Do you want to discuss boring politics? (27 Viewers)

Mucca Mad Boys · 2025-06-06T11:58:09+0100

Sky Blue Pete said:
As a life long socialist who has become more centre left and pragmatic as life’s challenges present themselves in reality and perception the decision to stop wfa for everyone with income of £11k or more or something like that was a massive backward step as was the inheritance tax on farmers at the level it was put at.

I’d have been happy with both of it only affected those on higher rate tax or something or at a level for farms that screwed Clarkson and Lowe and others like them who are using it for legitimate tax avoidance.

We need that market for ideas to come from sensible successful professional people who understand how to make things work.
I’ve friends who have given their working lives to govern locally and some nationally and they’re genuinely doing their best in an almost impossible job

This labour government and starmer haven’t been given a fair crack of the whip. It started before the end of the election and affected the size of their vision to tinkering rather than boldly doing things that a centre left party believes in

Labour has had a fair crack of the whip, their blunders have been almost entirely self inflicted. They haven’t even been in power for a year.

To be charitable, Labour has drawn the short straw so to speak because the electorate is that disillusioned after the successive regicidal Tory governments.

Ultimately, Labour’s landslide was built on a foundation of sand. People wanted to get rid of the tories. The main thing,

I made some posts last year that was to the effect that a Starmer led government just wasn’t equipped to deal with the challenges the country faces. Their election pitch was pretty vague, so there’s no real commitment to specific policies (hence Starmer folds under pressure and U-turns under WFA and NATO defence spending). It’s fair to say that the electorate and Labour themselves felt it couldn’t get much worse…

To quote Mick McCarthy…

SBT · 2025-06-06T12:01:52+0100

Grendel said:
Retard is a genetic insult word - same as Pikey or Gay - get over yourself.

Genetic?

Most CEOs would get reprimanded if not fired for using it publicly, I know you’ve got your regular flirtation with PVA to maintain but this forum can do without this kind of shit.

Grendel · 2025-06-06T12:02:40+0100

SBT said:
Genetic?

Most CEOs would get reprimanded if not fired for using it publicly, I know you’ve got your regular flirtation with PVA to maintain but this forum can do without this kind of shit.

Lol you know I meant Generic

Grendel · 2025-06-06T12:04:44+0100

Grendel said:
Retard is a generic insult word - same as Pikey or Gay - get over yourself.

There @SBT calm down now

PVA · 2025-06-06T12:08:05+0100

Grendel said:
Retard is a generic insult word - same as Pikey or Gay - get over yourself.

And? P**i is a 'generic insult' too, is that acceptable as well?

Actually, don't answer that.

Captain Dart · 2025-06-06T12:19:05+0100

fernandopartridge said:
Explain why it's bollocks.

Let's look at the observed demographics then:

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Show me some accurate projections or predictions from 45 years ago.

PVA · 2025-06-06T12:36:35+0100

Grendel said:
The result suggests 1 in 4 defected from the tories to reform and 1 in 6 from Labour to reform

Show your workings.

Grendel · 2025-06-06T12:44:48+0100

PVA said:
Show your workings.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/hamilton-by-election-result-sir-john-curtices-warning-for-anas-sarwar-and-how-he-rates-reform-vote-surge-5164314

Sky Blue Pete · 2025-06-06T13:07:41+0100

Grendel said:
What do you mean?

Old school politics has let us down we need straight talkers common sense speakers with easy answers

Those sheep

Sky Blue Pete · 2025-06-06T13:09:10+0100

Mucca Mad Boys said:
Labour has had a fair crack of the whip, their blunders have been almost entirely self inflicted. They haven’t even been in power for a year.

To be charitable, Labour has drawn the short straw so to speak because the electorate is that disillusioned after the successive regicidal Tory governments.

Ultimately, Labour’s landslide was built on a foundation of sand. People wanted to get rid of the tories. The main thing,

I made some posts last year that was to the effect that a Starmer led government just wasn’t equipped to deal with the challenges the country faces. Their election pitch was pretty vague, so there’s no real commitment to specific policies (hence Starmer folds under pressure and U-turns under WFA and NATO defence spending). It’s fair to say that the electorate and Labour themselves felt it couldn’t get much worse…

To quote Mick McCarthy…

Fair crack
Conservatives 14 years
Labour 10 months
Lol

Sky Blue Pete · 2025-06-06T13:11:54+0100

Mucca Mad Boys said:
Labour has had a fair crack of the whip, their blunders have been almost entirely self inflicted. They haven’t even been in power for a year.

To be charitable, Labour has drawn the short straw so to speak because the electorate is that disillusioned after the successive regicidal Tory governments.

Ultimately, Labour’s landslide was built on a foundation of sand. People wanted to get rid of the tories. The main thing,

I made some posts last year that was to the effect that a Starmer led government just wasn’t equipped to deal with the challenges the country faces. Their election pitch was pretty vague, so there’s no real commitment to specific policies (hence Starmer folds under pressure and U-turns under WFA and NATO defence spending). It’s fair to say that the electorate and Labour themselves felt it couldn’t get much worse…

To quote Mick McCarthy…

It hasn’t got worse

fernandopartridge · 2025-06-06T13:30:22+0100

shmmeee said:
You mean places where people want to live?

I’m not sure what that quote is meant to prove other than developers main job and where most value is added is currently in navigating an overly complex and restrictive planning regime rather than building houses TBH. Are you supposed to be supporting my point?

No, the quote is a developer saying that its primary function is being a land holder. It complaining about planning permission is a complaint primarily about land value, not about a blocker to building more houses.

Mucca Mad Boys · 2025-06-06T14:14:38+0100

Sky Blue Pete said:
Fair crack
Conservatives 14 years
Labour 10 months
Lol

In your honest opinion, do you feel like you’ve got what you voted for?

My personal view is that reality has hit this government hard in the face and they haven’t got what it takes to get out of the rut. They’re 1 year in and had 2 (?) resets, several U-turns and there’s even talk that Starmer may not fight the next election… it’s not looking good.

fernandopartridge · 2025-06-06T14:16:10+0100

Mucca, out of interest what do you see as the main challenges for the UK and the potential solutions

Sky Blue Pete · 2025-06-06T15:10:29+0100

Mucca Mad Boys said:
In your honest opinion, do you feel like you’ve got what you voted for?

My personal view is that reality has hit this government hard in the face and they haven’t got what it takes to get out of the rut. They’re 1 year in and had 2 (?) resets, several U-turns and there’s even talk that Starmer may not fight the next election… it’s not looking good.

I pretty much for not the Conservative Party so yes
I had hoped that a centre left party could rebuild the damage done over 9 of those 14 years of austerity, lack of investment, cronyism and hatred of experts.
I hoped that we would have a more professional grown up group of people who weren’t in it for fame or the money or to get rich or to enrich their family or friends
Maybe I hope for too much
Way too soon to judge
The full facts site is good to measure progress
No problem with changing one’s mind at all in fact it shows a willingness to admit a mistake has been made
What I don’t understand is the attack from right wing and left wing at polar opposites of the spectrum
They have no chance

rob9872 · 2025-06-06T15:38:12+0100

Huge upswing for Reform, but until there is proportional representation, it will just mean nothing but a whole bunch of 2nds and 3rds and as a Conservative voter, that hurts more. In fact those who say Starmer can't win the next election, that is no more than an example to me of why Labour can win again. Taking small parts from all actually enabled Labour to win the seat as they took SNP votes too. We're still in the first half of this Gov't before they start to give things back and pretty much do what they like. I can't see anything other than 10-15 years of Labour rule.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · 2025-06-06T16:01:28+0100

chiefdave said:
Except he wasn't. He never went away. Literally the morning after the Brexit result he was on TV moaning about it and setting up his next 'the wrong brexit' grift.

The fact is you could put a dome over the UK and not let a single person in and, as it wouldn't solve all the countries problems, you'd have the likes of Farage finding their next target. Suspect we'd first be on get all the foreigners out before they move on to first and second generation immigrants.

Only way you shut the likes of Farage up is to 'fix' the country. If people see their standard of living increasing, are able to access healthcare, see their elderly loved ones properly cared for the issue goes away.

Its not a coincidence that the popularity of people like Farage increases in times of economic hardship.

Indeed.

How can you say Farage has been 'put out of business' when his party have just swept local elections and are being touted as being serious competition at the next GE?

The rest of what he wrote sounded fine, but that bit about Farage is just nuts.

Sky Blue Pete · 2025-06-06T18:08:59+0100

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Indeed.

How can you say Farage has been 'put out of business' when his party have just swept local elections and are being touted as being serious competition at the next GE?

The rest of what he wrote sounded fine, but that bit about Farage is just nuts.

Why do people fall for it everytime?

Mucca Mad Boys · 2025-06-06T18:42:03+0100

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Indeed.

How can you say Farage has been 'put out of business' when his party have just swept local elections and are being touted as being serious competition at the next GE?

The rest of what he wrote sounded fine, but that bit about Farage is just nuts.

The operative word is ‘was’, it’s past tense.

When Farage achieved his political goals, he rode off into the sunset. His abrupt comeback last year was only possible because the government had ‘betrayed’ its 2019 coalition of voters. In fact, the reason Sunak called the election earlier was to specifically head off the challenge from a Farage and a disorganised Reform party.

The fact that Farage has made so many political comebacks is a testament that he is better equipped to tap into voters better than more mainstream politicians.

Grendel · 2025-06-06T18:58:07+0100

Sky Blue Pete said:
Why do people fall for it everytime?

Fall for what?

Sky Blue Pete · 2025-06-06T20:57:08+0100

Grendel said:
Fall for what?

Fear and blame

chiefdave · 2025-06-06T21:56:29+0100

White Britons will be in the minority in 40 years - The Nordic Times

"By the end of this century, most people on these islands will not be able to trace their roots in this country back more than one or two generations".

nordictimes.com

chiefdave · 2025-06-07T07:08:33+0100

Arrests of illegal migrant workers increase by 51% in year since Labour elected

From 5 July 2024 - the day after Labour won the election - to 31 May 2025, 6,410 people have been arrested on suspicion of working illegally in the UK, according to Home Office figures.

news.sky.com

Ccfcisparks · 2025-06-07T10:42:28+0100

chiefdave said:
Arrests of illegal migrant workers increase by 51% in year since Labour elected

From 5 July 2024 - the day after Labour won the election - to 31 May 2025, 6,410 people have been arrested on suspicion of working illegally in the UK, according to Home Office figures.

news.sky.com

Good clamp down by Starmer then

Grendel · 2025-06-07T10:45:05+0100

Sky Blue Pete said:
Fear and blame

I wish you’d explain what you mean rather than talk in riddles.

Sky Blue Pete · 2025-06-07T12:19:10+0100

Grendel said:
I wish you’d explain what you mean rather than talk in riddles.

The politics of telling you what to fear and who is to blame

tisza · 2025-06-07T12:39:08+0100

Sky Blue Pete said:
The politics of telling you what to fear and who is to blame

surely a claim that can be levelled at every political party?

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