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Deleted member 9744

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  • Aug 15, 2021
  • #6,161
Sick Boy said:
On a serious note, all the countries involved should be doing what it can to take in refugees from the area, the situation over there is likely to get very nasty - it’s no good western countries just walking away and turning a blind eye to it.
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Well I hope you are right but the experience of Syia suggests this country at least will not do much.
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 15, 2021
  • #6,162
Grendel said:
to be fair I’m sure you are far more familiar with their forums than me
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Literally “I know you are but what am I”

Go home Grendel, you’re drunk.
 

Evo1883

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  • Aug 16, 2021
  • #6,163
Honestly woke up so annoyed about Afghanistan and I guess many ex/ military personnel will be the same

Lives lost , regions fucked up , peoples lives altered , suicide , mental health problems of thousands of young men and women , innocent people including children dead , refugee crisis ..


And for what

So pissed off

2 friends who took there own lives after going to this shit hole ..Blair and Bush living the life of luxury leaving a trail of destruction , its devastating
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Aug 16, 2021
  • #6,164
COV said:
Surely ‘countries’ aren’t breeding grounds for terrorists, ideologies are and they are in every country
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Taliban retaking Afghanistan makes it much more likely Islamic terrorism will breed there. You can argue that's an ideology but if a group with that ideology are in control of the country then that country becomes a potential breeding ground.

Just like the US is a breeding ground for right-wing nutjobs to go on shooting sprees.
 

Evo1883

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  • Aug 16, 2021
  • #6,165
Do America ever win a war
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 16, 2021
  • #6,166
Evo1883 said:
Do America ever win a war
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Not even against drugs. Worse than the French.
 
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wingy

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  • Aug 16, 2021
  • #6,167
Incredible footage from the airport of of people running down the runway clambering onto the fuselage of a military plane .
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Aug 16, 2021
  • #6,168
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Taliban retaking Afghanistan makes it much more likely Islamic terrorism will breed there. You can argue that's an ideology but if a group with that ideology are in control of the country then that country becomes a potential breeding ground.

Just like the US is a breeding ground for right-wing nutjobs to go on shooting sprees.
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No more so than as a country occupied by a Western power where the Taliban is resurgent anyway.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Aug 16, 2021
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Taliban retaking Afghanistan makes it much more likely Islamic terrorism will breed there. You can argue that's an ideology but if a group with that ideology are in control of the country then that country becomes a potential breeding ground.

Just like the US is a breeding ground for right-wing nutjobs to go on shooting sprees.
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Johnson was talking yesterday about a be a change of Government in Afghanistan, like it's the sort of change we have here after a general election.

This is an extreme regime that we have spent 20 years suppressing and which harboured Bin Ladin. To allow them back is disastrous, not just for the people of Afghanistan but for the West too.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Aug 16, 2021
  • #6,170
20 years of resources, unnecessary loss of life for both soldiers and civilians - how have the Taliban managed to captured an entire country in 7 days?
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 16, 2021
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Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon

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  • Aug 16, 2021
  • #6,172
Evo1883 said:
Honestly woke up so annoyed about Afghanistan and I guess many ex/ military personnel will be the same

Lives lost , regions fucked up , peoples lives altered , suicide , mental health problems of thousands of young men and women , innocent people including children dead , refugee crisis ..


And for what

So pissed off

2 friends who took there own lives after going to this shit hole ..Blair and Bush living the life of luxury leaving a trail of destruction , its devastating
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Very difficult not to feel this way, the strategy was just never achievable and the speed with which the Taliban are back on top makes that very clear. Sorry to hear about your friends Evo, this is going to rake over old wounds for thousands here (and mean god knows what for the average poor bastard stuck in Afghanistan).
 
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Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon

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  • Aug 16, 2021
  • #6,173
Ian1779 said:
20 years of resources, unnecessary loss of life for both soldiers and civilians - how have the Taliban managed to captured an entire country in 7 days?
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Complete lack of will to oppose them it would seem. We've poured billions into their security forces and they've gone through them like they weren't there (which in some places is probably the most accurate description). It will probably revert to the kind of patchwork, tribal alliances and warfare that has characterised the place for centuries, you can expect the likes of Dostum and various other war criminals to re-emerge pretty quickly to make deals and carve out areas of influence/control.
 

COV

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  • Aug 16, 2021
  • #6,174
shmmeee said:
Not even against drugs. Worse than the French.
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they didn’t do too bad against us tbf
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 16, 2021
  • #6,175
COV said:
they didn’t do too bad against us tbf
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I thought that but then remembered they weren’t technical America then so it doesn’t count (that’s my excuse )
 

Johnnythespider

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  • Aug 16, 2021
  • #6,176
Ian1779 said:
20 years of resources, unnecessary loss of life for both soldiers and civilians - how have the Taliban managed to captured an entire country in 7 days?
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They've been allowed to
 

clint van damme

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  • Aug 16, 2021
  • #6,177
Ian1779 said:
20 years of resources, unnecessary loss of life for both soldiers and civilians - how have the Taliban managed to captured an entire country in 7 days?
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It hasn't happened in7 days. The process was started during the Trump administration, I'm not sure what the Yanks are thinking.
 

COV

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  • Aug 16, 2021
  • #6,178
shmmeee said:
I thought that but then remembered they weren’t technical America then so it doesn’t count (that’s my excuse )
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you may be right, also technically it could maybe be classed as a civil war
 

COV

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  • Aug 16, 2021
  • #6,179
Johnnythespider said:
They've been allowed to
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saw footage of the Afghan forces scarpering with terrified & angry locals chucking rocks at them as they were being left to fend for themselves, and long queues outside banks- it’s going to be horrific
 

Evo1883

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  • Aug 16, 2021
  • #6,180
I've seen a video of people falling off the side of American military plane, just desperate
 
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Evo1883

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  • Aug 16, 2021
  • #6,181
shmmeee said:
I thought that but then remembered they weren’t technical America then so it doesn’t count (that’s my excuse )
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Well 80% of the original American settlers were from British blood .

They also had the help of France, Spain and the Dutch to win a war against what was actually a small British force tbh at peak was 48,000
 
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wingy

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  • Aug 16, 2021
  • #6,182
Evo1883 said:
I've seen a video of people falling off the side of American military plane, just desperate
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Almost under the wheels, hundreds of them , danger of getting sucked into the engine's etc.
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Aug 16, 2021
  • #6,183

Clown world.
 
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Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon

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  • Aug 16, 2021
  • #6,184
Evo1883 said:
Well 80% of the original American settlers were from British blood .

They also had the help of France, Spain and the Dutch to win a war against what was actually a small British force tbh at peak was 48,000
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Think we fucked our chances of winning that war pretty early on and the appearance of a french fleet basically swung Yorktown for the yanks and brought the end. From what i remember from my uni days the Russians piled in on us at one point too.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Aug 17, 2021
  • #6,185
More evidence Grammars don’t do what they purport to

 

David O'Day

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  • Aug 17, 2021
  • #6,186
Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon said:
Think we fucked our chances of winning that war pretty early on and the appearance of a french fleet basically swung Yorktown for the yanks and brought the end. From what i remember from my uni days the Russians piled in on us at one point too.
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Also the French and Spanish sniffing around the sugar islands in the West Indies as well help the Americans
 

David O'Day

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  • Aug 17, 2021
  • #6,187
Johnnythespider said:
They've been allowed to
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This is the point a force 4 times the size with the best modern equipment just refused to fight,

Even the Taliban are shocked at what has happened
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Aug 17, 2021
  • #6,188
Not sure if anyone has seen this, but I thought this article was quite interesting on how the Afghan army essentially dissolved.

Why did the Afghan army disintegrate so quickly?

The billions spent by the US and NATO on the Afghan military could not fix major internal flaws.
www.aljazeera.com

How this stuff was ignored when factored into the withdrawal plans is shocking.
 

clint van damme

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  • Aug 17, 2021
  • #6,189
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Not sure if anyone has seen this, but I thought this article was quite interesting on how the Afghan army essentially dissolved.

Why did the Afghan army disintegrate so quickly?

The billions spent by the US and NATO on the Afghan military could not fix major internal flaws.
www.aljazeera.com

How this stuff was ignored when factored into the withdrawal plans is shocking.
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It's quite incredible.
Similar ro Iraq where Blair and Bush were warned of the Sunni/Shia schism that would develop post Saddam and totally ignored it.

It's the political equvilant of Saturday when we went into a game of football without a nominated penalty taker. Absolute amateur hour.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #6,190
I see Desmond Swayne and John Redwood are talking absolute bollocks in Parliament again. Redwood being corrected by Teresa May of all people.
 
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wingy

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #6,191
The contrast between HK refugees and this crisis is very pronounced.
 
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derbyskyblue

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #6,192
Sorry to change tack completely , but i see sunak is after the triple lock pension.
Didnt this do for Theresa May (apart from brexit ) ? Quite a dangerous move sunak could be making here....for him and us.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #6,193
derbyskyblue said:
Sorry to change tack completely , but i see sunak is after the triple lock pension.
Didnt this do for Theresa May (apart from brexit ) ? Quite a dangerous move sunak could be making here....for him and us.
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What! But but Boris lad promised he wouldn’t at the last GE.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #6,194
derbyskyblue said:
Sorry to change tack completely , but i see sunak is after the triple lock pension.
Didnt this do for Theresa May (apart from brexit ) ? Quite a dangerous move sunak could be making here....for him and us.
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Think it makes sense as a one off tweak. Wage growth is currently 7-8% due to Covid. Difficult to ask everyone to tighten belts and then increase pensions by that amount. It’s an anomaly year.

As well as Brexit, think it was the social care proposal that did for May (an issue still to come for the government !)...and just a generally shit manifesto and campaign, which lost her majority
 

skybluetony176

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  • Aug 18, 2021
  • #6,195
CCFCSteve said:
Think it makes sense as a one off tweak. Wage growth is currently 7-8% due to Covid. Difficult to ask everyone to tighten belts and then increase pensions by that amount. It’s an anomaly year.

As well as Brexit, think it was the social care proposal that did for May (an issue still to come for the government !)...and just a generally shit manifesto and campaign, which lost her majority
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We already have one of the worst pensions in Europe, even this “anomaly” year wouldn’t change that. It’s a cop out to “level up”. Barely a month since he made that speech. Clearly just more Boris bluster.
 
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