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PVA

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  • May 30, 2025
  • #51,416
Got to admire his dedication to the grift.
 
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wingy

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  • May 30, 2025
  • #51,417
shmmeee said:
It just feels like something like the ISAs where the government matches your savings is a better proposition. Certainly while council housing is such a lottery. At least they are available to everyone if we want to reward saving for a house. But equally in a functioning housing market owning wouldn’t be so vital.
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Are they now subject to tax?
 

shmmeee

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  • May 31, 2025
  • #51,418
Sick Boy said:
I haven't said any Labour government had a policy of doing that, did I?

I wasn't the one gleefully claiming that Labour would suddenly turn left-wing once elected and then they were only getting the bad stuff out of the way first. Unsurprisingly, it turned out to be a load of crap.
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You said they’d get back to Labour values but can’t point to a Labour govt you’d like them to emulate so maybe what you think are Labour values aren’t? The idea Labour is a far left party on foreign policy historically is a nonsense if you look at literally every Labour government ever. The problem is people cherry pick the undoubtably good Labour governments do like found the NHS and ignore say the partition of India or Malaya.

Labour have always been pragmatic in foreign policy and Corbyn’s attitude has always been very much an outlier. We’ve backed our interests in the ME despite human rights abuses all the way back to Attlee rightly or wrongly.

This government have nationalised rail, pumped billions into public services, reformed workers rights, and taxed wealth more traditional domestic left wing policies than most governments of the last fifty years. Purity tests over the Middle East are hardly a sensible way of judging “Labour values”
 

Captain Dart

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  • May 31, 2025
  • #51,419
Just when you thought energy bills had stabilised another stupid net zero tax proposal raises it's ugly head.
 
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wingy

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  • May 31, 2025
  • #51,420
They're taking that now at least!.
Actually prevent you increasing your monthly amount also so I'll have a Bill to settle outside of my monthly in a month's time, it's like they want you to have a slush fund for them to use,no mate you're the business and it's you that has to take the risk,if there wasn't Risk we could all do it!
 

Captain Dart

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  • May 31, 2025
  • #51,421
And another one in the pipeline.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • May 31, 2025
  • #51,422
shmmeee said:
This government have nationalised rail, pumped billions into public services, reformed workers rights, and taxed wealth more traditional domestic left wing policies than most governments of the last fifty years. Purity tests over the Middle East are hardly a sensible way of judging “Labour values”
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They've taken over an existing regional franchise contract at its expiry. It is not nationalisation, the Tories could claim nationalisation when they ran various franchises when they were handed back by the operators. The whole structure of the railway is same as it was. The same conflicting objectives. Private ownership of rolling stock. It's a good first step but nationalisation it is not.

As for workers rights, it isn't law yet and isn't even expected to come into force until 2026. Let's see what happens as it progresses through parliament. I have no confidence in Starmer, under pressure from Reform, not folding.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • May 31, 2025
  • #51,423
Captain Dart said:
And another one in the pipeline.
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Embarrassing, Labour and their mates in the private water extortion racket
 
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wingy

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  • May 31, 2025
  • #51,424
fernandopartridge said:
Embarrassing, Labour and their mates in the private water extortion racket
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Punters got to cough up to be on this earth mate, everything you use is up for grabs,.
 

shmmeee

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  • May 31, 2025
  • #51,425
fernandopartridge said:
Embarrassing, Labour and their mates in the private water extortion racket
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What’s embarrassing is you taking any old shite the Telegraph pumps out as gospel if it slags off Labour.
 
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SBAndy

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  • May 31, 2025
  • #51,426
Captain Dart said:
And another one in the pipeline.
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“Labour in favour of water meters” is a far more boring headline.
 
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wingy

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  • May 31, 2025
  • #51,427
Times move on, the principal of the poll tax seems everywhere in its application nowadays,.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 1, 2025
  • #51,428
shmmeee said:
What’s embarrassing is you taking any old shite the Telegraph pumps out as gospel if it slags off Labour.
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The cosy relationship is long existing

Severn Trent chief proposes ‘social purpose’ water firms amid utilities crisis

Liv Garfield seeks backing from Labour for reforms as government eyes temporary renationalisation of Thames Water
www.theguardian.com

Privatised water lobbyist Angela Smith rejoined the party under Starmer
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 1, 2025
  • #51,429
SBAndy said:
“Labour in favour of water meters” is a far more boring headline.
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Yeah, what a load of shite that article is.

In fact, it's not even Labour in favour of it - the water companies are talking about introducing it and a Labour source said they were not considering it.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Jun 1, 2025
  • #51,430
Been binge watching Can't Pay we will take it away the last few days.

Really interesting and raises some interesting arguments.

One thing that shocks me, is how those in social housing are able to go without paying rent for so long. Surely if they are getting paid by the government, rather than the housing benefit money go to them, it goes straight to the landlord?

I'm not clued in on all this stuff, so if it works different apologies.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 1, 2025
  • #51,431
Ccfcisparks said:
Been binge watching Can't Pay we will take it away the last few days.

Really interesting and raises some interesting arguments.

One thing that shocks me, is how those in social housing are able to go without paying rent for so long. Surely if they are getting paid by the government, rather than the housing benefit money go to them, it goes straight to the landlord?

I'm not clued in on all this stuff, so if it works different apologies.
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It always used to be housing benefit was paid direct to landlord social housing or private
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Jun 1, 2025
  • #51,432
Sky Blue Pete said:
It always used to be housing benefit was paid direct to landlord social housing or private
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Ah interesting. Makes sense.
 
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wingy

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  • Jun 1, 2025
  • #51,433
Times move on, the principal of the poll tax seems everywhere in its application nowadays,.
PVA said:
Yeah, what a load of shite that article is.

In fact, it's not even Labour in favour of it - the water companies are talking about introducing it and a Labour source said they were not considering it.
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It'll be in by the end of term then I'd guess?
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Jun 1, 2025
  • #51,434
PVA said:
Yeah, what a load of shite that article is.

In fact, it's not even Labour in favour of it - the water companies are talking about introducing it and a Labour source said they were not considering it.
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I do think politicians are far too easily convinced (or bought) by lobbists, they are far too lazy to do any deep research and never consider long term consequences.

Ps Water firms ask for bill rises of between 24% and 91%
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 1, 2025
  • #51,435
Ccfcisparks said:
Been binge watching Can't Pay we will take it away the last few days.

Really interesting and raises some interesting arguments.

One thing that shocks me, is how those in social housing are able to go without paying rent for so long. Surely if they are getting paid by the government, rather than the housing benefit money go to them, it goes straight to the landlord?

I'm not clued in on all this stuff, so if it works different apologies.
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If they get housing benefit and haven’t had it stopped for some reason like a sanction or earning too much one week. The people I know with housing debt it’s usually something like that.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jun 1, 2025
  • #51,436
fernandopartridge said:
The cosy relationship is long existing

Severn Trent chief proposes ‘social purpose’ water firms amid utilities crisis

Liv Garfield seeks backing from Labour for reforms as government eyes temporary renationalisation of Thames Water
www.theguardian.com

Privatised water lobbyist Angela Smith rejoined the party under Starmer
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Just another example of a long list of Labour being totally detached from its traditional roots.

They deserve everything coming to them in next few years.
 
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wingy

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  • Jun 1, 2025
  • #51,437
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Just another example of a long list of Labour being totally detached from its old roots.

They deserve everything coming to them in next few years.
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It won't and wouldn't be any different from any of the others or at least not at this point.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jun 1, 2025
  • #51,438
wingy said:
It won't and wouldn't be any different from any of the others or at least not at this point.
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Spot on. That critique applies equally to the Tories which is why the idea they’re the ‘omni-party’ or ‘two cheeks on the sam arse’ prevails.

Conservative minded voters felt the Tories in power were a ‘Blairite’ continuation and not at all right wing and currently have the exact same phenomenon right now with this Labour government.
 
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The Philosopher

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  • Jun 1, 2025
  • #51,439
Sky Blue Pete said:
It always used to be housing benefit was paid direct to landlord social housing or private
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It’s changed. It now goes to the benefit claimant who should then pay to landlord. It may shock some to learn that often the temptation to hold on to the money is often too great for tenants in receipt of benefits.

There’s a two month rule: ie, the tenant gets 2 months behind and the landlord can apply to the gov for direct payment rather than evict.

Result: tenants often get two months behind.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 1, 2025
  • #51,440
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Just another example of a long list of Labour being totally detached from its traditional roots.

They deserve everything coming to them in next few years.
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Water companies existing is proof Labour are detached from their roots?

You guys crack me up.
 
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wingy

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  • Jun 2, 2025
  • #51,441
Wait till they sell it by the pint mate.
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 2, 2025
  • #51,442
Genuinely had Starmer gone mad? He seems to be saying we need to prepare for war.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jun 2, 2025
  • #51,443
shmmeee said:
Water companies existing is proof Labour are detached from their roots?

You guys crack me up.
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No and you just don’t get it.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 2, 2025
  • #51,444
Ccfcisparks said:
Been binge watching Can't Pay we will take it away the last few days.

Really interesting and raises some interesting arguments.

One thing that shocks me, is how those in social housing are able to go without paying rent for so long. Surely if they are getting paid by the government, rather than the housing benefit money go to them, it goes straight to the landlord?

I'm not clued in on all this stuff, so if it works different apologies.
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It's paid to the recipient which imo is right. The entitlement to housing benefit is not the landlord's, their private rental agreement with a tenant is theirs to enforce not the job of the government. Also, looking at it another way, it gives tenants the right to withhold rent (where they've got legitimate reasons for doing so).
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jun 2, 2025
  • #51,445
fernandopartridge said:
It's paid to the recipient which imo is right. The entitlement to housing benefit is not the landlord's, their private rental agreement with a tenant is theirs to enforce not the job of the government. Also, looking at it another way, it gives tenants the right to withhold rent (where they've got legitimate reasons for doing so).
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As you describe it there, I agree. Iirc, a dimension of paying their money to recipients was to give them more responsibility handling their money. Similarly, why they paid UC monthly as opposed to weekly. Seems a trivial reason to be honest.

On the flip side, whether people like it or not, if the landlords are increasingly out of pocket, they’ll take houses off the market and this can increase prices and/or restrict access in the first place. Whether we like it or not, private landlords are needed to provide housing.

There’s a balancing act, sure. On principle, its fundamentally wrong if people are increasingly in receipt of housing benefits and not actually using the money to pay their housing bills.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Jun 2, 2025
  • #51,446
Mucca Mad Boys said:
As you describe it there, I agree. Iirc, a dimension of paying their money to recipients was to give them more responsibility handling their money. Similarly, why they paid UC monthly as opposed to weekly. Seems a trivial reason to be honest.

On the flip side, whether people like it or not, if the landlords are increasingly out of pocket, they’ll take houses off the market and this can increase prices and/or restrict access in the first place. Whether we like it or not, private landlords are needed to provide housing.

There’s a balancing act, sure. On principle, its fundamentally wrong if people are increasingly in receipt of housing benefits and not actually using the money to pay their housing bills.
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Personally think there should be a cap on how many properties an individual can rent, as well as them being struck off from being able to rent if they are found of not keeping up their properties.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jun 2, 2025
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Ccfcisparks said:
Personally think there should be a cap on how many properties an individual can rent, as well as them being struck off from being able to rent if they are found of not keeping up their properties.
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I don’t think caps of this nature are ever a good idea.

The root cause of the ‘housing crisis’ is not because of landlords. It’s a supply and demand issue and we have systematically been unable to keep up with the increased demand for more houses that comes with a rapidly expanding population.

Successive governments have tried various approaches to meet the 300,000 house building targets and all have failed.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 2, 2025
  • #51,448
fernandopartridge said:
It's paid to the recipient which imo is right. The entitlement to housing benefit is not the landlord's, their private rental agreement with a tenant is theirs to enforce not the job of the government. Also, looking at it another way, it gives tenants the right to withhold rent (where they've got legitimate reasons for doing so).
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That’s a good point actually
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 2, 2025
  • #51,449
Your time is here for the war enthusiasts

 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jun 2, 2025
  • #51,450
fernandopartridge said:
Your time is here for the war enthusiasts

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Yet refuses to set a target of when to meet the 3% defence spending… does anyone take anything he says seriously?
 
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