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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 2:33 PM
  • #59,151
Sky Blue Pete said:
And farmers and fisheries
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Huge amounts of food getting wasted on arrival in NI because it couldn’t be accepted. A Brexit bonus?
 

Sick Boy

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  • Today at 2:34 PM
  • #59,152
Bugsy said:
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She seems normal.
 
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wingy

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  • Today at 2:41 PM
  • #59,153
Sick Boy said:
She seems normal.
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Influencers.
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 2:42 PM
  • #59,154
mmttww said:
Is it any different from your regular 'I pulled myself up from a tough place so everyone else should suck it up!' routine?
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I didn't pull myself up from anywhere?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Today at 2:46 PM
  • #59,155
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Huge amounts of food getting wasted on arrival in NI because it couldn’t be accepted. A Brexit bonus?
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Yep no businesses were affected working through Ireland and Northern Ireland good point
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 2:49 PM
  • #59,156
Sky Blue Pete said:
Yep no businesses were affected working through Ireland and Northern Ireland good point
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To small businesses like coffee shops and small manufacturing companies who had no exports can you tell me the impact?

The massive impact was clearly COVID far more than anything
 
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PVA

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  • Today at 2:57 PM
  • #59,157
Grendel said:
To small businesses like coffee shops and small manufacturing companies who had no exports can you tell me the impact?

The massive impact was clearly COVID far more than anything
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Ah yes coffee shops wouldn't have been affected by changes to imports and customs at all, what with the huge supply of homegrown coffee beans grown right here in the UK.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Today at 3:03 PM
  • #59,158
fernandopartridge said:
The budget is to placate the 'markets' as if they are in charge. There is no promise at all of any improvement to public services, very little on public infrastructure for anywhere other than London and the South East as per.
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Agree that Reeves looked to remain within her fiscal rules, which included building in a bit of extra headroom, to keep markets happy

However, she’s avoided any tough decisions that would get pushback from the party like trying to reform welfare (to reduce its forecast increases) and gone further with two child benefit cap etc…..Reeves/the government have decided to tax more, borrow more and spend more, that’s not to placate markets, theyre political choices and some in this budget were done to keep party happy.

Ps it’s not fair to suggest there’s no promise to invest in public services, the government has recommitted to investing £120bn in cap ex. My issue is where are the incentives to get private sector to invest, grow and employ ? This all seems to have been forgotten
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Today at 3:27 PM
  • #59,159
Grendel said:
To small businesses like coffee shops and small manufacturing companies who had no exports can you tell me the impact?

The massive impact was clearly COVID far more than anything
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A massive impact was Covid
A massive impact was Brexit which also added significant increases to the costs for coffee shops and small manufacturing companies
But I know nothing cos I’m a c**t
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 3:27 PM
  • #59,160
PVA said:
Ah yes coffee shops wouldn't have been affected by changes to imports and customs at all, what with the huge supply of homegrown coffee beans grown right here in the UK.
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How many coffee beans are imported from the EU? - I actually have no idea

I think NI hikes, hikes in minimum wage, hikes in business rates might have more impact.

Clearly you don't
 

eastwoodsdustman

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  • Today at 3:30 PM
  • #59,161
fernandopartridge said:
What's the economic benefit of pulling the plug on that scheme? From where I am looking it saves no real money and is purely to placate spite.
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It may well be but seeing unemployed neighbours driving brand new luxury cars only advertises the benefits of not working to others.
Its certainly not what the benefits system was intended to do.
 
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Grendel

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  • Today at 3:33 PM
  • #59,162
Sky Blue Pete said:
A massive impact was Covid
A massive impact was Brexit which also added significant increases to the costs for coffee shops and small manufacturing companies
But I know nothing cos I’m a c**t
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Starmer and Reeves said they would grow the country if they were elected. Oddly this promise was made when Brexit was done.

Its funny as you spend your whole time on these threads moaning about people being unfair on Starmer and Reeves and laughing at voting Reform rather than asking why. The answer is they are not supporting businesses, they are now presiding over the biggest tax bills ever, the biggest welfare bills ever, false claims about the NHS improving and more people unemployed.

This has nothing to do with Brexit
 
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CovValleyBoy

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  • Today at 3:37 PM
  • #59,163
The amount of scribbling on here from you lefties. Maybe
Grendel said:
How many coffee beans are imported from the EU? - I actually have no idea

I think NI hikes, hikes in minimum wage, hikes in business rates might have more impact.

Clearly you don't
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& Net Zero. The one policy that would have a huge positive impact on the economy is paying small business' on agreed terms.
60 days often arrives in 90 + days.
 
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PVA

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  • Today at 3:41 PM
  • #59,164
Grendel said:
How many coffee beans are imported from the EU? - I actually have no idea

I think NI hikes, hikes in minimum wage, hikes in business rates might have more impact.

Clearly you don't
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Doesn't matter whether it's coffee beans, cheese, wine, meat. Whatever. Costs of everything went up because of Brexit, not to mention the effect on the economy as a whole.

To claim that Brexit had 'zero impact' on most small businesses is a nonsense.

You're perfectly entitled to criticise Starmer and Reeves for this budget and beyond, but you just look a bit silly when you are unable to admit the thing you voted for has had a far bigger impact on the economy than anything they've done.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Today at 3:41 PM
  • #59,165
Grendel said:
Starmer and Reeves said they would grow the country if they were elected. Oddly this promise was made when Brexit was done.

Its funny as you spend your whole time on these threads moaning about people being unfair on Starmer and Reeves and laughing at voting Reform rather than asking why. The answer is they are not supporting businesses, they are now presiding over the biggest tax bills ever, the biggest welfare bills ever, false claims about the NHS improving and more people unemployed.

This has nothing to do with Brexit
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Haven’t moaned about anyone being unfair to reeves and starmer
You and the whole media narrative appears to be tories had 14 years and messed up and after about a month Labour are exactly the same
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Today at 3:42 PM
  • #59,166
CovValleyBoy said:
The amount of scribbling on here from you lefties. Maybe
& Net Zero. The one policy that would have a huge positive impact on the economy is paying small business' on agreed terms.
60 days often arrives in 90 + days.
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Lefties
Most of the nation are left of reform and labour
 
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Grendel

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  • Today at 3:44 PM
  • #59,167
Sky Blue Pete said:
Haven’t moaned about anyone being unfair to reeves and starmer
You and the whole media narrative appears to be tories had 14 years and messed up and after about a month Labour are exactly the same
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A month?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Today at 3:45 PM
  • #59,168
Grendel said:
A month?
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Look back on the threads maybe less
I think it’s legitimate now to start asking questions of them
I notice no comments on the immigration figures
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Today at 3:48 PM
  • #59,169
Interesting from Peston

 

fernandopartridge

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  • Today at 3:56 PM
  • #59,170
CCFCSteve said:
Agree that Reeves looked to remain within her fiscal rules, which included building in a bit of extra headroom, to keep markets happy

However, she’s avoided any tough decisions that would get pushback from the party like trying to reform welfare (to reduce its forecast increases) and gone further with two child benefit cap etc…..Reeves/the government have decided to tax more, borrow more and spend more, that’s not to placate markets, theyre political choices and some in this budget were done to keep party happy.

Ps it’s not fair to suggest there’s no promise to invest in public services, the government has recommitted to investing £120bn in cap ex. My issue is where are the incentives to get private sector to invest, grow and employ ? This all seems to have been forgotten
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The only welfare reform that would make any significant savings would be pensions, and quite rightly that isn't happening as UK state pensions are already among the worst in Europe.

£120bn in capital expenditure is not new though is it? The commitment was made in 2024 and yet despite an abysmal economic outlook since then, nothing new has been added. It's not even a lot of money in the context of overall government spending, tiny really. We've had over 40 years waiting for the mythical large scale private capital investment to replace public investment in the UK, but there is always a reason it doesn't happen.



PS: Glad you agree it is a political choice to borrow (i.e. sell bonds) not a necessity
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 4:00 PM
  • #59,171
Sky Blue Pete said:
Look back on the threads maybe less
I think it’s legitimate now to start asking questions of them
I notice no comments on the immigration figures
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I’m sure if it had gone up by 600,000 we’d have heard about it on here.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Today at 4:07 PM
  • #59,172
eastwoodsdustman said:
It may well be but seeing unemployed neighbours driving brand new luxury cars only advertises the benefits of not working to others.
Its certainly not what the benefits system was intended to do.
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The benefits system pays a personal independence payment (formerly known as disability living allowance), it is what it is supposed to do. That people choose to spend that money on a car is up to them.
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 4:15 PM
  • #59,173
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I’m sure if it had gone up by 600,000 we’d have heard about it on here.
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Why?
 
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eastwoodsdustman

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  • Today at 4:18 PM
  • #59,174
fernandopartridge said:
The benefits system pays a personal independence payment (formerly known as disability living allowance), it is what it is supposed to do. That people choose to spend that money on a car is up to them.
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If they can afford to spend most of their PIP on a high end car then it could be viewed that the really didn’t need the PIP in the first place or at least the amount they are getting.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Today at 4:18 PM
  • #59,175
fernandopartridge said:
The only welfare reform that would make any significant savings would be pensions, and quite rightly that isn't happening as UK state pensions are already among the worst in Europe.

£120bn in capital expenditure is not new though is it? The commitment was made in 2024 and yet despite an abysmal economic outlook since then, nothing new has been added. It's not even a lot of money in the context of overall government spending, tiny really. We've had over 40 years waiting for the mythical large scale private capital investment to replace public investment in the UK, but there is always a reason it doesn't happen.



PS: Glad you agree it is a political choice to borrow (i.e. sell bonds) not a necessity
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Agree pensions is the main issue. I’d personally change the triple lock and just make it inflation linked. The comparisons with other countries are never usually accurate as I don’t think they always take into account auto enrolment/public sector, free healthcare, pension credits etc. it’s tricky to compare like for like

Been saying for a while it will get worse as I can see state pension being means tested in the not too distant future…probably just in time for me ! so not sure why we keep up the pretence the triple lock is affordable

other countries are also grappling with this issue

There’s other stuff around welfare in relation to sickness/support benefits as I alluded to earlier. The data just doesn’t stack up for me (big increases in certain claimants). All I want is spending to reach the right people/areas

we need a combination of public and private sector investment, public sector investment alone won’t do it, especially when we look at the delays etc of large infrastructure projects

ps very funny !
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 4:18 PM
  • #59,176
Grendel said:
Why?
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Ha!
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 4:20 PM
  • #59,177
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Ha!
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I don't think its as much an issue as (failing) to Stop The Boats and Smash The Gangs

Rise in number of asylum seekers being housed in hotels, as official net migration stats are released

While the government claims to have halved the number of hotels used to house asylum seekers, the latest figures show more people are being held in this type of accommodation.
news.sky.com
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 4:35 PM
  • #59,178
Grendel said:
I don't think its as much an issue as (failing) to Stop The Boats and Smash The Gangs

Rise in number of asylum seekers being housed in hotels, as official net migration stats are released

While the government claims to have halved the number of hotels used to house asylum seekers, the latest figures show more people are being held in this type of accommodation.
news.sky.com
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People wanted big action on immigration, it goes down by 600,000 and nobody from the right of this forum has anything to say about it.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Today at 4:57 PM
  • #59,179
Brighton Sky Blue said:
People wanted big action on immigration, it goes down by 600,000 and nobody from the right of this forum has anything to say about it.
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It’s the 45000 including 5000 under 18’s that are the cause of every evil
Remove them we’ll be fine
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 5:58 PM
  • #59,180
Brighton Sky Blue said:
People wanted big action on immigration, it goes down by 600,000 and nobody from the right of this forum has anything to say about it.
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No one said anything about the illegal migration hotel increase either
 
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PVA

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  • Today at 7:18 PM
  • #59,181
Grendel said:
No one said anything about the illegal migration hotel increase either
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Probably because it was a negligible 1.8% increase on the same period last year.

Whereas net migration has dropped 69%.

I thought most people in here would be pretty chuffed with that, and yet...
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 7:32 PM
  • #59,182
PVA said:
Probably because it was a negligible 1.8% increase on the same period last year.

Whereas net migration has dropped 69%.

I thought most people in here would be pretty chuffed with that, and yet...
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Whose “most people”?
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 7:39 PM
  • #59,183
Grendel said:
No one said anything about the illegal migration hotel increase either
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I thought the people on here obsessed with immigration would have at least passed comment on it going down by 70%. I guess not?
 
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PVA

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  • Today at 7:41 PM
  • #59,184
Grendel said:
Whose “most people”?
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Quite obviously the numerous people who keep saying immigration levels are too high?

Waiting for an equivalent 'she's French' card to come out soon, this is weak stuff.
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 7:44 PM
  • #59,185
PVA said:
Quite obviously the numerous people who keep saying immigration levels are too high?

Waiting for an equivalent 'she's French' card to come out soon, this is weak stuff.
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With respect you keep making claims - not me. Now it’s numerous people! Yet you can’t name one?

Surely “weak stuff” would be a person making accusations and then not having the bollocks to name names?

Strange
 
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