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mmttww

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  • Aug 8, 2025
  • #54,601
fernandopartridge said:
Because you are being obtuse
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Totally lost. Renting in cities being a preference for folks at various points in their life is hardly a hot take.

I saw talk about not having a private rental sector. New argument to me, so I asked a question or two.

I'll leave you lot to it as I've got no clue wtf is going on. We can go back to arguing about football from tmrw.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 8, 2025
  • #54,602
Grendel said:
No it isn’t? Why would anyone in their right minds want to rent if they could buy?
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Couples moving in together for the first time, people moving for work on fixed terms etc
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 8, 2025
  • #54,603
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Couples moving in together for the first time, people moving for work on fixed terms etc
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It’s very rare and if you move for work normally companies would cover costs
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 8, 2025
  • #54,604
Grendel said:
It’s very rare and if you move for work normally companies would cover costs
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Well in our case we rented before deciding we wanted to commit to buying somewhere else. I don’t think that’s especially uncommon at least among my generation
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 8, 2025
  • #54,605
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Has it sustained itself?

We've got increasing homelessness (which is also linked to increase in population) but most importantly the cost of housing as a percentage of earnings is going up and a major factor in the cost of living crisis.

Part of that will be due to poor wages and wage stagnation but the fact people are buying properties as investments and income generators increases the cost as those people offer more than people wanting a house to live in as it's a business investment and then recoup that (plus profit) in rent is a huge factor as well.

Increasing supply by building houses is undoubtedly an important factor in sorting out the cost of housing, but if you added in big restrictions on the private rental market in terms of number of properties allowed to be owned and not allowing for profit companies to own residential property this would also have a huge impact.
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Homelessness is a political choice. I was in the Netherlands which has similar housing issues and saw a single homeless person across three major cities and serval small towns, and he was a guy wandering around Amsterdam.

The cost of housing has gone up because we haven’t built enough houses. It really is that simple. Everything else is noise. If there’s high demand for something like housing in the south east, then without sufficient supply prices will rise. If you want prices to fall you increase supply. The contortions people will do to try and get around this very simple and very obvious fact amaze me. We gave people a veto on new houses in their area and surprise surprise they used it to stop new houses being built (and anything else).

The rental market is shit because there aren’t enough houses so even shit landlords can make a killing. If there was a steady supply of high quality housing on the market then people wouldn’t be forced to stick with shitty landlords. And every c**t wants to be a shit landlord cos it’s seen as easy money, sufficient housing supply stops that too.

If you add restrictions to the rental market in one place you increase costs elsewhere. There’s no examples of good rent control systems anywhere. Just places like Berlin and NYC where some lucky lottery winners get cheap rent and everyone else gets screwed because their house came onto the market later. So you get even more power for landlords as you’ve made their place even more desirable and those you haven’t you’re just lining their pockets.

Just build more houses where people want to live. It really is that straightforward.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Aug 8, 2025
  • #54,606
We’re not even particularly high for a European country:

 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Aug 8, 2025
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wingy said:
I think the main driver is the access to finance,it seems to me
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That was sort of included in the wages bit. House price inflation way above wage inflation means more money needs to be borrowed or longer to pay it back.

With the global crash from subprime mortgages the bigger rules around borrowing are required but I think there could be more scope. If you've proved you can pay rent that's roughly equivalent to what a mortgage would be then I think there should be some trust in the payee. Although there are also now more gig economy workers with insecure incomes which again makes lenders nervy and leads to higher interest rates.
 
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wingy

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  • Aug 8, 2025
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
That was sort of included in the wages bit. House price inflation way above wage inflation means more money needs to be borrowed or longer to pay it back.

With the global crash from subprime mortgages the bigger rules around borrowing are required but I think there could be more scope. If you've proved you can pay rent that's roughly equivalent to what a mortgage would be then I think there should be some trust in the payee. Although there are also now more gig economy workers with insecure incomes which again makes lenders nervy and leads to higher interest rates.
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It's more I think if you set up a company for instance, then that type of finance, risk assessment how vigorous is that check etc idk of course but I wonder if it is as fierce for that sort of funding for landlords?
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Aug 10, 2025
  • #54,609
Hopefully jail for a very long time, I know that will upset the 95% on here though
 

Ian1779

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  • Aug 10, 2025
  • #54,610
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Hopefully jail for a very long time, I know that will upset the 95% on here though
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What did he even say? I can’t make it other than ‘disgusting, nasty something’
 

chiefdave

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  • Aug 10, 2025
  • #54,611
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Hopefully jail for a very long time, I know that will upset the 95% on here though
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Think there's every chance he will get jail time. What defence could he use? It's not exactly a commonly used expression that could mean something else. Think his only option can be to claim nobody acted on it but not sure that will do him much good.
 

chiefdave

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  • Aug 10, 2025
  • #54,612
Ian1779 said:
What did he even say? I can’t make it other than ‘disgusting, nasty something’
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he was the one who said about cutting peoples throats I think, unless I've got him mixed up with someone else.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Aug 10, 2025
  • #54,613
Ian1779 said:
What did he even say? I can’t make it other than ‘disgusting, nasty something’
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Even for you that’s low, pretending not to hear him call for the death of people. Get a grip, is it because it doesn’t fit your agenda?
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Aug 10, 2025
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chiefdave said:
he was the one who said about cutting peoples throats I think, unless I've got him mixed up with someone else.
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He obviously heard what he said, it’s as clear as fucking day. He’s just trying to be a smart arse
 

Sick Boy

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  • Aug 10, 2025
  • #54,615
I’d be amazed if he doesn’t get a prison sentence.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Aug 10, 2025
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SkyBlueDom26 said:
Even for you that’s low, pretending not to hear him call for the death of people. Get a grip, is it because it doesn’t fit your agenda?
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I literally can’t make it out, if he’s saying people should have their throats cut then bang the c**t in jail I agree with you.

EDIT - I’ve listened to it 20/30 times, I can now make out the cut their throats bit, I assume he was saying fascists?

He does deserve to go to prison for that, it would be consistent with other people, like Lucy Connolly for example (although I don’t think she should still be locked up)
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Aug 10, 2025
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Ian1779 said:
I literally can’t make it out, if he’s saying people should have their throats cut then bang the c**t in jail I agree with you.
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Mate come off it, it’s as clear as your ever here. Even my nan who’s 97 and deaf would be able to hear that. I wouldn’t say joking around about this is really appropriate would you? Then again it wouldn’t surprise me due to the context of who he’s calling it for
 

Ian1779

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  • Aug 10, 2025
  • #54,618
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Mate come off it, it’s as clear as your ever here. Even my nan who’s 97 and deaf would be able to hear that. I wouldn’t say joking around about this is really appropriate would you? Then again it wouldn’t surprise me due to the context of who he’s calling it for
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I’ve responded to this above.
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Aug 10, 2025
  • #54,619
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Hopefully jail for a very long time, I know that will upset the 95% on here though
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That stupid bitch in the orange hi viz needs to be jailed too, cheering and clapping when he says it. Thick idiot
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Aug 11, 2025
  • #54,620
Ian1779 said:
What did he even say? I can’t make it other than ‘disgusting, nasty something’
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They are disgusting nasty fascists and we need to cut their throats. I heard it first time, perhaps you have selective hearing
 
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shmmeee

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  • Aug 11, 2025
  • #54,621
Gynnsthetonic said:
They are disgusting nasty fascists and we need to cut their throats. I heard it first time, perhaps you have selective hearing
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I mean they are disgusting fascists. That’s fair.
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 11, 2025
  • #54,622
Right wing MPs: “Why are Labour letting people out of prison?? “

Right wing MPs the last 14 years:

 
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PVA

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  • Aug 11, 2025
  • #54,623
From that guys own substack.

What a fucking idiot.


 
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shmmeee

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  • Aug 11, 2025
  • #54,624
Just because it’s worth highlighting how the scaremongering of people like Nick on private school VAT has proven to be complete and utter bollocks in the vain hope that in future not quite so much bollocks will be spouted.

The Great VAT Panic

Or how not to run a campaign
samf.substack.com
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Aug 11, 2025
  • #54,625
shmmeee said:
I mean they are disgusting fascists. That’s fair.
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Who are, people wanting their children to be safe
 

Sick Boy

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  • Aug 11, 2025
  • #54,626
@SkyBlueDom26 nothing is as strange as all your deleted messages after 1 min.
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Aug 11, 2025
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Sick Boy said:
@SkyBlueDom26 nothing is as strange as all your deleted messages after 1 min.
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Keep up the good work, maybe you’ll upgrade the super moderator role soon if it carries on. Imagine the feeling of nick messaging you asking if you want to become a super moderator on here, bet it was the best achievement you’ve ever had.
 

Sick Boy

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  • Aug 11, 2025
  • #54,628
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Keep up the good work, maybe you’ll upgrade the super moderator role soon if it carries on. Imagine the feeling of nick messaging you asking if you want to become a super moderator on here, bet it was the best achievement you’ve ever had.
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What’s it all about? Why panic and delete them?
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Aug 11, 2025
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Sick Boy said:
What’s it all about? Why panic and delete them?
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Why are you so arsed? Are you that invested on here or something, or are you pointing this stuff out so nick notices and gives you a rise in position
 

Sick Boy

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  • Aug 11, 2025
  • #54,630
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Why are you so arsed? Are you that invested on here or something, or are you pointing this stuff out so nick notices and gives you a rise in position
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You’re calling out others for weird behaviour while doing plenty of it yourself.
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Aug 11, 2025
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Sick Boy said:
You’re calling out others for weird behaviour while doing plenty of it yourself.
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I mean at least I don’t post somebody that was calling for the October the 7th attacks to carry on, I’d say that’s up there when it comes to weird
 

Sick Boy

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  • Aug 11, 2025
  • #54,632
SkyBlueDom26 said:
I mean at least I don’t post somebody that was calling for the October the 7th attacks to carry on, I’d say that’s up there when it comes to weird
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What? I posted a link to a report about him being killed.
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 11, 2025
  • #54,633
Gynnsthetonic said:
Who are, people wanting their children to be safe
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Thats not who was burning down hotels last year, come on.
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Aug 11, 2025
  • #54,634
shmmeee said:
I mean they are disgusting fascists. That’s fair.
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Hilarious how your not condemning what he’s said, sad sad individual
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Aug 11, 2025
  • #54,635
shmmeee said:
Thats not who was burning down hotels last year, come on.
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It probably was, a lot of people have had enough
 
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