Do you want to discuss boring politics? (31 Viewers)

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:

So what other issues are they cutting through on? As you seem to understand why people support Reform on points other than 'it's all foreigners' fault', why not explain it to us? What are these other points?

I work in area with a very diverse socio-economic population and I have to interact with many members of the community. And I can tell you that the people who support Reform there are ALL in lower socio-economic groups, have low education and do so solely on immigration. No matter what is talked about it always comes down to 'less foreigners will make it better'.

And to be honest I can understand that. They're wrong and are being hoodwinked, but I can understand how they get to that point. But I've not heard a single person mention a multi-faceted argument as to why Reform would improve things.

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OMG what a statement, I live amongst a very very diverse socio-economic population but as a couple we are both middle income earners with degrees of the traditional type (mathematics and optometry) so reasonable education. We are Reform card holders and whilst you continually spout supporters of Reform are just concerned/blame everything on 'foreigners' the facts are Labour had 14 years to get there act together and the polls suggest they are not performing well by large numbers that voted for them. You and other posters are quite right that there is little substance at the moment to Reforms proposals in government but the landscape and possibility of achieving some aims after another 3+ years of the current government would be based on a narrative the BBC could produce!. Immigration, welfare, public spending, speed of net zero are some area's of focus for Reform how they fare time Might tell.
In conclusion I'll end by suggesting I'm not 'FIK' I'm not that 'SKINT' I like my neighbours who just happen to be foreign nationals and I'm open to another political option.

ccfcno9 said:

OMG what a statement, I live amongst a very very diverse socio-economic population but as a couple we are both middle income earners with degrees of the traditional type (mathematics and optometry) so reasonable education. We are Reform card holders and whilst you continually spout supporters of Reform are just concerned/blame everything on 'foreigners' the facts are Labour had 14 years to get there act together and the polls suggest they are not performing well by large numbers that voted for them. You and other posters are quite right that there is little substance at the moment to Reforms proposals in government but the landscape and possibility of achieving some aims after another 3+ years of the current government would be based on a narrative the BBC could produce!. Immigration, welfare, public spending, speed of net zero are some area's of focus for Reform how they fare time Might tell.
In conclusion I'll end by suggesting I'm not 'FIK' I'm not that 'SKINT' I like my neighbours who just happen to be foreign nationals and I'm open to another political option.

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You’ve judged Labour on their 14 years out of power wow

going full Life of Brian now - dumb bunch of pricks.

Sky Blue Pete said:

You’ve judged Labour on their 14 years out of power wow

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I've judged Labour on 14 years in opposition to prepare the fully costed plans/policy's and hit the ground running, to put right some of the the failing of the previous government yet those ridiculing Reform for not having that ready yet after 16 months with just a few MP's in the commons is a bit OTT in my opinion.
6-12months before the next general election if its not available you may have a point.

ccfcno9 said:

I've judged Labour on 14 years in opposition to prepare the fully costed plans/policy's and hit the ground running, to put right some of the the failing of the previous government yet those ridiculing Reform for not having that ready yet after 16 months with just a few MP's in the commons is a bit OTT in my opinion.
6-12months before the next general election if its not available you may have a point.

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Nigel Farage has been around for a lot longer than 14 years.

fernandopartridge said:

Nigel Farage has been around for a lot longer than 14 years.

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A part on the back for that info, albeit not with as an MP with a party that might just win a general election.

ccfcno9 said:

OMG what a statement, I live amongst a very very diverse socio-economic population but as a couple we are both middle income earners with degrees of the traditional type (mathematics and optometry) so reasonable education. We are Reform card holders and whilst you continually spout supporters of Reform are just concerned/blame everything on 'foreigners' the facts are Labour had 14 years to get there act together and the polls suggest they are not performing well by large numbers that voted for them. You and other posters are quite right that there is little substance at the moment to Reforms proposals in government but the landscape and possibility of achieving some aims after another 3+ years of the current government would be based on a narrative the BBC could produce!. Immigration, welfare, public spending, speed of net zero are some area's of focus for Reform how they fare time Might tell.
In conclusion I'll end by suggesting I'm not 'FIK' I'm not that 'SKINT' I like my neighbours who just happen to be foreign nationals and I'm open to another political option.

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I'm just telling you the facts of what I've found while working there.

I don't speak to everyone in that community and of those that I do most we've never touched on the subject of politics. Frankly I don't bring it up as its a surefire way of creating tension. But of those that choose to talk politics all the ones who say they're Reform supporters are lower income, low education.

That's not saying all lower income, low education people I've spoken to there support Reform. Many don't. It also doesn't mean there aren't any people there in higher socio-economic groups who support Reform - maybe they just don't want to reveal that they do. As I said I don't try and talk to people about politics.

As you've decided that Labour's 14 years in opposition is enough for them to get their act together and come up with a plan and implement it in a year, I will remind you that Farage spent about two decades campaigning to get us out of the EU. Is that not enough time for him to have got his act together and come up with a plan as to how to make that work, and tell people how to make it work? Nearly a decade later and we're still waiting for the benefits he said we'd have...

You're entitled to support whoever you wish, but if your hope/expectation is that Farage and Reform have some incredible plan to sort out the country, I suggest you spend the next four years preparing yourself for a huge disappointment should they win.