Do you want to discuss boring politics? (38 Viewers)

[Sick Boy]

Can't argue with too much of that. I think so many people right now would quite happily not vote for anyone if they could. What are essentially supposed to be some of the most intelligent people in the country who act as politicians are just beyond useless and it is like a disease of incompetence.

It's also why I maintain however, that all of this 'everyone voting reform is racist' is just nonsense. A large part of it is a protest vote. The more they get antagonised, the more they're just going to do it. For a variety of reasons so many people in the UK are at breaking point and there are some that cannot understand that the only way they feel they can be heard is to join what is essentially a strange sort of rebellion. You can certainly argue with the what, but the why is clear for me.

The main problems will begin when they come to realise that they’re no better if not worse off under a Reform government…what happens then?

 

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[SkyBlueDom26]

Taking the piss out of someone’s teeth and what they look like
You’re a twat

Well I mean it’s true, if he can’t get them sorted how is he gonna run our country? A small matter like that isn’t difficult, probably take 1/2 trips. You’re a twat

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

The main problems will begin when they come to realise that they’re no better if not worse off under a Reform government…what happens then?

Oh yeah because you’d definitely know that without them even being in power?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

The main problems will begin when they come to realise that they’re no better if not worse off under a Reform government…what happens then?

I honestly don't think most people are thinking that far ahead. It's just a case of 'let's make a stand' now, and at any cost. Like, maybe if we go for a more hardcore option, the mainstream parties will take note and have to up their game.

I actually don't see it being better under Reform, or the mainstream parties upping their game either. It feels pretty tragic at the moment.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I think my point is I'm never going to agree with your politics and you mine and that position hasn't changed for some years. If we kept going over that regularly we'd probably grow to dislike each other but ultimately I think you are one of the better characters on the forum. I actually think you put your point across more respectfully than many too I must say.
I'd like to think you and Dom could have a pint together but please don't do it without me witnessing it.

I don't personally dislike people with opposing political views just on that basis. If I feel that we both care about the country and have opposing ideas on what will make it better, we can have an interesting and well intentioned conversation about it. We'll probably still disagree at the end of it but we'll understand the other viewpoint better and that creates a healthier dialogue.

The people I have no time for are those who jump to personal insults and/or assume that I just don't care about the country or actually want to undermine it. If we can't even establish that the other side's views are sincere, there's no point.

Can't argue with too much of that. I think so many people right now would quite happily not vote for anyone if they could. What are essentially supposed to be some of the most intelligent people in the country who act as politicians are just beyond useless and it is like a disease of incompetence.

It's also why I maintain however, that all of this 'everyone voting reform is racist' is just nonsense. A large part of it is a protest vote. The more they get antagonised, the more they're just going to do it. For a variety of reasons so many people in the UK are at breaking point and there are some that cannot understand that the only way they feel they can be heard is to join what is essentially a strange sort of rebellion. You can certainly argue with the what, but the why is clear for me.

Others may have said that, don't think I have. My view for some time has been that people have been screwed over, realised it, and are angry about it. They want solutions and they want things to get much better and the mainstream parties have failed to offer it for several decades now, so the right wing populists have got in and exploited the opportunity. I still personally think that the cost of living with the double whammy of shit wages and high prices is the biggest issue that needs tackling and I want parties to take it seriously.

You could ban all net immigration tomorrow and I don't think things would improve anywhere near as much as if you dealt with that instead. Obviously free to disagree, it's just what I think.

 

[SBT]

I think it’s hard to overstate the power of anti-incumbency in general in modern politics. Case in point, the guy in this thread who insisted that Reform had better policies than anyone else, then when asked about which policies replied with “I dunno”.

In a world where people are more plugged in to political debate than ever, but are further and further removed from the actual decision makers, it’s inevitable that people will vote for whichever party that promises to come in and do something, especially if someone you don’t like gets poked in the eye in the process.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I don't personally dislike people with opposing political views just on that basis. If I feel that we both care about the country and have opposing ideas on what will make it better, we can have an interesting and well intentioned conversation about it. We'll probably still disagree at the end of it but we'll understand the other viewpoint better and that creates a healthier dialogue.

The people I have no time for are those who jump to personal insults and/or assume that I just don't care about the country or actually want to undermine it. If we can't even establish that the other side's views are sincere, there's no point.

Others may have said that, don't think I have. My view for some time has been that people have been screwed over, realised it, and are angry about it. They want solutions and they want things to get much better and the mainstream parties have failed to offer it for several decades now, so the right wing populists have got in and exploited the opportunity. I still personally think that the cost of living with the double whammy of shit wages and high prices is the biggest issue that needs tackling and I want parties to take it seriously.

You could ban all net immigration tomorrow and I don't think things would improve anywhere near as much as if you dealt with that instead. Obviously free to disagree, it's just what I think.

No, that's fine. I think it is both things simultaneously really. Immigration is vastly out of control, it doesn't mean it needs to be zero, but it needs some sensible reform (terrible use of word I know). Equally, shit wages and cost of living is so bad, as is management of public services.

The whole country feels extremely depressed to me, and we've been run by complete morons for too long, with no real sight of anything better coming in the future. Hence, in my view, what is a protest as no one has any hope.

 

[Sick Boy]

I don't personally dislike people with opposing political views just on that basis. If I feel that we both care about the country and have opposing ideas on what will make it better, we can have an interesting and well intentioned conversation about it. We'll probably still disagree at the end of it but we'll understand the other viewpoint better and that creates a healthier dialogue.

The people I have no time for are those who jump to personal insults and/or assume that I just don't care about the country or actually want to undermine it. If we can't even establish that the other side's views are sincere, there's no point.

Others may have said that, don't think I have. My view for some time has been that people have been screwed over, realised it, and are angry about it. They want solutions and they want things to get much better and the mainstream parties have failed to offer it for several decades now, so the right wing populists have got in and exploited the opportunity. I still personally think that the cost of living with the double whammy of shit wages and high prices is the biggest issue that needs tackling and I want parties to take it seriously.

You could ban all net immigration tomorrow and I don't think things would improve anywhere near as much as if you dealt with that instead. Obviously free to disagree, it's just what I think.

To be fair there’s only one keyboard warrior who has nothing to offer apart from dishing out insults. Most are relatively respectful.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

No, that's fine. I think it is both things simultaneously really. Immigration is vastly out of control, it doesn't mean it needs to be zero, but it needs some sensible reform (terrible use of word I know). Equally, shit wages and cost of living is so bad, as is management of public services.

The whole country feels extremely depressed to me, and we've been run by complete morons for too long, with no real sight of anything better coming in the future. Hence, in my view, what is a protest as no one has any hope.

I will say though, that any genuine racists will be more drawn to Reform than any of the other parties. Don’t think that’s especially controversial if you look at the alternatives.

Their rise in popularity has got friends of mine with dual nationality very worried about being deported. That’s not something they’ve ever been concerned about previously.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

To be fair there’s only one keyboard warrior who has nothing to offer apart from dishing out insults. Most are relatively respectful.

Got about 5 on ignore at the moment which isn’t bad going for a forum of this size.

 

[Sick Boy]

I will say though, that any genuine racists will be more drawn to Reform than any of the other parties. Don’t think that’s especially controversial if you look at the alternatives.

Their rise in popularity has got friends of mine with dual nationality very worried about being deported. That’s not something they’ve ever been concerned about previously.

I could imagine them bringing in some kind of law to stop dual citizenship for British citizens.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I could imagine them bringing in some kind of law to stop dual citizenship for British citizens.

As I’ve said before, one of my best friends is dual British-Iranian. His family fled Iran in the wake of the revolution and wouldn’t be safe if forced to go back.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Well I mean it’s true, if he can’t get them sorted how is he gonna run our country? A small matter like that isn’t difficult, probably take 1/2 trips. You’re a twat

You probably believe only those with blue eyes and blond hair should be allowed to live
Dick

 

[Sick Boy]

Taking the piss out of someone’s teeth and what they look like
You’re a twat

It’s what matters to the vacuous.

 

[Sick Boy]

As I’ve said before, one of my best friends is dual British-Iranian. His family fled Iran in the wake of the revolution and wouldn’t be safe if forced to go back.

In that circumstance I’d be pretty much forced to give up mine but would luckily still have the same rights as I do now.

 

[mmttww]

Christ almighty how embarrassing

Taking aim at people's f*cking kids now? Scumbag.

 

[chiefdave]

Well I mean it’s true, if he can’t get them sorted how is he gonna run our country? A small matter like that isn’t difficult, probably take 1/2 trips. You’re a twat

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

@SkyBlueDom26 can you explain love god and love your neighbours as yourself in the context of your hatred of immigration

 

[rob9872]

Don't take the piss out of teeth ... also look at this blokes teeth who isnt a politician.

The levels of double standards in this echo chamber are scary.

Pete you're even the one telling Dom not to do it and have then liked Dave's post!!

 

[Nick]

Don't take the piss out of teeth ... also look at this blokes teeth who isnt a politician.

The levels of double standards in this echo chamber are scary.

Pete you're even the one telling Dom not to do it and have then liked Dave's post!!

It is weird how people act offended but are then all over it as soon as it's somebody on the opposite side to their politics.

It's like people going all in over that transgender reform person, guarantee if they weren't reform they would be acting like their world was ending with outrage.

They can't even see they do it.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

I honestly don't think most people are thinking that far ahead. It's just a case of 'let's make a stand' now, and at any cost. Like, maybe if we go for a more hardcore option, the mainstream parties will take note and have to up their game.

I actually don't see it being better under Reform, or the mainstream parties upping their game either. It feels pretty tragic at the moment.

Best option seems to be outside the country, for most its not feasible. Its a sad state of affairs.

 

[chiefdave]

I wouldn’t vote for any of them and am considered left wing on here. Sultana and Corbyn are people I washed my hands of some time ago, they’ve put their own egos above the causes they claim to care about. I also wouldn’t vote for Labour/Tories/Lib Dem either at this point in time. So I’d actually probably just not vote if an election were tomorrow.

Some of these parties recognise that people have been massively screwed over but have proposed (in my view) the completely wrong solutions and scapegoats. Others have the means to provide (again, in my view) the right answers but aren’t interested and others still both don’t recognise the problem and don’t have the gumption to tackle them anyway.

Looking at the polls and the general feeling I get out and about, I’m not stupid and can see I’m in the minority of opinion on what will improve the country and what won’t. It’s a pity as I think that strong centre left governments will do the most for a country like ours, but we haven’t had one for a good 25 years. Next to get in will be a party that in my opinion will make things much worse and I’m far from talking about just their immigration policies.

It’s a shitshow. Ignoring their independence policies the SNP are probably the closest in agreement to what I want to see overall. Perhaps we’d move back up there if push came to shove.

Good post BSB. I'm with you that if there was an election tomorrow for the first time in my life I probably wouldn't vote and there's an increasing number of people who feel that way.

A lot of people have lost hope. Some are being guided to believe that is all the fault of 'boat people', others believe the huge sure in inequality is a major factor. IMO we'd be far better off if the left and right were given equal airtime and things were debated properly but the absolute panic when anyone on the left shows any signs of making gains is almost comical. We see it on here but more importantly we see it across the media. Look at the breakdown of guest appearances on things like Question Time or doing the Sunday rounds. When people are only being fed one side of the argument it shouldn't be a surprise when that side of the argument gains popularity.

Having said that it's hard to really get a handle on how popular Reform are. We see the polls and there was talk of them sweeping the board on 'Super Thursday' and winning all 10 seats, in the end they won 1, Copdock & Washbrook, the majority of the others they were nowhere close.

At the same time Polanski seems to have given the Greens a huge boost. Now have higher membership than the Conservatives, which of course doesn't really translate to election results, but have also polled ahead of Labour for the first time, albeit within the margin of error. Just indicates to me that there's a large group of people on the left feeling the same as those on the right, that no current 'big' party represents them or their views.

 

[chiefdave]

Don't take the piss out of teeth ... also look at this blokes teeth who isnt a politician.

The levels of double standards in this echo chamber are scary.

Pete you're even the one telling Dom not to do it and have then liked Dave's post!!

Its not that deep.

I don't really think the quality of your dental care, or health in general, relates to how good or bad you may potentially be at running a party or your country.

But I also don't think Clarkson, who seems to be planning to run for parliament, is really in a strong position to be criticising others peoples teeth.

 

[chiefdave]

It's like people going all in over that transgender reform person

I've missed this, what is this all about?

 

[Sick Boy]

Best option seems to be outside the country, for most it’s not feasible. It’s a sad state of affairs

Yeah I wouldn’t move back now…one of the best decisions I made.

 

[Sick Boy]

I've missed this, what is this all about?

It was a parody account.

 

[rob9872]

Its not that deep.

I don't really think the quality of your dental care, or health in general, relates to how good or bad you may potentially be at running a party or your country.

But I also don't think Clarkson, who seems to be planning to run for parliament, is really in a strong position to be criticising others peoples teeth.

Ffs on this very page you've got Pete calling Dom a twat for posting about teeth and then liking a photo you've put up about teeth. Nothing to do with who's teeth or what party, I don't care. I do care about hypocrisy though and I'll continue to call it out.

It's not that deep!

 

[chiefdave]

Best option seems to be outside the country, for most its not feasible. Its a sad state of affairs.

I regret not moving abroad when I had the chance tbh. People I know who took the option have a far better quality of life than I do staying here.

Even now, in my 50s, if I wasn't an only child with two elderly parents to care for I'd be looking at going elsewhere.

And this will increasingly be a problem. Those that can get out will, in increasing numbers. See it already with friends kids. They leave uni, fire in hundreds of job applications getting nowhere. Not long before they've lost hope and decide there's better options elsewhere.

 

[Nick]

Ffs on this very page you've got Pete calling Dom a twat for posting about teeth and then liking a photo you've put up about teeth. Nothing to do with who's teeth or what party, I don't care. I do care about hypocrisy though and I'll continue to call it out.

It's not that deep!

Hypocrisy is people that invested in politics in a nutshell.

 

[Grendel]

I regret not moving abroad when I had the chance tbh. People I know who took the option have a far better quality of life than I do staying here.

Even now, in my 50s, if I wasn't an only child with two elderly parents to care for I'd be looking at going elsewhere.

And this will increasingly be a problem. Those that can get out will, in increasing numbers. See it already with friends kids. They leave uni, fire in hundreds of job applications getting nowhere. Not long before they've lost hope and decide there's better options elsewhere.

What a load of nonsense

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Yeah I wouldn’t move back now…one of the best decisions I made.

yep. i need to make the jump. I think once some of my older family pass i’ll do it.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Don't take the piss out of teeth ... also look at this blokes teeth who isnt a politician.

The levels of double standards in this echo chamber are scary.

Pete you're even the one telling Dom not to do it and have then liked Dave's post!!

Nope I was laughing not judging someone based on what they loon like

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Don't take the piss out of teeth ... also look at this blokes teeth who isnt a politician.

The levels of double standards in this echo chamber are scary.

Pete you're even the one telling Dom not to do it and have then liked Dave's post!!

Clarkson is intending to run

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Taking aim at people's f*cking kids now? Scumbag.

What for not agreeing for who they will vote for? Good attempt though ‘mmttww’ very odd behaviour

 

[wingy]

I know you enjoy trolling on here but it's why it's barely worth engaging. Most on here think Reform are an extreme party but the likes of Polanski and Sultana are totally normal. There's not a lot you can do with that really. It's just better we know where we all stand and crack on talking about football.

They are mate, we seriously need to evaluate our definition of enemies/friends,if that much ain't obvious then the media and security services are a) asleep on the job or be complicit.