SISU should drop their demands for the freehold, and in exchange should be offered a peppercorn rent. The club should also be given access to 50% off revenue which the club brings into ACL. That includes F&B's, parking,naming rights and general sponsorship.
Both parties, and the fans, need to realise that the sides need each other for both the club and ACL to be a success. This would also make the club more attractive to a potential buyer.
Spot on. How in earth can anyone serious expect the owners of a business to pay for another business than quadruples in value purely due to them.
No one will do it. Ultimately both sides will die off.
SISU should drop their demands for the freehold, and in exchange should be offered a peppercorn rent. The club should also be given access to 50% off revenue which the club brings into ACL. That includes F&B's, parking,naming rights and general sponsorship.
Question...
The club sold it rights to F&B revenues when it sold its stake in ACL to The higgs. If they struck a new rent deal, would they still not be entitled to any or would they be treated like a new customer.
If say London wasps took on the tenancy would they get the revenues they generate or would ACL keep them all?
Spot on. How in earth can anyone serious expect the owners of a business to pay for another business than quadruples in value purely due to them.
No one will do it. Ultimately both sides will die off.
Can you show me where I always stick up for SISU?
Above ?
It's a move in the right direction because we needed to get Sisu back to reality.
Once they get the fact that the Ricoh is not for sale and ACL is not distressed they will need to operate more business like.
ACL/CCC may have charged an unaffordable rent, that the club agreed too, but they have made steps to address this by reducing it considerable.
I'm sure that once back to reality Sisu can come to some lease arrangement and perhaps ACL can provide an olive branch and factor in the incremental revenues, that they have not had for a year, but are clearly critical to the club.
I feel positive that Sisu have had a go at plan A and need now to discuss Plan B sensibly.
I also feel that both ACL and SISU need to change the management structure so we don't deal with personnel regarded as responsible for this sorry affair.
Question...
The club sold it rights to F&B revenues when it sold its stake in ACL to The higgs. If they struck a new rent deal, would they still not be entitled to any or would they be treated like a new customer.
If say London wasps took on the tenancy would they get the revenues they generate or would ACL keep them all?
I'd like to think that a sensible deal can be reached, but we really need to drill a bit deeper than "revenues" as that term covers a very wide range of solutions. Ironically, if the club publicly asked for, say, 100% of matchday revenue from the bowl, most would probably back them. But they've never publicly stated what it is they actually want, leaving those who agree with the reasoning to fit the idea around their own thoughts. It's far from clear that what you and I think of as "revenues" are the same as what Joy is asking for.
About as reasonably as you can do a deal then demand a whole load of concessions after you have messed up your own business, saying "we need t his, we need that, to be viable" without offering anything in exchange - SISU sound like they believe the Ricoh is theirs by right and their petulance is matched only by yours. I
'll be having champagne tonight to celebrate the JR verdict - up yours!
True, but that's a more sensible question to ask than just stating a flat-out 'no'.
One could indeed argue a lack of an answer to such a question would be a reason to refuse to back...
Celebrating a court case that has fuck all to do with you. Wow your life must be a barrel of excitement. Get a grip man.
now sat in bed with my girlfriend drinking champagne and eating milk tray.
Yeah you could argue both ways, and yeah the council should want the club back, etc. etc. but ultimately, it's Sisu's job to (should I say it?) "pick up the phone" here. They're the ones playing coy as to what they want. If something's not got a price tag on, you ask, you don't stand there until the work experience kid comes round with the labeller.
It is a barrel of excitement actually, just got back from Madrid for 5 days to hear the best news in years regarding CCFC, now sat in bed with my girlfriend drinking champagne and eating milk tray. What are you doing, having a cup of ovaltine and a crank?
It is a barrel of excitement actually, just got back from Madrid for 5 days to hear the best news in years regarding CCFC, now sat in bed with my girlfriend drinking champagne and eating milk tray. What are you doing, having a cup of ovaltine and a crank?
It is a barrel of excitement actually, just got back from Madrid for 5 days to hear the best news in years regarding CCFC, now sat in bed with my girlfriend drinking champagne and eating milk tray. What are you doing, having a cup of ovaltine and a crank?
Let's be honest, London Wasps won't be asking for the unencumbered freehold or access to revenue from the other ventures, all while trying to bankrupt the arena.
Lucas seemed fairly clear to me from the O'Connor interview, and ACL's public position at least has always been that the club can buy the revenues back, as they sold the rights to them.
A new tenant coming wouldn't be so stupid as to sell off the rights I'd imagine.
I'd like to think that a sensible deal can be reached, but we really need to drill a bit deeper than "revenues" as that term covers a very wide range of solutions. Ironically, if the club publicly asked for, say, 100% of matchday revenue from the bowl, most would probably back them. But they've never publicly stated what it is they actually want, leaving those who agree with the reasoning to fit the idea around their own thoughts. It's far from clear that what you and I think of as "revenues" are the same as what Joy is asking for.
Benefits Britain. I'm paying taxes for the likes of you swanning off to Spain and eating poundshop chocolates IN BED.
Eating Milk Tray?
Christ I assume the champagne is babycham.
The best news in years??? I think you may have had 1 too many champers all ready.
...and posting on skybluetalk.
Living the dream!
Eh? I pay taxes too via my respectable job - trip to Spain ispart of my holiday entitlement!
nope, £30 out of Sainsbury's - I'm not a total girl!
Tell me something better that has happened since 2001.
The sequencing of the Human Genome?
SISU should drop their demands for the freehold, and in exchange should be offered a peppercorn rent. The club should also be given access to 50% off revenue which the club brings into ACL. That includes F&B's, parking,naming rights and general sponsorship.
Both parties, and the fans, need to realise that the sides need each other for both the club and ACL to be a success. This would also make the club more attractive to a potential buyer.
She tolerates my general rantings about Joy/SISU/Tim ... from everything i have shown her about it, her view is that Tim is "a comedy douche"
You talk about to your girlfriend about this crap?!
To be fair, she has to force herself to be tolerant ... she once told me "if you keep talking at me about bloody Sisu Capital, you'll be a distressed asset!"
Then please show me where I stuck up for and praised sisu.
I was also highly critical of them for employing Thorn, whilst the majority on here though he was 'the next big thing' and let them get away with it for too long.
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