Grendel
Well-Known Member
I forgot about Rory Stewart - What a wanker he is
I’m not sure that’s balanced at all
They haven’t been worse evidentially on immigration have they?
Heard an interesting thing on one of the podcasts - Rory Stewart I think it was said that Labour genuinely felt that tories were evil and all that was needed was for good people to take over and he thought that was such nonsense
what we need is competent people with integrity who have experience and expertise but we won’t ever get it and many people don’t even want it
we want everything without sacrifice for ourselves often
BrilliantHe has zero integrity - through his life he has changed opinions to try and go with what he believes is popular
He is an awful PM
Brilliant
I have no axe to grind with starmer being a good or bad pm but that statement is just utter bollox isn’t it really?
To say he’s risen to the roles he has by looking at what’s popular and doing it is just bolloxNo as to be a PM that is good you have to have a vision and to lead to that vision. What is good about him?
I'd suggest they've been way worse on immigration, at least the Tories had a plan with the Rwanda deal, as bad as it was you could at least say it was a plan. Labour have nothing other than build houses everywhere while shoving migrants into our hotels, which is basically an admission of no clue whatsoever.I’m not sure that’s balanced at all
They haven’t been worse evidentially on immigration have they?
Heard an interesting thing on one of the podcasts - Rory Stewart I think it was said that Labour genuinely felt that tories were evil and all that was needed was for good people to take over and he thought that was such nonsense
what we need is competent people with integrity who have experience and expertise but we won’t ever get it and many people don’t even want it
we want everything without sacrifice for ourselves often
What are those labour valuesI'd suggest they've been way worse on immigration, at least the Tories had a plan with the Rwanda deal, as bad as it was you could at least say it was a plan. Labour have nothing other than build houses everywhere while shoving migrants into our hotels, which is basically an admission of no clue whatsoever.
We've now got migrants living at tax payers expense, getting given money AND working cash in hand, you couldn't make it up!!!!
Now without wishing to get bogged down in immigration issues which has been done to death, let's look at the child benefit cap, where was that in their manifesto, or the scrapping of the winter fuel allowance for our pensioners? And how can they commit to doubling defence spending while trying to slash welfare payments to our most vulnerable?
Even today that cock Starmer has suspended 3 MP's for having the courage to stand up for labour values.
You should know that being a Labour voter.What are those labour values
Pretending that you want to share all the wealth ... apart from your ownWhat are those labour values
"smash the gangs" has to be one of the most stupid ideas - and he should know he was DPP.He did create narrative
"Smash the gangs"
"Island of strangers"
If Farage or Rees Mogg used the strangers term you'd be all over it
FairnessYou should know that being a Labour voter.
Hypocrisy, every single political party and figure. Don't forget.Fairness
Equity
Investment
To say he’s risen to the roles he has by looking at what’s popular and doing it is just bollox
Well they are failing on fairness.Fairness
Equity
Investment
Course and okAs a politician that’s exactly what he has done
CynicPretending that you want you share all the wealth ... apart from your own
CynicPretending that you want you share all the wealth ... apart from your own
so too right of centreWell they are failing on fairness.
They said they'd be no increase in council tax, this was bullshit
They capped child benefit, hitting the poorest families the hardest
They scrapped winter fuel allowance, hitting the poorest pensioners
All while pandering to Trump's demands for extra defence spending, which they've done by not even supporting British workers, instead they are buying American Jets and bombs, making millions of dollars for US contractors, I mean Who the fuck are we supposed to be fighting ffs???
It's not about political positioning, I'd say its about bungling incompetence.Cynic
What
so too right of centre
OkIt's not about political positioning, I'd say its about bungling incompetence.
Truss had a vision and did what she could to lead to it...No as to be a PM that is good you have to have a vision and to lead to that vision. What is good about him?
Rwanda was never a workable plan and they knew it. As long as they could sell it as them trying to solve it and keep the ridiculous cost quiet and blame courts/liberals for virtually no-one being deported they could claim a win. And it worked on some people. You, for example.I'd suggest they've been way worse on immigration, at least the Tories had a plan with the Rwanda deal, as bad as it was you could at least say it was a plan. Labour have nothing other than build houses everywhere while shoving migrants into our hotels, which is basically an admission of no clue whatsoever.
We've now got migrants living at tax payers expense, getting given money AND working cash in hand, you couldn't make it up!!!!
Now without wishing to get bogged down in immigration issues which has been done to death, let's look at the child benefit cap, where was that in their manifesto, or the scrapping of the winter fuel allowance for our pensioners? And how can they commit to doubling defence spending while trying to slash welfare payments to our most vulnerable?
Even today that cock Starmer has suspended 3 MP's for having the courage to stand up for labour values.
Needs examining that Rwanda scheme, awful lot of money, wonder how they used it!Rwanda was never a workable plan and they knew it. As long as they could sell it as them trying to solve it and keep the ridiculous cost quiet and blame courts/liberals for virtually no-one being deported they could claim a win. And it worked on some people. You, for example.
And Starmer just last week had a deal with the French regarding immigration. OK, it's not brilliant and basically is moving deckchairs but it's got as much chance of making a difference as Rwanda ever had.
It's a government that has achieved something special in being unpopular with just about everyone in almost record time. Could have done really transformative things with that majority, instead they've pissed it up the wall in the name of shaving 50p off the deficit.
Does that not make you thinkIt's a government that has achieved something special in being unpopular with just about everyone in almost record time. Could have done really transformative things with that majority, instead they've pissed it up the wall in the name of shaving 50p off the deficit.
It makes me think that things will just never improve in this country.Does that not make you think
Not with that attitude lolIt makes me think that things will just never improve in this country.
It’s the attitude this government seems to have and they’ll simply lay out the red carpet for people who’ll do serious damage.Not with that attitude lol
It's a government that has achieved something special in being unpopular with just about everyone in almost record time. Could have done really transformative things with that majority, instead they've pissed it up the wall in the name of shaving 50p off the deficit.
Stunning geopolitical achievementsRight. This just isn’t true. There’s been huge and important changes all over in workers rights climate transport infrastructure investment, changing fiscal rules to allow billions more to be spent. Absolutely stunning geopolitical achievements considering what they inherited.
Ignoring all that because of WFA and benefits cuts that didn’t even happen is more than a little silly. Of course you’ve been silly about them since Corbyn crashed and burned.
This however:
Is pathetic and McSweeney needs to go because the party management is actively harming them.
Stunning geopolitical achievements
Yeah because Starmer is doing a great job.It's funny to see just how unbelievably shit Badenoch is. But yes otherwise it's a total waste of time really.
He’s nearly on par with Johnson for that.He has zero integrity - through his life he has changed opinions to try and go with what he believes is popular
He is an awful PM
He’s nearly on par with Johnson for that.
Sure. Keep telling yourself that.He's not even on the same planet never mind the same ballpark as that odious slug.
Sure. Keep telling yourself that.
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