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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Today at 10:14 AM
  • #61,321
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
This thread has delivered in every way I knew it would this morning.

Denial, whataboutism, allegations of racism. I mean some of you really go the extra mile to miss the reality of the situation.

The idea you can have a go at people for highlighting that the demographic landscape of the UK is being changed when you have an election like this would be funny if it wasn't so sad. The demographics for this region suggest 30% Muslim population (up from 20% in the last 10-15 years). There's obviously a very high Muslim vote, and they're obviously voting for the one party they think they can manipulate.
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Ah excellent you’ve come out and said it. Let’s see if they can manipulate the party. Certainly all other parties are under huge amounts of influence from small groups of people .

Used to be easier but now it’s more complicated. Tories rich Labour working class

Let’s not pretend it’s anything new for a party to be influenced or that it’s necessarily a bad thing
 

rob9872

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  • Today at 10:14 AM
  • #61,322
Ccfcisparks said:
Nick genuine question, if you were to vote tomorrow who would you vote for.
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Carl Rushworth
 
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Nick

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  • Today at 10:14 AM
  • #61,323
SkyBlueMatt said:
The way the right wing portrays the Muslim stereotype and the belief of cheating with 'family voting'. I'm sure husbands forced their wives/daughters/sons to vote for a white woman with a gay Jew as leader.
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Makes you wonder why the muslim vote backed them then?

Was it the things they agreed to and the extreme islamist fella they drafted in?
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 10:14 AM
  • #61,324
SkyBlueMatt said:
The way the right wing portrays the Muslim stereotype and the belief of cheating with 'family voting'. I'm sure husbands forced their wives/daughters/sons to vote for a white woman with a gay Jew as leader.
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Again the gay Jew and the white woman joined forces with a known anti Jew pro Islam rabble rouser to get elected
 

Nick

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  • Today at 10:15 AM
  • #61,325
Ccfcisparks said:
Nick genuine question, if you were to vote tomorrow who would you vote for.
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That's what I mean, absolutely no clue.

If they put John Davidson up for election without a thought, him.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 10:16 AM
  • #61,326
CCFCSteve said:
No, Duffer referred to my comment about reform and greens being divisive and asked why did I think Greens were divisive. I gave a couple of examples
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Yes, I was responding to your line on 'why no British stuff in there?'.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Today at 10:16 AM
  • #61,327
SkyBlueMatt said:
The way the right wing portrays the Muslim stereotype and the belief of cheating with 'family voting'. I'm sure husbands forced their wives/daughters/sons to vote for a white woman with a gay Jew as leader.
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Of course white families do not discuss who they vote for and people are never influenced by who their parents voted for
 
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rob9872

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  • Today at 10:16 AM
  • #61,328
Nick said:
That's what I mean, absolutely no clue.

If they put John Davidson up for election without a thought, him.
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What do we want?
An end to Tourettes
When do we want it?
C*nt!
 

Nick

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  • Today at 10:17 AM
  • #61,329
rob9872 said:
Carl Rushworth
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To be fair, that tash might get a few onside.
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 10:17 AM
  • #61,330
Sky Blue Pete said:
Ah excellent you’ve come out and said it. Let’s see if they can manipulate the party. Certainly all other parties are under huge amounts of influence from small groups of people .

Used to be easier but now it’s more complicated. Tories rich Labour working class

Let’s not pretend it’s anything new for a party to be influenced or that it’s necessarily a bad thing
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If you think its OK for a party that used to focus on Green issues to whore itself to George Galloway then I am struggling to know what to say to you

Polanski has out grifted the arch Reform grifter

What a day
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 10:17 AM
  • #61,331
Nick said:
Makes you wonder why the muslim vote backed them then?

Was it the things they agreed to and the extreme islamist fella they drafted in?
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Maybe it's more about who they aren't rather than who they are. Reform clearly think they're scum, whereas Labour have carried on the policy of supporting Israel's crimes in Gaza and alienated younger voters.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Today at 10:17 AM
  • #61,332
Marty said:
Useful idiot Pete, they know they can manipulate people like her.
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Yep esb thinks similar. Let’s see we’ve certainly been screwed by rich elites influencing both tories and labour
 

Nick

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  • Today at 10:18 AM
  • #61,333
fernandopartridge said:
Of course white families do not discuss who they vote for and people are never influenced by who their parents voted for
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That's not what a "family vote" is, is it? I'm confused, is it a good thing or a bad thing for democracy?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Today at 10:18 AM
  • #61,334
Nick said:
Makes you wonder why the muslim vote backed them then?

Was it the things they agreed to and the extreme islamist fella they drafted in?
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You have no idea whether "the muslim vote" backed them. Unless you are privy to some hitherto unavailable information.
 
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LarryGrayson

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  • Today at 10:19 AM
  • #61,335
Sky Blue Pete said:
Yep esb thinks similar
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or theyve read it somewhere
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Today at 10:19 AM
  • #61,336
Nick said:
Makes you wonder why the muslim vote backed them then?

Was it the things they agreed to and the extreme islamist fella they drafted in?
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What did Galloway do? Did he not just support the Green candidate or was he involved in the material or turning up?
 

rob9872

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  • Today at 10:20 AM
  • #61,337
Sky Blue Pete said:
What did Galloway do? Did he not just support the Green candidate or was he involved in the material or turning up?
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Pretended he was a cat
 
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Grendel

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  • Today at 10:20 AM
  • #61,338
No one is of course focusing on another fuck up by Starmer

Refusing to allow Burnham to stand
Producing dodgy leaflets with fake poll results
Sending a message vote Green and get Reform
Turning up to campaign when no one wanted him there
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Today at 10:20 AM
  • #61,339
Nick said:
That's not what a "family vote" is, is it? I'm confused, is it a good thing or a bad thing for democracy?
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The only difference is where the influencing takes place. Not that there was any evidence of it actually happening in this election.

However, the by-election's acting returning officer said polling station staff were trained to look for undue influence on voters and "no such issues" had been reported during polling hours.
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fernandopartridge

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  • Today at 10:21 AM
  • #61,340
Grendel said:
No one is of course focusing on another fuck up by Starmer

Refusing to allow Burnham to stand
Producing dodgy leaflets with fake poll results
Sending a message vote Green and get Reform
Turning up to campaign when no one wanted him there
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He's got the midas touch, any shmmeee and the lads told me he's going to go left in a few weeks and everybody will love hiim
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 10:21 AM
  • #61,341
Sky Blue Pete said:
What did Galloway do? Did he not just support the Green candidate or was he involved in the material or turning up?
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He stood his party candidate down and threw his weight behind the Green Party - they had 10% share in the General Election
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Today at 10:22 AM
  • #61,342
Grendel said:
He stood his party candidate down and threw his weight behind the Green Party - they had 10% share in the General Election
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So nothing
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Today at 10:24 AM
  • #61,343
Grendel said:
He stood his party candidate down and threw his weight behind the Green Party - they had 10% share in the General Election
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Poor old Nigel must be gutted about that

Brexit party will not contest 317 Tory-won seats, Farage says

Party leader announces election climbdown in effort to avoid splitting leave vote
www.theguardian.com
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 10:24 AM
  • #61,344
Sky Blue Pete said:
So nothing
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Withdrawing his candidate and telling all his supporters to switch a vote to the Green Party as a Pro Palestine vote is nothing?

Sure.
 
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LarryGrayson

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  • Today at 10:24 AM
  • #61,345
Sky Blue Pete said:
So nothing
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its endorsement from a dodgy geezer tho i mean i wouldnt want nige endorsing me neither
 
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Nick

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  • Today at 10:25 AM
  • #61,346
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Maybe it's more about who they aren't rather than who they are. Reform clearly think they're scum, whereas Labour have carried on the policy of supporting Israel's crimes in Gaza and alienated younger voters.
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Yeah the last bit goes with what I have been saying.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Today at 10:25 AM
  • #61,347
Sky Blue Pete said:
It’s the new norm I agree
It’s a shame and both the Conservative 14 year term and labours 18 months have a lot to answer for not finding a way to improve things
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People just don’t live in the real world and just want easy answers. In the past 15-20 years we’ve had

Financial crisis
Global pandemic
Ukraine war which together with post Covid, QE etc lead to rampant inflation

Throw in the fact we have an aging unhealthy demographic, Brexit and whether people like it or not population growth of 10%+ and it’s no surprise there’s been a massive impact on the U.K, our living standards, public services etc

The worlds changed and will continue to with AI etc but nobody wants to accept it or come up with honest answers and tough choices to the challenges ahead
 
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Grendel

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  • Today at 10:26 AM
  • #61,348
LarryGrayson said:
its endorsement from a dodgy geezer tho i mean i wouldnt want nige endorsing me neither
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As I said its a couple of Grifters in Polanski and Farage trying to out grift each other
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Today at 10:27 AM
  • #61,349
CCFCSteve said:
People just don’t live in the real world and just want easy answers. In the past 15-20 years we’ve had

Financial crisis
Global pandemic
Ukraine war which together with post Covid, QE etc lead to rampant inflation

Throw in the fact we have an aging unhealthy demographic, Brexit and whether people like it or not population growth of 10%+ and it’s no surprise there’s been a massive impact on the U.K, our living standards, public services etc

The worlds changed and will continue to with AI etc but nobody wants to accept it or come up with honest answers and tough choices to the challenges ahead
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What’s your thoughts on the tough choices?
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Today at 10:27 AM
  • #61,350
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Yes, I was responding to your line on 'why no British stuff in there?'.
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I suggested a British flag, alongside the Pakistani and Palestine flags if you didn’t want to be divisive
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Today at 10:31 AM
  • #61,351
Sky Blue Pete said:
What’s your thoughts on the tough choices?
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Fuck knows with AI. Generally I’ve always felt the conversation should be around higher taxes for better public services due to demographics but ensuring the goverment spends the cash wisely and in the right areas to benefit the population as a whole. Not particularly radical


Edit - no issue with increasing borrowing for infrastructure projects that will help with growth etc but these projects need to be delivered a lot quicker and better value
 
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Nick

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  • Today at 10:34 AM
  • #61,352
fernandopartridge said:
You have no idea whether "the muslim vote" backed them. Unless you are privy to some hitherto unavailable information.
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They literally said it?
 

Nick

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  • Today at 10:35 AM
  • #61,353
LarryGrayson said:
its endorsement from a dodgy geezer tho i mean i wouldnt want nige endorsing me neither
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Probably just setup alter agos for each.
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 10:44 AM
  • #61,354
To be fair I agree with George here

 
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PVA

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  • Today at 10:56 AM
  • #61,355
No reports from the council of this apparent electoral fraud. No reports from the police. No reports from any polling staff.

Then it all comes out after the vote, once Reform have lost.

Yet watch it become gospel for many over the next few days. Fucking chancers.
 
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