing consultation and deregulation bad for sustainable farming

www.soilassociation.org
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 30, 2021
  • #7,011
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
.....otherwise known as the Starmer effect...
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It’s OK. He’s now seen as barely more fit to govern than the biggest idiot to ever grace Number 10
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Sep 30, 2021
  • #7,012
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It’s OK. He’s now seen as barely more fit to govern than the biggest idiot to ever grace Number 10
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Quite scarily in general Starmer is polling much better than the Labour Party which shows the absolute catastrafuck of what has happened to Labour when Starmer's figures are this bad.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Sep 30, 2021
  • #7,013
Philosorapter said:
Quite scarily in general Starmer is polling much better than the Labour Party which shows the absolute catastrafuck of what has happened to Labour when Starmer's figures are this bad.
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It will take them a decade to recover from their final Brexit position alone.
 

shmmeee

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  • Sep 30, 2021
  • #7,014
Ian1779 said:
It will take them a decade to recover from their final Brexit position alone.
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Have you seen the latest polling on Brexit?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Sep 30, 2021
  • #7,015
shmmeee said:
Have you seen the latest polling on Brexit?
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Less than 20% think it’s worked and more than 50% think it’s failed from the latest yougov polling I read earlier.

Brexit will be Boris’ poll tax.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 30, 2021
  • #7,016
skybluetony176 said:
Less than 20% think it’s worked and more than 50% think it’s failed from the latest yougov polling I read earlier.

Brexit will be Boris’ poll tax.
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Nobody voted for poll tax. The majority voted for Brexit.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Sep 30, 2021
  • #7,017
Ian1779 said:
It will take them a decade to recover from their final Brexit position alone.
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The problem was the ridiculous Brexit position Corbyn took all along
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Sep 30, 2021
  • #7,018
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Nobody voted for poll tax. The majority voted for Brexit.
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It was in the Tory manifesto for the 1987 GE, which they won with a sizeable majority and the popular vote. So not strictly true.
 

JAM See

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  • Sep 30, 2021
  • #7,019
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Nobody voted for poll tax. The majority voted for Brexit.
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skybluetony176 said:
Less than 20% think it’s worked and more than 50% think it’s failed from the latest yougov polling I read earlier.

Brexit will be Boris’ poll tax.
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Not sure of the demographics, but I reckon that 52/48 split is being eroded as time goes on.

The problem is, I believe that any new joinee of the EU (i.e the UK) has to commit to using the Euro as their de facto currency.

The rejoining the EU ship has sailed,

For whatever reason, the media will take against it, and that will be that.

We have to put up with this, for better or worse.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 30, 2021
  • #7,020
skybluetony176 said:
It was in the Tory manifesto for the 1987 GE, which they won with a sizeable majority and the popular vote. So not strictly true.
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Nobody directly voted for it in a binary referendum.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 30, 2021
  • #7,021
JAM See said:
Not sure of the demographics, but I reckon that 52/48 split is being eroded as time goes on.

The problem is, I believe that any new joinee of the EU (i.e the UK) has to commit to using the Euro as their de facto currency.

The rejoining the EU ship has sailed,

For whatever reason, the media will take against it, and that will be that.

We have to put up with this, for better or worse.
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My Tory friends who now regret their vote have conceded that Schengen needs to be joined and FoM needs to be restored to relieve the labour shortage. Basically to rejoin in all but name
 

Ian1779

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  • Sep 30, 2021
  • #7,022
shmmeee said:
Have you seen the latest polling on Brexit?
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Yes - but it’s one thing people realising the clusterfuck that is Brexit for themselves, it’s another thing them being told by a group of Westminster MP’s they weren’t informed enough to make the right decision.
 

Ian1779

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  • Sep 30, 2021
  • #7,023
skybluetony176 said:
Less than 20% think it’s worked and more than 50% think it’s failed from the latest yougov polling I read earlier.

Brexit will be Boris’ poll tax.
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But the Tories still got another election win through… which is worrying.
 

shmmeee

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  • Sep 30, 2021
  • #7,024
Ian1779 said:
Yes - but it’s one thing people realising the clusterfuck that is Brexit for themselves, it’s another thing them being told by a group of Westminster MP’s they weren’t informed enough to make the right decision.
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Wasn’t the Labour Brexit policy for another referendum?

The impression o get on here is very much Brexiters are in a state of “don’t mention the war” I’m not sure it’ll matter as much as day to day stuff come the next election let alone in a decade. We’ll see though.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Sep 30, 2021
  • #7,025
Brighton Sky Blue said:
My Tory friends who now regret their vote have conceded that Schengen needs to be joined and FoM needs to be restored to relieve the labour shortage. Basically to rejoin in all but name
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But there’s no chance of that happening is there? Labour have said they won’t entertain FoM and there’s no way the Tories ever will.
 

Ian1779

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  • Sep 30, 2021
  • #7,026
shmmeee said:
Wasn’t the Labour Brexit policy for another referendum?

The impression o get on here is very much Brexiters are in a state of “don’t mention the war” I’m not sure it’ll matter as much as day to day stuff come the next election let alone in a decade. We’ll see though.
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Yes it was - but all the noise behind it was about a PV because the public (Leave voters in essence) didn’t know what they voted for.

I hope you are right to be honest. But as Brighton said, we need things like FoM but now even Labour have doubled down and said they won’t restore it…
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Oct 1, 2021
  • #7,027
Going well then..


Labour actually just held onto a seat in Sunderland.

 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 1, 2021
  • #7,028
Ian1779 said:
But there’s no chance of that happening is there? Labour have said they won’t entertain FoM and there’s no way the Tories ever will.
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Who knows, but at least some former Brexit voters can see they got it wrong
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 1, 2021
  • #7,029
Ian1779 said:
Yes it was - but all the noise behind it was about a PV because the public (Leave voters in essence) didn’t know what they voted for.

I hope you are right to be honest. But as Brighton said, we need things like FoM but now even Labour have doubled down and said they won’t restore it… ☹
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It would be unpopular and admitting a mistake, but it would also help solve the problem. So Dumb and Dumber will never go for it
 
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chiefdave

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  • Oct 1, 2021
  • #7,030
Philosorapter said:
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Got to be more to that result. What's the story there?
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 1, 2021
  • #7,031
chiefdave said:
Got to be more to that result. What's the story there?
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It’s a council by election it means nothing.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 1, 2021
  • #7,032
chiefdave said:
Got to be more to that result. What's the story there?
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Single issue independent boost, at a guess.
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Oct 1, 2021
  • #7,033
chiefdave said:
Got to be more to that result. What's the story there?
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Father (Former Labour councillor) and son (Labour candidate) stood against each other before son stepped down from being Labour candidate in the election. My guessing this has caused more strife in a Civil War than the destruction that happened to Tutbury Castle which also has never been rebuilt
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 1, 2021
  • #7,034
Deleted member 5849 said:
Single issue independent boost, at a guess.
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Ah, the answer's in there:

Independent is former Labour candidate.
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So it's typical local council bickering, that shows, actually, a swing to Labour as a movement. Remember when Dave Nellist nearly let a Tory sneak in at his old seat, when he was deselected?
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Oct 1, 2021
  • #7,035
The candidacy in many local elections is always worth reading into. There is usually something of interest going down.
 
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