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Do you want to discuss boring politics? (22 Viewers)

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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 18, 2021
  • #4,761
Grendel said:
Probably as he doesn’t believe in their politics what you are trying to create is a belief that Labour aren’t good enough to govern so whore your principals to any non Tory that may win a seat
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Well no I’m talking about places where Labour won’t win but a few thousand votes directed to the non Tory is enough to win. This has been common enough in Scotland with anti-SNP tactical voting for years. I don’t want the Tories in government, I don’t really care which of Lab/Lib/Grn replaces them where I live
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 18, 2021
  • #4,762
Interesting thread:
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 18, 2021
  • #4,763
shmmeee said:
I won’t vote for science deniers or Tories, I’m a rational left winger

Both would and have side against Labour when push came to shove. (Coalition and Scotland for two recent examples).

Greens are anti GMO and anti Nuclear which makes them pro climate change and hunger. Plus they have a member created manifesto which is just batshit.

Lib Dem’s are the worst of all worlds, overly woke nonsense mixed with soft Tory economics. Lala land all round.
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At least their candidate had more to tell me than their being a Corbynista
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 18, 2021
  • #4,764
Brighton Sky Blue said:
At least their candidate had more to tell me than their being a Corbynista
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Locally go for who you like but nationally both hate Labour more than the Tories. There’s no winning strategy for Labour that involves handing them seats.
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Jun 18, 2021
  • #4,765
shmmeee said:
Locally go for who you like but nationally both hate Labour more than the Tories. There’s no winning strategy for Labour that involves handing them seats.
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However, you seem to be doing this better than ever before.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 18, 2021
  • #4,766
shmmeee said:
You need to take a step back. What’s happening is a demographic realignment and bugger all to do with any of the leaders.

If Labour want to survive it, they need to become either anti woke or much more pro business and NIMBY.

I suspect we’ll end up with the national socialism (in name only) of the Tories and the international neoliberalism of the Lib Dem’s while the Greens and Labour fight it out for the 20% student vote.

Personally I don’t think the Tories have either the wit nor the capacity to hold onto the left wing economic vote. Ultimately they are donor driven not member driven and their new voters like all voters will demand their material needs are met and they’ll have to pick between the voters and the donors. Johnson is a very special Tory and he hasn’t the energy to last like Blair or Thatcher did. What comes next on all sides will be very interesting.
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To be honest a lot of that's gone over my head but what I do know is there's a growing perception that Labour are becoming an irrelevance, Starmer needs to act to stop it before its too deeply rooted.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 18, 2021
  • #4,767
shmmeee said:
Locally go for who you like but nationally both hate Labour more than the Tories. There’s no winning strategy for Labour that involves handing them seats.
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Given that Labour will never win a GE again, the next best option is as many non Tories as possible in the Commons. The realignment taking place only benefits the blue side
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Jun 18, 2021
  • #4,768
Come on guys, don't swallow this shite about realignment. It's about Labour abandoning their core vote to grasp at the centre-ground and failing miserably, and then their core vote going elsewhere giving huge losses to the party.
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Jun 18, 2021
  • #4,769
Happened in Scotland and now happening in the North and Midlands.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 18, 2021
  • #4,770
Philosorapter said:
Come on guys, don't swallow this shite about realignment. It's about Labour abandoning their core vote to grasp at the centre-ground and failing miserably, and then their core vote going elsewhere giving huge losses to the party.
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Ah yes their core vote of *checks notes* Amersham. Where they have come second a grand total of *squints at notes again* once, with 21% of the vote, in the Brexit election which was a two horse race.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 18, 2021
  • #4,771
Philosorapter said:
Happened in Scotland and now happening in the North and Midlands.
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True Northerners in Buckinghamshire. Real salt of the earth.
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 18, 2021
  • #4,772
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Given that Labour will never win a GE again
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Extraordinary
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 18, 2021
  • #4,773
Grendel said:
Extraordinary
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Do you see it happening in your lifetime? How do they suddenly flip 100 seats when the previous heartlands are lost?
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 18, 2021
  • #4,774
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Do you see it happening in your lifetime? How do they suddenly flip 100 seats when the previous heartlands are lost?
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Well the Tories did
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 18, 2021
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Having been to Amersham a few times (nice place, nice pub!), my biggest surprise is that Labour ever came second in a consituency there, at all.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 18, 2021
  • #4,776
Grendel said:
Well the Tories did
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What is the path to Labour winning? Because from where I'm standing, Scotland is lost for good, the North isn't coming back any time soon which leaves Wales, London and some parts of the Midlands. The party isn't exactly going to make inroads in North East Somerset
 

SBAndy

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  • Jun 18, 2021
  • #4,777
Brighton Sky Blue said:
What is the path to Labour winning? Because from where I'm standing, Scotland is lost for good, the North isn't coming back any time soon which leaves Wales, London and some parts of the Midlands. The party isn't exactly going to make inroads in North East Somerset
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Why is Scotland lost for good? You’re bound to know an awful lot more than me on this, but I think it’s probably where they could make the most inroads (aside from flipping back the ‘red wall’).
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 18, 2021
  • #4,778
Another reminder that half the country is ignored in culture way debates:

 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 18, 2021
  • #4,779
SBAndy said:
Why is Scotland lost for good? You’re bound to know an awful lot more than me on this, but I think it’s probably where they could make the most inroads (aside from flipping back the ‘red wall’).
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Because Labour in Scotland is trying to appeal to left wing unionists, which is always going to be a small chunk of the electorate. By and large most Scottish lefties are for independence while most unionists are inclined to be Conservative. It's pretty much just Rangers fans left voting Labour up there, with some leafy Edinburgh surbubanites thrown in
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Jun 18, 2021
  • #4,780

Tory MP Imran Ahmad Khan accused of sexually assaulting 15-year-old boy

MP for Wakefield, who is facing trial over allegations of groping teenager in 2008, can now be named after reporting restrictions lifted
www.telegraph.co.uk

Not a great look.
 

Ian1779

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  • Jun 18, 2021
  • #4,781
Skybluefaz said:

Tory MP Imran Ahmad Khan accused of sexually assaulting 15-year-old boy

MP for Wakefield, who is facing trial over allegations of groping teenager in 2008, can now be named after reporting restrictions lifted
www.telegraph.co.uk

Not a great look.
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Right now that’s probably CON +2
 
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Grendel

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  • Jun 18, 2021
  • #4,782
Ian1779 said:
Right now that’s probably CON +2
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Not really a party political thing is it
 
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wingy

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  • Jun 18, 2021
  • #4,783
Anyone remember this , was it Cordoza?

"Northampton Town: Seven people charged in missing loan probe - BBC News" Seven people charged in missing loan probe - BBC News
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 18, 2021
  • #4,784
Grendel said:
Not really a party political thing is it
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No its not. Not a subject to be point scoring on really
 

Ian1779

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  • Jun 18, 2021
  • #4,785
Grendel said:
Not really a party political thing is it
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No maybe not to be fair…
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Jun 19, 2021
  • #4,786
Labour said goodbye to people.

 

Skybluefaz

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  • Jun 19, 2021
  • #4,787
 

SBAndy

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  • Jun 19, 2021
  • #4,788
Skybluefaz said:
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Isn’t crime already banned? That’s why it’s crime? I don’t know, this edgy virgin obviously knows his onions.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 19, 2021
  • #4,789
SBAndy said:
Isn’t crime already banned? That’s why it’s crime? I don’t know, this edgy virgin obviously knows his onions.
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He is not a clever man.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 19, 2021
  • #4,790
Never forget:

 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 19, 2021
  • #4,791
shmmeee said:
He is not a clever man.
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Behind the bastards deep dive into his book is worth a listen.
 

chiefdave

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  • Jun 19, 2021
  • #4,792
Philosorapter said:
Labour said goodbye to people.

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They only did their latest relaunch on Wednesday which presumably those two would have had a big hand in.
 
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wingy

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  • Jun 19, 2021
  • #4,793
"NI Protocol: Historian’s warning from 1921 about instability and violence in 2021 | Belfast News Letter" NI Protocol: Historian’s warning from 1921 about instability and violence in 2021
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • Jun 19, 2021
  • #4,794
shmmeee said:
Never forget:

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Strange to think that in 200 years house prices will be determined by how many metres they are above sea level. The Midlands should be a boom centre, although the south east side of Coventry will be under water.

England topographic map, elevation, terrain

Average elevation: 55 m • England, United Kingdom • England's topography is characterized by a diverse landscape that transitions from low-lying plains to rugged uplands. In the north and west, the terrain is dominated by mountain ranges such as the Pennines, often referred to as the "backbone...
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wingy

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  • Jun 19, 2021
  • #4,795
"Some furloughed workers do not want to return, Andrea Leadsom says - BBC News" Some furloughed workers do not want to return - MP - BBC News
 
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