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Do you want to discuss boring politics? (15 Viewers)

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Ccfcisparks

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  • Yesterday at 11:40 AM
  • #53,761
shmmeee said:
Would you give my opinion as much weight as yours on Italian politics?
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Its a moot point as you have no connection to Italy at all.

Sick boy is English and therefore more familiar with English politics.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Yesterday at 11:42 AM
  • #53,762
Ccfcisparks said:
10000% reform will get a lot more voters from that generation than people realise.

Social media and Tiktok are making an extremely racist generation
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And the lack of any real offer of hope of a better future makes people increasingly nihilistic.

The messaging is pretty much non stop negative.
 
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rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Yesterday at 11:50 AM
  • #53,763
fernandopartridge said:
And the lack of any real offer of hope of a better future makes people increasingly nihilistic.

The messaging is pretty much non stop negative.
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Given it a like, but the Cambridge opening definition of 'nihilistic' is as follows:

'connected with a belief that all political and religious organizations are bad'

... is pretty much where I'm at!
 
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SBT

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  • Yesterday at 12:32 PM
  • #53,764
shmmeee said:
Would you give my opinion as much weight as yours on Italian politics?
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English politics for English residents!

 

Grendel

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  • Yesterday at 1:07 PM
  • #53,765
shmmeee said:
Don’t you live in Italy?
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I guess no one can comment on Trump by that logic.
 

shmmeee

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  • Yesterday at 1:58 PM
  • #53,766
SBT said:
English politics for English residents!

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Yes! Expat votes are stupid. Sick Boy gets a vote but my missus who lives and works here doesn’t?
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Yesterday at 2:03 PM
  • #53,767
shmmeee said:
Yes! Expat votes are stupid. Sick Boy gets a vote but my missus who lives and works here doesn’t?
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What nationality is she?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Yesterday at 2:05 PM
  • #53,768
Grendel said:
I guess no one can comment on Trump by that logic.
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Or on car ownership wait what
 

shmmeee

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  • Yesterday at 2:07 PM
  • #53,769
Ccfcisparks said:
What nationality is she?
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Not British citizen and not a commonwealth country.

The idea the opinion of someone who doesn’t live somewhere governed by the government is worth as much or even more than those that do is a nonsense.
 

chiefdave

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  • Yesterday at 2:23 PM
  • #53,770
shmmeee said:
Not British citizen and not a commonwealth country.
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Now we know why you're in favour of immigration!
 
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mmttww

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  • Yesterday at 2:53 PM
  • #53,771
Did we get into what Tommy Robinson thinks about weight loss jabs? Couldn't be arsed to read all the pages I missed since I last opened the thread.
 

tisza

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  • Yesterday at 3:07 PM
  • #53,772
shmmeee said:
The idea the opinion of someone who doesn’t live somewhere governed by the government is worth as much or even more than those that do is a nonsense.
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Wasn't that the argument for Brexit?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Yesterday at 3:13 PM
  • #53,773
The news on employment isn't great. That said, how did payrolled employee numbers grow so rapidly post covid even beyond pre covid levels?

 

chiefdave

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  • Yesterday at 3:21 PM
  • #53,774
fernandopartridge said:
The news on employment isn't great. That said, how did payrolled employee numbers grow so rapidly post covid even beyond pre covid levels?

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This always seems such a strange way of measuring employment. Would it not give a more accurate picture if it was number of full time equivalent employees?
 

shmmeee

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  • Yesterday at 3:23 PM
  • #53,775
tisza said:
Wasn't that the argument for Brexit?
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We were and still are living in Europe, so if it was it was a stupid one.
 

shmmeee

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  • Yesterday at 3:24 PM
  • #53,776
fernandopartridge said:
The news on employment isn't great. That said, how did payrolled employee numbers grow so rapidly post covid even beyond pre covid levels?

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Stuffing the NI raise onto employers was stupid. The tax pledge really is the gift that keeps on giving. Every single major misstep comes from that.
 
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wingy

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  • Yesterday at 3:57 PM
  • #53,777
shmmeee said:
Stuffing the NI raise onto employers was stupid. The tax pledge really is the gift that keeps on giving. Every single major misstep comes from that.
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That one was a really stupid one,a Nobbling job!
 

shmmeee

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  • Yesterday at 4:05 PM
  • #53,778
wingy said:
That one was a really stupid one,a Nobbling job!
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For all the fact that the Tories kicked out everyone with a brain, Hunt played them like a fiddle with the NI cut. Everyone know it was nonsense, same as the promise not to raise the main taxes, the OBR and IFS essentially said both parties plans were total fantasy.

They had the chance with the £22bn to do it then and the longer they leave it the more it’s stuck on them. Even with a fair WFA settlement and bringing disability benefits back in line with the rest of the world (neither of which are actually happening now) you’d still need big tax rises across the board.

Not to sound like a stuck record but we have two major expenses: we are living longer, and having fewer kids which has fucked the social contract. And we have to either go hard for net zero and hope everyone else does or spend probably ten times as much on mitigation measures and damage.

And politicians can’t say this or they’ll get murdered and people will vote for the fantasy parties of Farage and Corbyn because fuck it if were making up the finances anyway let’s all get some free shit. And they’ll tell us that our issues are either made up or the fault of some scary shadowy people who they will promise to whack. And the media is still stuck in “wow aren’t these crazy people good ratings”.
 

Grendel

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  • Yesterday at 4:12 PM
  • #53,779
fernandopartridge said:
PVA says being a liar is OK as that's what leaders must do to retain power
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Its funny as that imbecile Rory Stewart was mentioned earlier. PVA has praised him and Tony has salivated over him. They laugh at people for falling for the one of the lads act by Farage but buy into probably the most weird person who has ever been in politics.
 
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wingy

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  • Yesterday at 4:14 PM
  • #53,780
shmmeee said:
For all the fact that the Tories kicked out everyone with a brain, Hunt played them like a fiddle with the NI cut. Everyone know it was nonsense, same as the promise not to raise the main taxes, the OBR and IFS essentially said both parties plans were total fantasy.

They had the chance with the £22bn to do it then and the longer they leave it the more it’s stuck on them. Even with a fair WFA settlement and bringing disability benefits back in line with the rest of the world (neither of which are actually happening now) you’d still need big tax rises across the board.

Not to sound like a stuck record but we have two major expenses: we are living longer, and having fewer kids which has fucked the social contract. And we have to either go hard for net zero and hope everyone else does or spend probably ten times as much on mitigation measures and damage.

And politicians can’t say this or they’ll get murdered and people will vote for the fantasy parties of Farage and Corbyn because fuck it if were making up the finances anyway let’s all get some free shit. And they’ll tell us that our issues are either made up or the fault of some scary shadowy people who they will promise to whack. And the media is still stuck in “wow aren’t these crazy people good ratings”.
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I get the ageing population, but that's possibly 30yrs now, possibly longer,so back to Blair's watch,Boris reckoned he was going to sort it but had other priorities, maybe it can't be done, it's a big market and there are many ways of divesting senior's of there provisions,me I'll just saunter on until I can't and shouldn't be a burden to anyone, that's my hope anyway.
 

shmmeee

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  • Yesterday at 4:17 PM
  • #53,781
wingy said:
I get the ageing population, but that's possibly 30yrs now, possibly longer,so back to Blair's watch,Boris reckoned he was going to sort it but had other priorities, maybe it can't be done, it's a big market and there are many ways of divesting senior's of there provisions,me I'll just saunter on until I can't and shouldn't be a burden to anyone, that's my hope anyway.
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The thing is it’s your generation that are the first but mine will be along soon and with a lot less property wealth and savings and need even more state support and there’s no sign of birth rate turning around so that’s likely to just carry on indefinitely. Boomers have it worst because well they were a boom, but it’s coming for us all and we need to reconsider how we spread our earnings out over a longer life and how we best organise care and housing for those without the ability to pay for it.
 

shmmeee

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  • Yesterday at 4:18 PM
  • #53,782
If everyone would just start fucking a lot of this would work itself out.
 

Grendel

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  • Yesterday at 4:20 PM
  • #53,783
Someones dealer in Bedworth is clearly on holiday
 
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wingy

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  • Yesterday at 4:21 PM
  • #53,784
shmmeee said:
The thing is it’s your generation that are the first but mine will be along soon and with a lot less property wealth and savings and need even more state support and there’s no sign of birth rate turning around so that’s likely to just carry on indefinitely. Boomers have it worst because well they were a boom, but it’s coming for us all and we need to reconsider how we spread our earnings out over a longer life and how we best organise care and housing for those without the ability to pay for it.
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Best ignore that really.
 

shmmeee

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  • Yesterday at 4:23 PM
  • #53,785
wingy said:
Best ignore that really.
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That’s been the plan so far!
 
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wingy

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  • Yesterday at 4:31 PM
  • #53,786
shmmeee said:
That’s been the plan so far!
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Oh I've just remembered the last increase in NI was fanfared that this was the funding to sort all that so in reality Hunt undid Boris's plan.
 
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PVA

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  • Yesterday at 4:32 PM
  • #53,787
State of these fucking idiots.

'Make Durham Great Again' hats after becoming the first council to rescind its climate emergency declaration, and amending the councillor code of conduct to protect them more:


 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Yesterday at 4:34 PM
  • #53,788
PVA said:
State of these fucking idiots.

'Make Durham Great Again' hats after becoming the first council to rescind its climate emergency declaration, and amending the councillor code of conduct to protect them more:


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Just the weirdest cosplay choices. You don’t even get a fake sword.
 

tisza

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  • Yesterday at 4:41 PM
  • #53,789
shmmeee said:
The thing is it’s your generation that are the first but mine will be along soon and with a lot less property wealth and savings and need even more state support and there’s no sign of birth rate turning around so that’s likely to just carry on indefinitely. Boomers have it worst because well they were a boom, but it’s coming for us all and we need to reconsider how we spread our earnings out over a longer life and how we best organise care and housing for those without the ability to pay for it.
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you're going to be working into your 70s. Some future Govt will play with the triple lock pensions/retirement age etc
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Yesterday at 4:49 PM
  • #53,790
tisza said:
you're going to be working into your 70s. Some future Govt will play with the triple lock pensions/retirement age etc
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I've got my retirement all sorted, die before you reach retirement age!
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Yesterday at 6:05 PM
  • #53,791
shmmeee said:
If everyone would just start fucking a lot of this would work itself out.
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It's not going to happen until the cost of living is addressed and sustainably, that means housing and energy as a minimum. Labour seems too frightened to do what is needed.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Yesterday at 6:05 PM
  • #53,792
fernandopartridge said:
It's not going to happen until the cost of living is addressed and sustainably, that means housing and energy as a minimum. Labour seems too frightened to do what is needed.
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Can add food to that
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Yesterday at 6:11 PM
  • #53,793
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Can add food to that
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Energy is one of the key underlying costs to other types of inflation
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Yesterday at 6:27 PM
  • #53,794
shmmeee said:
Yes! Expat votes are stupid. Sick Boy gets a vote but my missus who lives and works here doesn’t?
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I don’t disagree. If you’re resident and paying taxes in a country you should be allowed to vote.
 
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wingy

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  • Yesterday at 6:37 PM
  • #53,795
fernandopartridge said:
It's not going to happen until the cost of living is addressed and sustainably, that means housing and energy as a minimum. Labour seems too frightened to do what is needed.
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It's almost like they're in on the act!
 
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