Eccles and Hamer do get forward but they are a lot more disciplined than Hamer was. They choose when to get forward, the issue with Hamer is he doesn't and just goes forward.Hamer wasn’t a bad defender and it was never the case that we played 3 CBs to allow Hamer and Sheaf to play together. Hamer is not a CAM and has alway been a CM who is good on and off the ball.
The way Eccles and Sheaf get forward in the current system goes against the claim Hamer couldn’t play with Sheaf in our current midfield. Frankly, we’re a more attacking outfit and Hamer would add to that.
This is just silly talk now. Hamer is a better player than both Sheaf and Eccles and we could play any formation and he’d be selected to play.
It is just his reaction when I replied with a sensible reply to his "4 defenders" comment.He genuinely hasn't got a clue
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I'm not Boosh.Surreal thread. Boosh in his multiple identities talking to himself, with the occasional genuine post discussing where Gus might fit back in.
That's true but the thread title was "Do we miss him", I argue we do not based purely on results.
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I agree with that but I would add we miss Gyokeres more than Hamer. Our midfield would certainly be enhanced by Hamer but without him it is still effective. We miss Gyokers' strength, skill and ability to occupy defenders far more.We have differing interpretations of what the question means I suppose.
My interpretation of the question is: would we be a better team with him? I think we’d both agree on that answer being yes.
Your interpretation, as I understand it, is more performance based. In which case, I agree on two points:
1) The transfer revenue generated by Hamer and Gyokeres has enabled us to strengthen the team as a whole and in the medium-long term.
2) As a result, our performances and league position reflect this overall strengthening of the team.
I still hold the belief that we miss attributes that Hamer brought to the table. Particularly, we miss a CM that can get forward as well as launching attacks with deep passes. Hopefully, Victor Torp fits that profile and can make an impact in the Championship.
I didn't accuse you of anything.I'm not Boosh.
Is this a SBT thing? Scare off new posters and users by accusing them of being Boosh?
OkI didn't accuse you of anything.
Eccles and Hamer do get forward but they are a lot more disciplined than Hamer was. They choose when to get forward, the issue with Hamer is he doesn't and just goes forward.
He's a great player but if we played with him we'd likely have to move from a double pivot to a single pivot allowing him to operate more as an 8 than one of the 2 6's we play now.
I agree with that but I would add we miss Gyokeres more than Hamer. Our midfield would certainly be enhanced by Hamer but without him it is still effective. We miss Gyokers' strength, skill and ability to occupy defenders far more.
I’ll give you set pieces but Sheaf isn’t far behind Hamer in a lot else - if at all. We’d miss Sheaf a good deal more than Hamer.
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I miss him
Let it go.If only lol
He is often there TBFSeen on Transfer Rumour page that he has been seen by some fellas missus walking into the Ricoh with King and Robins and has accepted a loan until the end of the season with an option to buy at the end of it.
Do not know how true it is but you might not be missing him for much longer
Transfer targets
I mean it won't happen, but part of me would love it if we did sign Conway, Clarke etc, just to watch slowpoke's redemptionwww.skybluestalk.co.uk
Much of the play was through home created by him rather than the team?That’s down to what exactly? Using that logic, we’re a better team with Simms/Godden upfront than Gyokeres. Which I’m sure we can both agree is simply not true.
We’ve changed formation and improved our team across the board. Had we kept Hamer, he’d be the first name on the team sheet and we’d be better team than we are now.
I’ll be back is what it should read
Would he have helped us defensively? We are scoring goals regularly but conceding way too many. Pretty sure Hamer's best performances came when he moved further forward when we lost Ohare and had Sheaf and Kelly/Eccles behind himI wonder if people would change their opinions now?
This negative run against Top half teams (Norwich, PNE and WBA) may suggest that perhaps our midfield isn’t as good as people believe.
Not a chance. He’s played CM more or less the whole time.Would he have helped us defensively? We are scoring goals regularly but conceding way too many. Pretty sure Hamer's best performances came when he moved further forward when we lost Ohare and had Sheaf and Kelly/Eccles behind him
Good grief!! You seriously think our forwards are better this season than Gyokeres?Not a chance. He’s played CM more or less the whole time.
We played more directly with Hamer because he had the quality to launch counter attacks from deep. Every time we tried it last night the passes were mostly intercepted or too strong/weak to our forwards.
Hamer was no slacker defensively either, I don’t get where this narrative has come from since he left? Our defensive record was a lot stronger last season.
Central midfield is unequivocally the only position that isn’t stronger than it was last season. Even in the striker position, we had nothing besides Gyokeres and it was lucky he and Hamer stayed fit last season.
Hamer has something that the likes of Eccles, Torp (so far), Sheaf and COH (to a lesser extent): the ability to drag us through games.
was that defensive record down to hamer or because Doyle Mcnally and Mcfadzean was a much better unit than Thomas Latabadieure Binks/Kitching ?Not a chance. He’s played CM more or less the whole time.
We played more directly with Hamer because he had the quality to launch counter attacks from deep. Every time we tried it last night the passes were mostly intercepted or too strong/weak to our forwards.
Hamer was no slacker defensively either, I don’t get where this narrative has come from since he left? Our defensive record was a lot stronger last season.
Central midfield is unequivocally the only position that isn’t stronger than it was last season. Even in the striker position, we had nothing besides Gyokeres and it was lucky he and Hamer stayed fit last season.
Hamer has something that the likes of Eccles, Torp (so far), Sheaf and COH (to a lesser extent): the ability to drag us through games.
No, obviously not. The fact we don’t have Maguire or Walker as backup options is progress.Good grief!! You seriously think our forwards are better this season than Gyokeres?
Is now a good time to bring up that Wright and Simms have more goals this season than Gyokeres in 49 games?Good grief!! You seriously think our forwards are better this season than Gyokeres?
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