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ccfcno9

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  • Nov 14, 2025
  • #58,766
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
So what other issues are they cutting through on? As you seem to understand why people support Reform on points other than 'it's all foreigners' fault', why not explain it to us? What are these other points?

I work in area with a very diverse socio-economic population and I have to interact with many members of the community. And I can tell you that the people who support Reform there are ALL in lower socio-economic groups, have low education and do so solely on immigration. No matter what is talked about it always comes down to 'less foreigners will make it better'.

And to be honest I can understand that. They're wrong and are being hoodwinked, but I can understand how they get to that point. But I've not heard a single person mention a multi-faceted argument as to why Reform would improve things.
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OMG what a statement, I live amongst a very very diverse socio-economic population but as a couple we are both middle income earners with degrees of the traditional type (mathematics and optometry) so reasonable education. We are Reform card holders and whilst you continually spout supporters of Reform are just concerned/blame everything on 'foreigners' the facts are Labour had 14 years to get there act together and the polls suggest they are not performing well by large numbers that voted for them. You and other posters are quite right that there is little substance at the moment to Reforms proposals in government but the landscape and possibility of achieving some aims after another 3+ years of the current government would be based on a narrative the BBC could produce!. Immigration, welfare, public spending, speed of net zero are some area's of focus for Reform how they fare time Might tell.
In conclusion I'll end by suggesting I'm not 'FIK' I'm not that 'SKINT' I like my neighbours who just happen to be foreign nationals and I'm open to another political option.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 14, 2025
  • #58,767
ccfcno9 said:
OMG what a statement, I live amongst a very very diverse socio-economic population but as a couple we are both middle income earners with degrees of the traditional type (mathematics and optometry) so reasonable education. We are Reform card holders and whilst you continually spout supporters of Reform are just concerned/blame everything on 'foreigners' the facts are Labour had 14 years to get there act together and the polls suggest they are not performing well by large numbers that voted for them. You and other posters are quite right that there is little substance at the moment to Reforms proposals in government but the landscape and possibility of achieving some aims after another 3+ years of the current government would be based on a narrative the BBC could produce!. Immigration, welfare, public spending, speed of net zero are some area's of focus for Reform how they fare time Might tell.
In conclusion I'll end by suggesting I'm not 'FIK' I'm not that 'SKINT' I like my neighbours who just happen to be foreign nationals and I'm open to another political option.
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You’ve judged Labour on their 14 years out of power wow
 

mmttww

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  • Nov 14, 2025
  • #58,768

MP quits Corbyn's new left-wing party amid infighting

Independent MP Adnan Hussain claims there is a "toxic" culture in Your Party as he announces he is leaving it.
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going full Life of Brian now - dumb bunch of pricks.
 
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ccfcno9

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  • Nov 14, 2025
  • #58,769
Sky Blue Pete said:
You’ve judged Labour on their 14 years out of power wow
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I've judged Labour on 14 years in opposition to prepare the fully costed plans/policy's and hit the ground running, to put right some of the the failing of the previous government yet those ridiculing Reform for not having that ready yet after 16 months with just a few MP's in the commons is a bit OTT in my opinion.
6-12months before the next general election if its not available you may have a point.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 14, 2025
  • #58,770
ccfcno9 said:
I've judged Labour on 14 years in opposition to prepare the fully costed plans/policy's and hit the ground running, to put right some of the the failing of the previous government yet those ridiculing Reform for not having that ready yet after 16 months with just a few MP's in the commons is a bit OTT in my opinion.
6-12months before the next general election if its not available you may have a point.
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Nigel Farage has been around for a lot longer than 14 years.
 
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ccfcno9

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  • Nov 14, 2025
  • #58,771
fernandopartridge said:
Nigel Farage has been around for a lot longer than 14 years.
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A part on the back for that info, albeit not with as an MP with a party that might just win a general election.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Nov 14, 2025
  • #58,772
ccfcno9 said:
OMG what a statement, I live amongst a very very diverse socio-economic population but as a couple we are both middle income earners with degrees of the traditional type (mathematics and optometry) so reasonable education. We are Reform card holders and whilst you continually spout supporters of Reform are just concerned/blame everything on 'foreigners' the facts are Labour had 14 years to get there act together and the polls suggest they are not performing well by large numbers that voted for them. You and other posters are quite right that there is little substance at the moment to Reforms proposals in government but the landscape and possibility of achieving some aims after another 3+ years of the current government would be based on a narrative the BBC could produce!. Immigration, welfare, public spending, speed of net zero are some area's of focus for Reform how they fare time Might tell.
In conclusion I'll end by suggesting I'm not 'FIK' I'm not that 'SKINT' I like my neighbours who just happen to be foreign nationals and I'm open to another political option.
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I'm just telling you the facts of what I've found while working there.

I don't speak to everyone in that community and of those that I do most we've never touched on the subject of politics. Frankly I don't bring it up as its a surefire way of creating tension. But of those that choose to talk politics all the ones who say they're Reform supporters are lower income, low education.

That's not saying all lower income, low education people I've spoken to there support Reform. Many don't. It also doesn't mean there aren't any people there in higher socio-economic groups who support Reform - maybe they just don't want to reveal that they do. As I said I don't try and talk to people about politics.

As you've decided that Labour's 14 years in opposition is enough for them to get their act together and come up with a plan and implement it in a year, I will remind you that Farage spent about two decades campaigning to get us out of the EU. Is that not enough time for him to have got his act together and come up with a plan as to how to make that work, and tell people how to make it work? Nearly a decade later and we're still waiting for the benefits he said we'd have...

You're entitled to support whoever you wish, but if your hope/expectation is that Farage and Reform have some incredible plan to sort out the country, I suggest you spend the next four years preparing yourself for a huge disappointment should they win.
 
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ccfcno9

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  • Nov 14, 2025
  • #58,773
A well reasoned reply . I'm not expecting to much, obviously the wheels could fall off way before an election happens. As for Farage he had experience in the European parliament and championed Brexit with good effect. By that I mean he got it over the line. What happened next was largely the responsibility of the Tories as they were in power to negotiate terms of exit and he's had little influence to effect its potential benefits. Your also probably right that many of the higher educated members keep quiet about their support for Reform as in many work place's it is taboo and on places like this your more likely to be abused by callings us all cunts, wankers and Nazi's etc which suppresses folks thoughts and reasoning .
 
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PVA

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  • Nov 15, 2025
  • #58,774
DOGE going well down in Kent I see


 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 15, 2025
  • #58,775
PVA said:
DOGE going well down in Kent I see


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I’d be more worried by the state of the country and the clueless clowns that are in charge

Even you must admit Starmer and Reeves - in your own political analysis - are really shit aren’t they?
 
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ccfcno9

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  • Nov 15, 2025
  • #58,776
PVA said:
DOGE going well down in Kent I see


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Obviously an error here and might not be all it appears. The school had an ofsted report in march 2024 so possibly not quite accurate(Closed for ten years?). It has apparently closed now and been sold to developers so more than likely a sheduled job that should of been cancelled.https://www.halfwayhouses.kent.sch.uk/performance-dataresults/
 
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PVA

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  • Nov 15, 2025
  • #58,777
ccfcno9 said:
Obviously an error here and might not be all it appears. The school had an ofsted report in march 2024 so possibly not quite accurate(Closed for ten years?). It has apparently closed now and been sold to developers so more than likely a sheduled job that should of been cancelled.https://www.halfwayhouses.kent.sch.uk/performance-dataresults/
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The school still exists. That site was closed in 2016. So I think it probably is exactly as it appears!
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 15, 2025
  • #58,778
PVA said:
The school still exists. That site was closed in 2016. So I think it probably is exactly as it appears!
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Im more concerned about this than the reeves budget. It’s huge
 
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PVA

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  • Nov 15, 2025
  • #58,779
Grendel said:
Im more concerned about this than the reeves budget. It’s huge
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I bet you're a real hoot at parties. In fact, have you ever been to one?

But yes it will be interesting to see how she goes about trying to fix all the shit you voted for.
 
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rob9872

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  • Nov 15, 2025
  • #58,780
mmttww said:
going full Life of Brian now - dumb bunch of pricks.
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We're the 'Bunch of dumb pricks'. Splitters.
 
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ccfcno9

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  • Nov 15, 2025
  • #58,781
PVA said:
The school still exists. That site was closed in 2016. So I think it probably is exactly as it appears!
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Reeves budget gossip changes every other day, we just can't keep up! Could you confirm if the lines have been painted at any other time since it closed 10 years ago and does the 'other' site need new lines also? I'm sure someone else would be interested to know other than myself
 
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PVA

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  • Nov 15, 2025
  • #58,782
ccfcno9 said:
Reeves budget gossip changes every other day, we just can't keep up! Could you confirm if the lines have been painted at any other time since it closed 10 years ago and does the 'other' site need new lines also? I'm sure someone else would be interested to know other than myself
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I'm sure you could find the answers to all those questions if you really want to know
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 15, 2025
  • #58,783
PVA said:
I'm sure you could find the answers to all those questions if you really want to know
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Im having sleepless nights about goings on in Kent
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 15, 2025
  • #58,784
PVA said:
I bet you're a real hoot at parties. In fact, have you ever been to one?
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This did make me laugh
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 16, 2025
  • #58,785
Found this very interesting, in the area where my grandad grew up.

 

Grendel

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  • Nov 16, 2025
  • #58,786
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Found this very interesting, in the area where my grandad grew up.

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I watched the first 5 minutes. It’s pretty obvious why Reform will be popular here - it’s nothing to do with being right wing.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Nov 16, 2025
  • #58,787
Grendel said:
I watched the first 5 minutes. It’s pretty obvious why Reform will be popular here - it’s nothing to do with being right wing.
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it’s to do with being thick
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 16, 2025
  • #58,788
Ccfcisparks said:
it’s to do with being thick
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It’s to do with being abandoned
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 16, 2025
  • #58,789
Grendel said:
It’s to do with being abandoned
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It could be both
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 16, 2025
  • #58,790
Grendel said:
I watched the first 5 minutes. It’s pretty obvious why Reform will be popular here - it’s nothing to do with being right wing.
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I agree. It’s to do with being left behind and ignored for so long that a charlatan led them to blame the wrong people for their situation.
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 16, 2025
  • #58,791
Sky Blue Pete said:
It could be both
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It’s because they feel the system just doesn’t care so it can’t get any worse
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 16, 2025
  • #58,792
Grendel said:
It’s because they feel the system just doesn’t care so it can’t get any worse
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And they’re wrong
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 16, 2025
  • #58,793
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Found this very interesting, in the area where my grandad grew up.

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Beneath all the "sixth richest country in the world" stuff is the fact that the UK has most of the poorest neighbourhoods in the whole of Northern Europe, and these places have been that way for 40 years or more now.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 16, 2025
  • #58,794
Sky Blue Pete said:
And they’re wrong
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Wrong about what?
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 16, 2025
  • #58,795
Sky Blue Pete said:
And they’re wrong
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They’re right about being shafted but just wrong about who to blame for it.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 16, 2025
  • #58,796
fernandopartridge said:
Wrong about what?
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It can’t get worse
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 16, 2025
  • #58,797
Sky Blue Pete said:
It can’t get worse
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Agree that it can indeed get worse.

The problem for Labour (and the Tories) is that they don't offer any hope that'll get better.
The Chancellor seems to see her role as purely to satisfy the whims of the financial markets. She does not seem to recognise that people look round, seeing their local area in steep never ending decline; their ability to afford even the most basic "luxuries" diminishing, and a chancellor who suggests that everybody will continue to "share the burden" leads to disillusionment into nihilism.
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 16, 2025
  • #58,798
Sky Blue Pete said:
And they’re wrong
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How will it get any worse for them?
 

Johnnythespider

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  • Nov 16, 2025
  • #58,799
Grendel said:
How will it get any worse for them?
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Well Reform could take us down a private healthcare path that nobody can afford.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 16, 2025
  • #58,800
Grendel said:
How will it get any worse for them?
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Pay for healthcare
No adult social care
 
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