Interesting comments from Sir Trevor Phillips:
- ‘mostly normal people you’d see in country pubs or HT at a football match’
- hooliganism on the fringes
- Tommy Robinson more capable of pulling in a crowd the size of Blackpool/Cambridge than Starmer or Badenoch
- People are sending a message to Westminster
The rehabilitation of Tommy Robinson’s image is entirely the Labour/Tory establishments fault.
Aren't they just our version of the proud boy's?Robinson’s party, whatever it’s called, will struggle to get more than a couple hundred thousand votes. Even Farage is vilified by them.
Anyway a quick 1 day jolly into the politics thread and called racist in record time
Never fucking changes does it. Utter drivel.
100%.Issue is people being driven towards him because there's literally nobody else "representing" their concerns.
While you have people like shmmeee just with fingers in their ears shouting racist over and over without leaving the house.
One of the most disturbing responses to Charlie Kirk’s assassination was many people would performatively say ‘RIP - terrible news’ but then list all the terrible things he said. In fact, a lot of things people have quoted are devoid of context. Even Alistair Campbell on his public said Kirk said ‘Gays should be stoned to death’ which was shut down by prominent gay conservatives such as Andrew Doyle and Dave Rubin.What has been apparent in the last few days on this board, is that most people who claim to know a lot about politics, actually are incredibly ignorant about the world and have proved as such.
Almost none of the regular posters had ever heard of Charlie Kirk, which is staggering considering how incredibly famous he is in the world of politics. It just proves how much of an echo chamber many are living in.
Even after the news broke of his death, some were still clawing at things he supposedly said, and despite pretending to have a bit of sympathy, were still looking at angles to try and insinuate he deserved it, whilst being careful to not actually say the words. A few leftist celebrities have been destroyed on twitter for doing similair things, and for getting their facts completely wrong.
This protest is another example. The media are trying their hardest to knock it down, and a few people on here are desperately trying to swallow it and dismantle it - but they're failing. Hence the scale up in calling everyone a racist.
Like with the shooting of Charlie Kirk, the desperate media smear campaigns, and these insults, what has become clear is that the left are losing badly at the moment and this is all desperate behaviour.
Thankfully it looks like more and more people are seeing through it.
Course conservatives would and have and do alwaysOne of the most disturbing responses to Charlie Kirk’s assassination was many people would performatively say ‘RIP - terrible news’ but then list all the terrible things he said. In fact, a lot of things people have quoted are devoid of context. Even Alistair Campbell on his public said Kirk said ‘Gays should be stoned to death’ which was shut down by prominent gay conservatives such as Andrew Doyle and Dave Rubin.
In any case, it’s toxic to list all the bad things your opponent said before their corpse has gone cold. I don’t think conservatives would do the same if a prominent left activist was gunned down on campus.
Even The Guardian felt it was appropriate to mention Kobe Bryant was accused of rape when reporting on his death.
Can you just ban him already for using the N word a few weeks ago, the forum would be so much better without that hateful sad c**t calling everyone racist. It would actually do him some good, he might even leave his bedsit if he’s banned off here @shmmeeeIssue is people being driven towards him because there's literally nobody else "representing" their concerns.
While you have people like shmmeee just with fingers in their ears shouting racist over and over without leaving the house.
They’re public figures - why should their opinions and actions be omitted when reporting on their deaths? Or is it a strict hagiographies-only policy if someone dies suddenly?In any case, it’s toxic to list all the bad things your opponent said before their corpse has gone cold. I don’t think conservatives would do the same if a prominent left activist was gunned down on campus.
Even The Guardian felt it was appropriate to mention Kobe Bryant was accused of rape when reporting on his death.
Which is why I think it’s largely unhelpful to brand hundreds of thousands of people as racist, when I’d prefer to reserve it for the ringleaders and the real headcases.
Look at what was written after the Democrats in Minnesota were killed if you wish to go down that road.One of the most disturbing responses to Charlie Kirk’s assassination was many people would performatively say ‘RIP - terrible news’ but then list all the terrible things he said. In fact, a lot of things people have quoted are devoid of context. Even Alistair Campbell on his public said Kirk said ‘Gays should be stoned to death’ which was shut down by prominent gay conservatives such as Andrew Doyle and Dave Rubin.
In any case, it’s toxic to list all the bad things your opponent said before their corpse has gone cold. I don’t think conservatives would do the same if a prominent left activist was gunned down on campus.
Even The Guardian felt it was appropriate to mention Kobe Bryant was accused of rape when reporting on his death.
Was there a thread about that on here ?Look at what was written after the Democrats in Minnesota were killed if you wish to go down that road.
I don’t think so.Was there a thread about that on here ?
He’s incredibly famous in the world of American politics. Some of us aren’t as US-centric.What has been apparent in the last few days on this board, is that most people who claim to know a lot about politics, actually are incredibly ignorant about the world and have proved as such.
Almost none of the regular posters had ever heard of Charlie Kirk, which is staggering considering how incredibly famous he is in the world of politics. It just proves how much of an echo chamber many are living in.
Even after the news broke of his death, some were still clawing at things he supposedly said, and despite pretending to have a bit of sympathy, were still looking at angles to try and insinuate he deserved it, whilst being careful to not actually say the words. A few leftist celebrities have been destroyed on twitter for doing similair things, and for getting their facts completely wrong.
This protest is another example. The media are trying their hardest to knock it down, and a few people on here are desperately trying to swallow it and dismantle it - but they're failing. Hence the scale up in calling everyone a racist.
Like with the shooting of Charlie Kirk, the desperate media smear campaigns, and these insults, what has become clear is that the left are losing badly at the moment and this is all desperate behaviour.
Thankfully it looks like more and more people are seeing through it.
or read as much social mediaHe’s incredibly famous in the world of American politics. Some of us aren’t as US-centric.
What seems more likely at this point is that the shooter was either right wing or politically homeless.What has been apparent in the last few days on this board, is that most people who claim to know a lot about politics, actually are incredibly ignorant about the world and have proved as such.
Almost none of the regular posters had ever heard of Charlie Kirk, which is staggering considering how incredibly famous he is in the world of politics. It just proves how much of an echo chamber many are living in.
Even after the news broke of his death, some were still clawing at things he supposedly said, and despite pretending to have a bit of sympathy, were still looking at angles to try and insinuate he deserved it, whilst being careful to not actually say the words. A few leftist celebrities have been destroyed on twitter for doing similair things, and for getting their facts completely wrong.
This protest is another example. The media are trying their hardest to knock it down, and a few people on here are desperately trying to swallow it and dismantle it - but they're failing. Hence the scale up in calling everyone a racist.
Like with the shooting of Charlie Kirk, the desperate media smear campaigns, and these insults, what has become clear is that the left are losing badly at the moment and this is all desperate behaviour.
Thankfully it looks like more and more people are seeing through it.
Same polls that predicted a landslide for remaining in the EU. Maybe they had a degree of accuracy and honesty in the 1970s but they've since been taken over as a method of trying to manipulate the public mood.Ohhh here are the polls again.
"And our survey says"
I'll chip in £100 too.Like I said, you're a cowardly little rat version of the cunts going on pissed up jollies with England flags in.
You're sat in your house getting high, reading shit online and thinking you're better than everybody else while everybody else is thick, everybody else is racist. You base your life on a polls website.
I'll give £100 to a Palestine charity if you walk down to the royal oak and tell them to take down the flags and that they are all racist.
Possibly she will be attempting to get elected in a Birmingham seat instead. She doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of reelection in Coventry South if she is not on the Labour ticket.Only Coventry South likely to remain Labour, but not sure they’ve built in Zarah Sultana / Your Party into their polling yet.
Same polls that predicted a landslide for remaining in the EU. Maybe they had a degree of accuracy and honesty in the 1970s but they've since been taken over as a method of trying to manipulate the public mood.
Both parties lied and misled over this issue and others like power bills and cost of living.100%.
The electorates trusted Labour and Conservatives to deliver lower immigration from 2005-2025. Both parties have failed, so if we’re doing things democratically, it shouldn’t be a surprise that Reform is polling where it is atm.
Shmmee posts a lot of polling, but it’s often devoid of context. For example, the electorate by and large don’t mind healthcare workers, students and skilled workers. However, they don’t support people overstaying their visas nor several dependents coming with them.
Even after the news broke of his death, some were still clawing at things he supposedly said,
No maybe about it. All they’ve got is a cheap Trump/Musk tribute act that would manage to make things worse.Both parties lied and misled over this issue and others like power bills and cost of living.
Maybe Reform are doing so also but trust in the mainstream is gone.
Look at the scatter on some of those results, a sign of uncertainty in accurracy, the ones I was aware of were generally for remain by a considerable margin. I was unaware they changed as the vote neared but I went on holiday that week and the result surprised everyone I was with.
Im no fan of Starmer or this government but what exactly are you reasonably expecting in the time they’ve hadThe electorates trusted Labour and Conservatives to deliver lower immigration from 2005-2025. Both parties have failed
I just remembered it being quite close but that maybe down to the opinions I was hearing at workLook at the scatter on some of those results, a sign of uncertainty in accurracy, the ones I was aware of were generally for remain by a considerable margin. I was unaware they changed as the vote neared but I went on holiday that week and the result surprised everyone I was with.
If memory serves Farage himself was also expecting a small Remain win.I just remembered it being quite close but that maybe down to the opinions I was hearing at work
By ‘right’ leaning media outlets or just horrible people on ‘X’ and so on?Look at what was written after the Democrats in Minnesota were killed if you wish to go down that road.
What is the utility of it? Particularly when the quotes are clipped without full context or intentionally misrepresented.They’re public figures - why should their opinions and actions be omitted when reporting on their deaths? Or is it a strict hagiographies-only policy if someone dies suddenly?
Look at the scatter on some of those results, a sign of uncertainty in accurracy, the ones I was aware of were generally for remain by a considerable margin. I was unaware they changed as the vote neared but I went on holiday that week and the result surprised everyone I was with.
You are conveniently leaving out a lot of their and similar coverage trying to implicate Tim Walz into the case. I certainly saw no major figures from the right calling for political violence to be stopped or for the rhetoric to be toned down. The president has continued to speak about Democrats as though they were enemies of the state. He has continued to go on about left wing violence when he incited violence to prevent the transfer of power.By ‘right’ leaning media outlets or just horrible people on ‘X’ and so on?
Fox kept it factual:
Break-in at murdered Minnesota lawmaker's home under investigation | Fox News
Minnesota Rep. Melissa Hortman's home broken into days after she and her husband were fatally shot, with police finding evidence of searching but nothing reported missing.www.foxnews.com
MSNBC:
Trump gave vastly different responses to Charlie Kirk's and Melissa Hortman's assassinations
Why Trump’s different responses to Charlie Kirk and Melissa Hortman's assassinations matter.www.msnbc.com
This is trash journalism. Charlie Kirk was a personal friend of Trump’s and considering Trump was close to being assassinated on live TV, can anyone blame him for rolling out the eulogy for Kirk?
The same outlet had Matthew Dowd reporting more or less victim-blaming Kirk for his own assassination before he was pronounced dead.
What is the utility of it? Particularly when the quotes are clipped without full context or intentionally misrepresented.
The penny dropped for me when I had a conversation with my mum. Long story short, I was uni and everyone in my social group was ‘Remain’ (including myself), so was surprised the polling was 55:45. My mum worked in a pub and recalled a convo where every single person said they voting ‘Leave’, supposedly cross-party sample. Thats when I thought that Leave might actually win. Jeff Bezos did say trust the anecdotes when they conflict with the data.
Im no fan of Starmer or this government but what exactly are you reasonably expecting in the time they’ve had
UK net migration almost halves in 2024, falling to 431,000, ONS estimates - follow live
The ONS says the drop is "driven by falling numbers of people coming to work and study, particularly student dependants", following previous policy changes.www.bbc.co.uk
Net student migration is over double that isn’t it?This was carrying on the restrictions the Tories introduced. In any case, 431k net migration is far too high in the eyes of the electorate. When polled, the electorate would say they want a “fair immigration system” whereas now they don’t care, they want the numbers to be lower (0-100k) full stop.
The small boats are increasing too which is generating the most anger with the electorate. The costs are also mounting.
The killer was a ‘leftist’, the bullets were carved with ANTIFA and pro-trans messages. That’s been confirmed by the FBI.You are conveniently leaving out a lot of their and similar coverage trying to implicate Tim Walz into the case. I certainly saw no major figures from the right calling for political violence to be stopped or for the rhetoric to be toned down. The president has continued to speak about Democrats as though they were enemies of the state. He has continued to go on about left wing violence when he incited violence to prevent the transfer of power.
Yet here they are demanding it when Kirk’s killer isn’t even left wing. It’s disgusting hypocrisy.
Probably and the public are seeing that many of these students are either a) being many dependents with them b) transitioning into low income work and c) overstaying/violating their visa conditions.Net student migration is over double that isn’t it?
The bullet engravings actually all appear to be references to a game and/or to quotes from the Nick Fuentes part of the bro sphere. He came from a family with a deep gun culture and that was in deep Republican territory.The killer was a ‘leftist’, the bullets were carved with ANTIFA and pro-trans messages. That’s been confirmed by the FBI.
There’s unconfirmed reports that trans groups were aware that the assassination was going to take place. Which may tie in with the post below that shared in another thread.
Reports that the killer was a fellow Republican or an Israeli paid hitman (etc) are just wrong. He was radicalised leftist.
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