Sick Boy
Super Moderator
The main problems will begin when they come to realise that they’re no better if not worse off under a Reform government…what happens then?
The main problems will begin when they come to realise that they’re no better if not worse off under a Reform government…what happens then?Can't argue with too much of that. I think so many people right now would quite happily not vote for anyone if they could. What are essentially supposed to be some of the most intelligent people in the country who act as politicians are just beyond useless and it is like a disease of incompetence.
It's also why I maintain however, that all of this 'everyone voting reform is racist' is just nonsense. A large part of it is a protest vote. The more they get antagonised, the more they're just going to do it. For a variety of reasons so many people in the UK are at breaking point and there are some that cannot understand that the only way they feel they can be heard is to join what is essentially a strange sort of rebellion. You can certainly argue with the what, but the why is clear for me.
Well I mean it’s true, if he can’t get them sorted how is he gonna run our country? A small matter like that isn’t difficult, probably take 1/2 trips. You’re a twatTaking the piss out of someone’s teeth and what they look like
You’re a twat
Oh yeah because you’d definitely know that without them even being in power?The main problems will begin when they come to realise that they’re no better if not worse off under a Reform government…what happens then?
The main problems will begin when they come to realise that they’re no better if not worse off under a Reform government…what happens then?
I don't personally dislike people with opposing political views just on that basis. If I feel that we both care about the country and have opposing ideas on what will make it better, we can have an interesting and well intentioned conversation about it. We'll probably still disagree at the end of it but we'll understand the other viewpoint better and that creates a healthier dialogue.I think my point is I'm never going to agree with your politics and you mine and that position hasn't changed for some years. If we kept going over that regularly we'd probably grow to dislike each other but ultimately I think you are one of the better characters on the forum. I actually think you put your point across more respectfully than many too I must say.
I'd like to think you and Dom could have a pint together but please don't do it without me witnessing it.
Others may have said that, don't think I have. My view for some time has been that people have been screwed over, realised it, and are angry about it. They want solutions and they want things to get much better and the mainstream parties have failed to offer it for several decades now, so the right wing populists have got in and exploited the opportunity. I still personally think that the cost of living with the double whammy of shit wages and high prices is the biggest issue that needs tackling and I want parties to take it seriously.Can't argue with too much of that. I think so many people right now would quite happily not vote for anyone if they could. What are essentially supposed to be some of the most intelligent people in the country who act as politicians are just beyond useless and it is like a disease of incompetence.
It's also why I maintain however, that all of this 'everyone voting reform is racist' is just nonsense. A large part of it is a protest vote. The more they get antagonised, the more they're just going to do it. For a variety of reasons so many people in the UK are at breaking point and there are some that cannot understand that the only way they feel they can be heard is to join what is essentially a strange sort of rebellion. You can certainly argue with the what, but the why is clear for me.
I don't personally dislike people with opposing political views just on that basis. If I feel that we both care about the country and have opposing ideas on what will make it better, we can have an interesting and well intentioned conversation about it. We'll probably still disagree at the end of it but we'll understand the other viewpoint better and that creates a healthier dialogue.
The people I have no time for are those who jump to personal insults and/or assume that I just don't care about the country or actually want to undermine it. If we can't even establish that the other side's views are sincere, there's no point.
Others may have said that, don't think I have. My view for some time has been that people have been screwed over, realised it, and are angry about it. They want solutions and they want things to get much better and the mainstream parties have failed to offer it for several decades now, so the right wing populists have got in and exploited the opportunity. I still personally think that the cost of living with the double whammy of shit wages and high prices is the biggest issue that needs tackling and I want parties to take it seriously.
You could ban all net immigration tomorrow and I don't think things would improve anywhere near as much as if you dealt with that instead. Obviously free to disagree, it's just what I think.
To be fair there’s only one keyboard warrior who has nothing to offer apart from dishing out insults. Most are relatively respectful.I don't personally dislike people with opposing political views just on that basis. If I feel that we both care about the country and have opposing ideas on what will make it better, we can have an interesting and well intentioned conversation about it. We'll probably still disagree at the end of it but we'll understand the other viewpoint better and that creates a healthier dialogue.
The people I have no time for are those who jump to personal insults and/or assume that I just don't care about the country or actually want to undermine it. If we can't even establish that the other side's views are sincere, there's no point.
Others may have said that, don't think I have. My view for some time has been that people have been screwed over, realised it, and are angry about it. They want solutions and they want things to get much better and the mainstream parties have failed to offer it for several decades now, so the right wing populists have got in and exploited the opportunity. I still personally think that the cost of living with the double whammy of shit wages and high prices is the biggest issue that needs tackling and I want parties to take it seriously.
You could ban all net immigration tomorrow and I don't think things would improve anywhere near as much as if you dealt with that instead. Obviously free to disagree, it's just what I think.
I will say though, that any genuine racists will be more drawn to Reform than any of the other parties. Don’t think that’s especially controversial if you look at the alternatives.No, that's fine. I think it is both things simultaneously really. Immigration is vastly out of control, it doesn't mean it needs to be zero, but it needs some sensible reform (terrible use of word I know). Equally, shit wages and cost of living is so bad, as is management of public services.
The whole country feels extremely depressed to me, and we've been run by complete morons for too long, with no real sight of anything better coming in the future. Hence, in my view, what is a protest as no one has any hope.
Got about 5 on ignore at the moment which isn’t bad going for a forum of this size.To be fair there’s only one keyboard warrior who has nothing to offer apart from dishing out insults. Most are relatively respectful.
I could imagine them bringing in some kind of law to stop dual citizenship for British citizens.I will say though, that any genuine racists will be more drawn to Reform than any of the other parties. Don’t think that’s especially controversial if you look at the alternatives.
Their rise in popularity has got friends of mine with dual nationality very worried about being deported. That’s not something they’ve ever been concerned about previously.
As I’ve said before, one of my best friends is dual British-Iranian. His family fled Iran in the wake of the revolution and wouldn’t be safe if forced to go back.I could imagine them bringing in some kind of law to stop dual citizenship for British citizens.
You probably believe only those with blue eyes and blond hair should be allowed to liveWell I mean it’s true, if he can’t get them sorted how is he gonna run our country? A small matter like that isn’t difficult, probably take 1/2 trips. You’re a twat
It’s what matters to the vacuous.Taking the piss out of someone’s teeth and what they look like
You’re a twat
In that circumstance I’d be pretty much forced to give up mine but would luckily still have the same rights as I do now.As I’ve said before, one of my best friends is dual British-Iranian. His family fled Iran in the wake of the revolution and wouldn’t be safe if forced to go back.
Christ almighty how embarrassing
It is weird how people act offended but are then all over it as soon as it's somebody on the opposite side to their politics.Don't take the piss out of teeth ... also look at this blokes teeth who isnt a politician.
The levels of double standards in this echo chamber are scary.
Pete you're even the one telling Dom not to do it and have then liked Dave's post!!
Best option seems to be outside the country, for most its not feasible. Its a sad state of affairs.I honestly don't think most people are thinking that far ahead. It's just a case of 'let's make a stand' now, and at any cost. Like, maybe if we go for a more hardcore option, the mainstream parties will take note and have to up their game.
I actually don't see it being better under Reform, or the mainstream parties upping their game either. It feels pretty tragic at the moment.
Good post BSB. I'm with you that if there was an election tomorrow for the first time in my life I probably wouldn't vote and there's an increasing number of people who feel that way.I wouldn’t vote for any of them and am considered left wing on here. Sultana and Corbyn are people I washed my hands of some time ago, they’ve put their own egos above the causes they claim to care about. I also wouldn’t vote for Labour/Tories/Lib Dem either at this point in time. So I’d actually probably just not vote if an election were tomorrow.
Some of these parties recognise that people have been massively screwed over but have proposed (in my view) the completely wrong solutions and scapegoats. Others have the means to provide (again, in my view) the right answers but aren’t interested and others still both don’t recognise the problem and don’t have the gumption to tackle them anyway.
Looking at the polls and the general feeling I get out and about, I’m not stupid and can see I’m in the minority of opinion on what will improve the country and what won’t. It’s a pity as I think that strong centre left governments will do the most for a country like ours, but we haven’t had one for a good 25 years. Next to get in will be a party that in my opinion will make things much worse and I’m far from talking about just their immigration policies.
It’s a shitshow. Ignoring their independence policies the SNP are probably the closest in agreement to what I want to see overall. Perhaps we’d move back up there if push came to shove.
Its not that deep.Don't take the piss out of teeth ... also look at this blokes teeth who isnt a politician.
The levels of double standards in this echo chamber are scary.
Pete you're even the one telling Dom not to do it and have then liked Dave's post!!
I've missed this, what is this all about?It's like people going all in over that transgender reform person
Yeah I wouldn’t move back now…one of the best decisions I made.Best option seems to be outside the country, for most it’s not feasible. It’s a sad state of affairs
It was a parody account.I've missed this, what is this all about?
Ffs on this very page you've got Pete calling Dom a twat for posting about teeth and then liking a photo you've put up about teeth. Nothing to do with who's teeth or what party, I don't care. I do care about hypocrisy though and I'll continue to call it out.Its not that deep.
I don't really think the quality of your dental care, or health in general, relates to how good or bad you may potentially be at running a party or your country.
But I also don't think Clarkson, who seems to be planning to run for parliament, is really in a strong position to be criticising others peoples teeth.
I regret not moving abroad when I had the chance tbh. People I know who took the option have a far better quality of life than I do staying here.Best option seems to be outside the country, for most its not feasible. Its a sad state of affairs.
Hypocrisy is people that invested in politics in a nutshell.Ffs on this very page you've got Pete calling Dom a twat for posting about teeth and then liking a photo you've put up about teeth. Nothing to do with who's teeth or what party, I don't care. I do care about hypocrisy though and I'll continue to call it out.
It's not that deep!
I regret not moving abroad when I had the chance tbh. People I know who took the option have a far better quality of life than I do staying here.
Even now, in my 50s, if I wasn't an only child with two elderly parents to care for I'd be looking at going elsewhere.
And this will increasingly be a problem. Those that can get out will, in increasing numbers. See it already with friends kids. They leave uni, fire in hundreds of job applications getting nowhere. Not long before they've lost hope and decide there's better options elsewhere.
yep. i need to make the jump. I think once some of my older family pass i’ll do it.Yeah I wouldn’t move back now…one of the best decisions I made.
Nope I was laughing not judging someone based on what they loon likeDon't take the piss out of teeth ... also look at this blokes teeth who isnt a politician.
The levels of double standards in this echo chamber are scary.
Pete you're even the one telling Dom not to do it and have then liked Dave's post!!
Clarkson is intending to runDon't take the piss out of teeth ... also look at this blokes teeth who isnt a politician.
The levels of double standards in this echo chamber are scary.
Pete you're even the one telling Dom not to do it and have then liked Dave's post!!
What for not agreeing for who they will vote for? Good attempt though ‘mmttww’ very odd behaviourTaking aim at people's f*cking kids now? Scumbag.
They are mate, we seriously need to evaluate our definition of enemies/friends,if that much ain't obvious then the media and security services are a) asleep on the job or be complicit.I know you enjoy trolling on here but it's why it's barely worth engaging. Most on here think Reform are an extreme party but the likes of Polanski and Sultana are totally normal. There's not a lot you can do with that really. It's just better we know where we all stand and crack on talking about football.
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