Maybe. Long way to go though. Things like giving hero's welcomes to convicted criminals will wear pretty thin with the majority of the general public (just a shame it actually appeals to quite a few too).
There will be a nationwide poll showing that in a few years time I guess.
Interesting. My father was a toolmaker.My grandad grew up in a mining village, ultimately became a psychiatrist and had no problem until his dying days with paying higher taxes so that more could have access to opportunities that he didn't.
'My dad was a newsagent, my mum was a council administrator' doesn't have the same political zing I concede.Interesting. My father was a toolmaker.
The Reform cucks and her describing herself as a political prisoner is beyond crass.Maybe. Long way to go though. Things like giving hero's welcomes to convicted criminals will wear pretty thin with the majority of the general public (just a shame it actually appeals to quite a few too).
They probably think people should be arrested for disrespecting the flagThe Reform cucks and her describing herself as a political prisoner is beyond crass.
The vendors design the trials and control for instance how they characterise adverse events or withdrawals from the trials, no one looks over their shoulder to see if there might be a problem with the drugs if they say 'purely coincidental nothing to see here'. The tragic tale of Maddie DeGaray is a case in point.There’s these little things called clinical trials you absolute buffoon.
I don't disagree with it increasing by inflation but the argument being made was they made these changes (which were well above inflation) for the benefit of average people. They weren't. It was for the benefit of those who are richer. The fact that it would have a small benefit to those on lower incomes was just something they could use for political spin - it was not the purpose of it.
And then you can argue that because it reduces tax revenues overall there is less to spend on public services, which are used more by those on low incomes, so what may have saved them £40 in income tax cost them £50 in reduced services and other benefits.
Yes everybody who doesn't obsess over polls is racist as wellAnything that makes Nick have to face what a weird little racist he’s become makes him sad
Better to have a go at the mirror.
Sounds like Albany Rd.I've definitely become aware of the area's decline when compared to when I moved in,decline in it's many forms are pretty intolerable in many ways HMO:s being one, tenants dumping any crap they like, some does an oil change and leaves the waste on the pavement in an open receptical, mattresses fridge freezers sofa,my neighbour's, God knows who seem to rotate every two months god knows who owns it.
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All sad individuals that think because a handful of the same sad individuals agree with them, they think they are right about everything. Always the loudest ones on forums and social media that think they are always right, time to step into the real worldGood grief. Just catching up on few mixed pages of conspiracy theories and back slapping of 'look at them lot over there'. Time for me to avoid this until something interesting happens again.
Don’t leave things to domGood grief. Just catching up on few mixed pages of conspiracy theories and back slapping of 'look at them lot over there'. Time for me to avoid this until something interesting happens again.
So Rob, what is your view on the pyramids? Pharaoh burial sites or forerunners for Pharaoh John’s pizza outlets?Good grief. Just catching up on few mixed pages of conspiracy theories and back slapping of 'look at them lot over there'. Time for me to avoid this until something interesting happens again.
Think you're being harsh on fatso here personallyAll sad individuals that think because a handful of the same sad individuals agree with them, they think they are right about everything. Always the loudest ones on forums and social media that think they are always right, time to step into the real world
Though I would like to know the reasoning behind your username choiceThink you're being harsh on fatso here personally
It's my initials! Didn't really twig they were the same as the whole forum at the time. Happy to change it...Though I would like to know the reasoning behind your username choice
Nah talking about people like you and @mmttww it’s actually sad, I feel sorry for you pairThink you're being harsh on fatso here personally
No it’s because you are a sad person that’s so in love with this forum you’ve named yourself after itIt's my initials! Didn't really twig they were the same as the whole forum at the time. Happy to change it...
What have I said now in this thread Dom? I hate it when you get this upset.Nah talking about people like you and @mmttww it’s actually sad, I feel sorry for you pair
What's with the 26? Did you have a bit of trouble registering in the assumption there were 25 other SkyBlueDoms on here?No it’s because you are a sad person that’s so in love with this forum you’ve named yourself after it
It's his IQWhat's with the 26? Did you have a bit of trouble registering in the assumption there were 25 other SkyBlueDoms on here?
That's the bit he left out. It is his initials but he's changed his name by deed poll to Sky Blues TalkNo it’s because you are a sad person that’s so in love with this forum you’ve named yourself after it
You are a sad individual whose life revolves around this forum, you and a few others need to go outside a bit more. I just come on here to laugh at itWhat have I said now in this thread Dom? I hate it when you get this upset.
What's with the 26? Did you have a bit of trouble registering in the assumption there were 25 other SkyBlueDoms on here?
Cheers Dave for that wonderful information, should get a couple of likesNot a great performance from Farage on the media rounds this morning
Again, the "tories only looking after the rich" and "labour are the working man's party" are great soundbites, and a great way to keep the working class voting for labour. But if you'd of read my first post properly, you'll see I've disproven that with real life, lived experiences of how the personal tax increases have helped EVERYONE, not just the rich.Ok, let's deal with those then.
When the personal allowance is increased it actually benefits the rich most, as it means less of their income is in higher tax brackets. Also the same with upping the upper tax band. £42k at the time was well above the average wage (and still is) so actually benefits the rich and those on above average wages while poorer households get nothing from it at all.
What they're good at is making policies that on the face of it seem to be beneficial to 'normal' people but are in fact much more of a benefit for them and their rich mates.
Please don’t argue with him mate, these people don’t have brainsAgain, the "tories only looking after the rich" and "labour are the working man's party" are great soundbites, and a great way to keep the working class voting for labour. But if you'd of read my first post properly, you'll see I've disproven that with real life, lived experiences of how the personal tax increases have helped EVERYONE, not just the rich.
Let's start at the bottom shall we? The £10.5k - £12.5k rise. So, low earners/part time workers/people topped up by benefits. The lowest of the low scum as you think the tories would say. The bottom feeders! Or, every day, normal people (like my mum) They can now earn an extra £2k a year (or for minimum wage earners) can work the equivalent of an extra 3 hours per week before being taxed. This isnt benefitting the rich?
My dad is retired, my mum has to work part time to top up his pension so they can live. She can now work more hours and bring in more money per week because of this "only the rich benefit" tax rise.
Middle earners. £42k - £50k rise.
Nurses, once fully qualified and risen through the grades can be on up to £46k a year. With overtime can surpass £50k.
Firemen, Basic rate of £38k. Overtime would easily take them past £42.
Paramedics, roughly the same as firemen.
Car industry (JLR/Rolls Royce/JCB) track workers, £40k+. Up to the higher £40s with OT added.
I class ALL of these people as working class. Not rich, bet hard working, everyday men and women. All benefit from the extra £8k in the 20% tax bracket. Again, no millionaires within this group benefitting?
15 hour free childcare to 30 hour frre childcare per week. Allowed many mums to go back to work that couldn't afford to previously. My missus for one. She was a stay at home mum on benefits when my son was born. A drain on society some would say. But when my daughter was born, she could afford to go back to work, and earn money, and pay tax. Its a win-win. We were better off for it, she wasnt draining funds through benefits anymore AND she was paying taxes.
But please, please, continue to tell me how it is ONLY the rich that benefitted from the last tories government raising the personal tax rises?
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Frozen for three of five year's though,so eaten away or chipped away piece by piece how does that square now?Again, the "tories only looking after the rich" and "labour are the working man's party" are great soundbites, and a great way to keep the working class voting for labour. But if you'd of read my first post properly, you'll see I've disproven that with real life, lived experiences of how the personal tax increases have helped EVERYONE, not just the rich.
Let's start at the bottom shall we? The £10.5k - £12.5k rise. So, low earners/part time workers/people topped up by benefits. The lowest of the low scum as you think the tories would say. The bottom feeders! Or, every day, normal people (like my mum) They can now earn an extra £2k a year (or for minimum wage earners) can work the equivalent of an extra 3 hours per week before being taxed. This isnt benefitting the rich?
My dad is retired, my mum has to work part time to top up his pension so they can live. She can now work more hours and bring in more money per week because of this "only the rich benefit" tax rise.
Middle earners. £42k - £50k rise.
Nurses, once fully qualified and risen through the grades can be on up to £46k a year. With overtime can surpass £50k.
Firemen, Basic rate of £38k. Overtime would easily take them past £42.
Paramedics, roughly the same as firemen.
Car industry (JLR/Rolls Royce/JCB) track workers, £40k+. Up to the higher £40s with OT added.
I class ALL of these people as working class. Not rich, bet hard working, everyday men and women. All benefit from the extra £8k in the 20% tax bracket. Again, no millionaires within this group benefitting?
15 hour free childcare to 30 hour frre childcare per week. Allowed many mums to go back to work that couldn't afford to previously. My missus for one. She was a stay at home mum on benefits when my son was born. A drain on society some would say. But when my daughter was born, she could afford to go back to work, and earn money, and pay tax. Its a win-win. We were better off for it, she wasnt draining funds through benefits anymore AND she was paying taxes.
But please, please, continue to tell me how it is ONLY the rich that benefitted from the last tories government raising the personal tax rises?
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Again, the "tories only looking after the rich" and "labour are the working man's party" are great soundbites, and a great way to keep the working class voting for labour. But if you'd of read my first post properly, you'll see I've disproven that with real life, lived experiences of how the personal tax increases have helped EVERYONE, not just the rich.
Let's start at the bottom shall we? The £10.5k - £12.5k rise. So, low earners/part time workers/people topped up by benefits. The lowest of the low scum as you think the tories would say. The bottom feeders! Or, every day, normal people (like my mum) They can now earn an extra £2k a year (or for minimum wage earners) can work the equivalent of an extra 3 hours per week (thats an extra £36 a week in their pocket) before being taxed. This isnt benefitting the rich?
My dad is retired, my mum has to work part time to top up his pension so they can live. She can now work more hours and bring in more money per week because of this "only the rich benefit" tax rise.
Middle earners. £42k - £50k rise.
Nurses, once fully qualified and risen through the grades can be on up to £46k a year. With overtime can surpass £50k.
Firemen, Basic rate of £38k. Overtime would easily take them past £42.
Paramedics, roughly the same as firemen.
Car industry (JLR/Rolls Royce/JCB) track workers, £40k+. Up to the higher £40s with OT added.
I class ALL of these people as working class. Not rich, but hard working, everyday men and women. All benefit from the extra £8k in the 20% tax bracket. Again, no millionaires within this group benefitting?
15 hour free childcare to 30 hour frre childcare per week. Allowed many mums to go back to work that couldn't afford to previously. My missus for one. She was a stay at home mum on benefits when my son was born. A drain on society some would say. But when my daughter was born, she could afford to go back to work, and earn money, and pay tax. Its a win-win. We were better off for it, she wasnt draining funds through benefits anymore AND she was paying taxes.
But please, please, continue to tell me how it is ONLY the rich that benefitted from the last tory government raising the personal tax rises?
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So a couple of graphs of disposable income in a time where wages have stagnated and cost of living has doubled? Nice one
So a couple of graphs of disposable income in a time where wages have stagnated and cost of living has doubled? Nice one
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The poorest in society will always be worse off than the elite. Thats just a fact. But your argument that ONLY the rich benefit from them is factually incorrect as ive pointed out with actual evidence of real life people and situations to back that up over 2 posts.No, it's a couple of graphs showing Tory policies over the last 14 years negatively affected the poorest in society the most.
But they haven't stagnated though have they, don't we know by now that they're the cause of inflation?So a couple of graphs of disposable income in a time where wages have stagnated and cost of living has doubled? Nice one
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Which still has nothing to do with part time workers being able to earn an extra £2k a year before paying tax though?But they haven't stagnated though have they, don't we know by now that they're the cause of inflation?
The poorest in society will always be worse off than the elite. Thats just a fact. But your argument that ONLY the rich benefit from them is factually incorrect as ive pointed out with actual evidence of real life people and situations to back that up over 2 posts.
Ive never said the elite dont benefit from any tax breaks, nor have I said the poorest households are living their best lives and splashing cash on 3 holidays a year etc. However, the tax personal tax rise didnt just help out the rich and the elite as you seem to think.
I get it, you're a left wing, Tory hater. And to admit that the poor have benefitted in any way from their policies is hard to admit. But my mum and dad, me and my family and my partners mum (nurse) are ALL living proof that the lower end (20% and lower) tax bracket rise, has helped us greatly. Granted, with wages stagnating and cost of living sky rocketing its plateaud us back out again, but that's not because of the personal tax costs, that's just because its a fucking awful market to live in.
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