I see Polanski as someone who's naive but means well. The grifters running Reform are intelligent but do not mean well, they're out to enrich themselves and their mates off the back of scapegoating foreigners. Zarah Sultana and 'Your Party' are running a grift too, in the interests of balance.Interesting. See, I wouldn’t call Polanski a “snake oil selling charlatan”, his ideas are just wrong and wouldn’t benefit the country.
You know and iirc, have posted about the difficulties of running a household, just how expensive it is to rent/own a home. For the vast majority of people, the highest outgoing is easily their housing costs and there’s significant evidence that immigration has driven us up. For the best part of a decade or two, house building has not kept up with net migration.
There are other economic issues at play, QE has had the unintended impact of transferring assets to wealthy individuals/companies. Home ownership is down 5% from 10-20 years ago which is sad.
Comments like yours show just how disconnected many people on the left are in relation to understanding why people support Reform.
I’m enjoying that you’re saying this with no irony whatsoever.
If you want to continue believing Reeves is “Thatcherite”, crack on mate. I won’t break that delusion.
| 1979 – 80 | 40.9 |
| 1980 – 81 | 42.8 |
| 1981 – 82 | 42.9 |
| 1982 – 83 | 43.2 |
Once again MMT is a description of how currency creation works not a policy
To answer my own question, they haven’t anything specifically. These are policies introduced by Sunak’s government.
no one wants 100k net I don’t think they just want zero small boat crossings
If immigration outstrips housing, there’s more demand than supply of houses so prices increase. Therefore, the amount you borrow for your mortgage. The interest rates are unrelated to migration but the overall valuation of houses/rents will be.I see Polanski as someone who's naive but means well. The grifters running Reform are intelligent but do not mean well, they're out to enrich themselves and their mates off the back of scapegoating foreigners. Zarah Sultana and 'Your Party' are running a grift too, in the interests of balance.
So you think my mortgage going up by £300 a month is because of immigration? Do explain. Should I be smearing a certain kind of immigrant for this, or all of them?
I understand why people support them. I think Farage is a brilliant grifter. I'm not convinced polling data is going to show that folks like Reform because they've got well considered, funded, long term plans to resolve an endemic housing crisis and hobbled public services. I've never heard or read Farage or anyone from Reform set out serious policies on anything beyond immigration and asylum.
most important issue for many voters is immigration and Reform are the most trusted party on this issue, hence their poll lead.
I want world peace and kindness and justice for allTo answer my own question, they haven’t anything specifically. These are policies introduced by Sunak’s government.
On polling:
Do Brits think that immigration has been too high or low in the last 10 years?
Generally speaking, do you think the level of immigration into Britain over the last ten years has been too high, too low or about right?yougov.co.uk
Would you support or oppose a move to increase the number of deportations of illegal immigrants from the UK? | Daily Question - from 2024 and other polling companies reckon the public has hardened its view
- 85% of this poll back migration less than 100k.
If immigration outstrips housing, there’s more demand than supply of houses so prices increase. Therefore, the amount you borrow for your mortgage. The interest rates are unrelated to migration but the overall valuation of houses/rents will be.
Interest rates of 6-8% were relatively normal back in the 90-00s whereas now it risks a political crisis because may people borrow the maximum they can but means they have v little flexibility.
The most important issue for many voters is immigration and Reform are the most trusted party on this issue, hence their poll lead.
Labour, LD, Tory and Green are equally guilty of not really plans on how to ‘fix’ public services. For example, Polanski loves to talk about ‘taxing the rich’ but the flagship policy of a wealth tax raises £20bn at best. Let’s assume £20bn is raised, it doesn’t move the dial on public services at all because it barely covers the expected rises in welfare spending.
We can also consider the population growth rate as a whole, the encouragement of private landlords to hoard extra properties and take them out of the market for purchase, the failure to keep on top of building more houses...and so on and so on. The immigrant is a popular bogeyman, I get it, and Farage is promising a land of milk and honey if they all piss off and we pull up the drawbridge, but I just don't see immigrants as the reason why my living costs take the piss out of two hardworking people.If immigration outstrips housing, there’s more demand than supply of houses so prices increase. Therefore, the amount you borrow for your mortgage. The interest rates are unrelated to migration but the overall valuation of houses/rents will be.
Interest rates of 6-8% were relatively normal back in the 90-00s whereas now it risks a political crisis because may people borrow the maximum they can but means they have v little flexibility.
But this is usually the precursor to suggesting that we can just spend what we want.
The challenge in response being but the bond markets will charge even more for borrowing, squeezing public funds further.
The response is then we don’t need the bond markets and we can print/borrow from BoE. The challenge being if you print endless amounts it debases currency (reduces purchasing power)/can cause inflation
That was my point. I actually agree with elements of what you say on the subject. But I just don’t think certain things can be done without consequences
They are modelling themselves on Trump and Musk who have indeed gone on to stab their voters in the back while organising a huge tax heist to transfer even more wealth into even fewer hands. Sacking hundreds of thousands of government workers, cutting access to healthcare and food assistance, all while not having made a dent in the cost of living either.which is their grift!
Persuade people that foreigners are the reason life sucks so you and your mates can crack on with hoarding wealth, dodging tax and all that good stuff.
I don't want to get in to the who's worse or better vs. other parties because that's not the point. I think it's a grift, you don't, happy to debate that on its own.
which is their grift!
Persuade people that foreigners are the reason life sucks so you and your mates can crack on with hoarding wealth, dodging tax and all that good stuff.
I don't want to get in to the who's worse or better vs. other parties because that's not the point. I think it's a grift, you don't, happy to debate that on its own.
I agree with you on Polanski by the way, and I already vote Green in local elections because locally they have done a lot of good work. I did so at the last GE mostly as a protest vote in the knowledge that the Tories were going to lose heavily regardless.It really isn’t. The public have been voting for lower immigration, they got consistently got the opposite. Labour and Tories made promises and didn’t keep them. The polling @chiefdave shows you exactly where their support is coming from; disaffected Tories, ‘small c’ conservative working class voters (i.e. red wall) and Gen Zers who do not care for the established parties.
Why are the Greens surging in the polls? This Labour government doesn’t feel left wing to voters of the left. Polanski is not a grifter, he’s articulating a POV that many left leaning voters want to hear. This is exactly what happened to the Tories and Reform cannibalised their vote share, the same is happening to Labour.
It really isn’t. The public have been voting for lower immigration, they got consistently got the opposite.
That’s democracyI agree with you on Polanski by the way, and I already vote Green in local elections because locally they have done a lot of good work. I did so at the last GE mostly as a protest vote in the knowledge that the Tories were going to lose heavily regardless.
Going into the next election however it's far from straightforward. I really wouldn't want to vote for any of the parties at the moment.
We can also consider the population growth rate as a whole, the encouragement of private landlords to hoard extra properties and take them out of the market for purchase, the failure to keep on top of building more houses...and so on and so on. The immigrant is a popular bogeyman, I get it, and Farage is promising a land of milk and honey if they all piss off and we pull up the drawbridge, but I just don't see immigrants as the reason why my living costs take the piss out of two hardworking people.
I will be blunt, what's on the horizon with childcare costs is our biggest concern and that isn't to do with immigration, but a 'free working childcare' arrangement that punishes postgraduate parents like myself. It means that to qualify for access we can either get divorced or I can go on the dole, but if I continue doing STEM research we get nothing. There are others in the same situation and whoever designed the policy just didn't consider this possibility. It could be fixed with the stroke of a pen at a very minor additional cost.
Immigrants are nothing to do with that.
I agree with you on Polanski by the way, and I already vote Green in local elections because locally they have done a lot of good work. I did so at the last GE mostly as a protest vote in the knowledge that the Tories were going to lose heavily regardless.
Going into the next election however it's far from straightforward. I really wouldn't want to vote for any of the parties at the moment.
Going into the next election however it's far from straightforward. I really wouldn't want to vote for any of the parties at the moment.
Houses are being built, just at a slower rate than net migration. Likewise, more arrivals require more hospitals, roads, schools and so on. That’s a v basic principle that the electorate understands. Far from being a myth, it’s a reality that resonates with the majority of voters. The failure to grasp this has lead to a massive realignment across Europe that hitherto, had been avoided in the UK.I'm not talking about that. I accept people want immigration tackled. I don't accept it's the reason why food costs loads more, houses don't get built and that public services are underfunded. Reform's msg, largely through vibes, is that life will magically be better if there's less immigration and asylum seekers. I think they've ridden that myth this far and it's worked for them. It's a grift, because this narrative they stoke and perpetuate is total b*ll*cks.
Well for starters, each house can accommodate more than one person...but yes in general it's a simple fact that if the population grows you'll need more housing to support them. As an interesting side point, there's about 100,000 divorces a year which will also presumably add to the demand for housing unless people try living together afterwards. Not an inconsiderable number of people also looking for places to stay.If you build 200k houses a year and net migration is 350k and above… where are these new arrivals being housed? Again, all housebuilding targets are premised on net migration being 300k and simultaneously, not meeting housing targets and net migration significantly higher than 300k per annum.
Even on point of landlords, QE has created the conditions where companies and individuals can multiply their assets… but this doesn’t explain why prices have exploded to the extent they have. Housing is a resource that is competed for and if it’s scarce, prices will invariably increase. In economic terms, demand far exceeds the supply.
The Greens have got a significant advantages over Reform because it has a decent tradition of local campaigning, like the Lib Dems but less mature operationally.
Similar reasons to you, I voted Tory at the last election because on a fundamental level, did not trust Reform as an amateur party. If an election was held tomorrow, I’d vote Reform to kick out Labour. I’m in a minority who like Kemi Badenoch but not so much the institution of the Tory Party.
I wouldn’t quite call Labour and Tory the ‘Uniparty’ but can definitely identify with the idea that between them, they haven’t meaningfully moved on from “Blairism”. Wes Streeting is the epitome of this right now, probably an ideal Labour leader in the 2010s.
It’s too early to call, but if both Tory and Labour carry on, they will be surpassed by Reform and the Greens respectively.
I see the odious Wes Streeting clearly lining himself up to challenge Starmer and I feel disgusted. This Labour government really could have done transformative things that would have seen off the Reform threat and turned the country around. Instead it's doing the political equivalent of pissing about at the back, giving the ball away to NF9 and watching him score open goals.Yeah, feeling the exact same and it feels really bleak.
Far from being a myth, it’s a reality that resonates with the majority of voters.
I see the odious Wes Streeting clearly lining himself up to challenge Starmer and I feel disgusted. This Labour government really could have done transformative things that would have seen off the Reform threat and turned the country around. Instead it's doing the political equivalent of pissing about at the back, giving the ball away to NF9 and watching him score open goals.
Whats streeting done?Yeah, bang on. Absolutely gutted at the state of it.
There is a lack of consumer and business demand which is backed up by the rate of company insolvency. Investment in the UK is the worst in the G7, and is now even lower than Italy. Nothing from Reeves seems to want to do anything meaningful about this.
Whats streeting done?
Don't believe him for a momentWhats streeting done?
In fairness to Streeting, No. 10 has kicked off the briefings war and has been hostile to many cabinet ministers.Don't believe him for a moment
Streeting denies plotting against PM after leadership claims
Wes Streeting has urged Sir Keir Starmer to sack whoever is briefing the media about challenges to the PM's leadership.www.bbc.co.uk
He's about as slimy as it comes.In fairness to Streeting, No. 10 has kicked off the briefings war and has been hostile to many cabinet ministers.
Interesting overview from Peston
It sounds a bit like some of the posts I made a long time agoInteresting article
Starmer’s backers never meant him to be prime minister – his leadership was doomed from the start | Neal Lawson
His alliance with the party’s anti-Corbyn faction was a shotgun marriage that totally lacked vision. Now Labour is paying the price, says Neal Lawson of the cross-party campaign organisation Compasswww.theguardian.com
It sounds a bit like some of the posts I made a long time ago
Agree with a lot of it to be fair and reminds me of how a bumbling bald-headed scout ended up taking this club into League 1Interesting article
Starmer’s backers never meant him to be prime minister – his leadership was doomed from the start | Neal Lawson
His alliance with the party’s anti-Corbyn faction was a shotgun marriage that totally lacked vision. Now Labour is paying the price, says Neal Lawson of the cross-party campaign organisation Compasswww.theguardian.com
Agree with a lot of it to be fair and reminds me of how a bumbling bald-headed scout ended up taking this club into League 1
At this point, I’d rather a government lowers/abolishes the personal allowance rather than increase income tax. It’s been a de facto tax rise for years no, practiced by both Tory and Labour.If she actually lowers personal allowances and then tries to claim she’s kept her promises she really is a fucking idiot
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