Dion Dublin (1 Viewer)

[Astute]

and the Club is now far better run then in Dublin's day. Very strong management team from the Board to the manager.
We need to become sustainable and yes there is pain before the gain.

More like run very badly at both times.

The big difference is one ran us badly trying to make the club successful. The other is running our club very badly trying to get a big return for the investors.

 

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[Astute]

Agree we shouldn't be playing in Northampton, but that's got nothing to do with Dublin refusing to play. You're just trying to deflect criticism from him. We get it you like Dublin. He was a brilliant player, no doubt about it, but the way he refused to play in a match was inexcusable. No player at any club should do that. We travelled down to Luton midweek to see our team play. He decided he didn't want to turn up and wear the shirt.

Sorry Torch but can't agree with you. Richardson gets the blame from me. As I said earlier I was as pissed off as anyone at the time, but looked at it differently as the truth started to come out. I am nowhere near alone in this matter either.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Stafford_SkBlue ...and the Club is now far better run then in Dublin's day. Very strong management team from the Board to the manager............................................................Lmfao, does that pain mean relegation, being taken away from our City, and no backing unless the player coming in is a loanee, or a "Free" and telling everyone that CCFC owe SISU £70m+............BO**OCKS!

 

[Grendel]

@ Torchy....I also remember Thorne saying "We've got Turner to come back in the next few days" yet I said 2 weeks beforehand that Turner would never wear a Sky Blue shirt again...I was right.... He was sold to Cardiff shortly afterwards.I wonder who's decision it was not to play him again??? Thorn..Turner...or SISU? Of course nothing like what Dublin did ever happens does it?

Turner wouldn't have been in the team. Thorn publically stated keogh and Cranie were his first choice centre halves. Given they also had wood earning a fortune and McPake he was always going to be sold.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Grendel.............................Link please.

 

[covcity4life]

Prob fav player ever for me.


Ccfc legend

Leon clarke is gaining though!

 

[Rusty Trombone]

Turner wouldn't have been in the team. Thorn publically stated keogh and Cranie were his first choice centre halves. Given they also had wood earning a fortune and McPake he was always going to be sold.

Mr G, I wonder what your views are on Thorn, you never normally mention him.

 

[The Gentleman]

Totally irrelevant. Nothing to do with our current situation. At the time we were in the Premiership, playing in Coventry in our own ground. Dublin refused to play. No excuses.

Totally irrelevant how ? you said "one simple fact, he refused to play", could be one simple fact that could stop players turning out at Sixfields. Whether in the premiership or the conference, if a player/s were to make a stance for something that they believed in after they had been treated like shit, how can anybody blame them. You still didn't answer the question though, would you find it unforgivable if our current players refused to play saying that they had enough of playing home games in a shed compared to a decent stadium, or don't you want Nick coming on calling you a hypocrite ?

 

[Grendel]

Totally irrelevant how ? you said "one simple fact, he refused to play", could be one simple fact that could stop players turning out at Sixfields. Whether in the premiership or the conference, if a player/s were to make a stance for something that they believed in after they had been treated like shit, how can anybody blame them. You still didn't answer the question though, would you find it unforgivable if our current players refused to play saying that they had enough of playing home games in a shed compared to a decent stadium, or don't you want Nick coming on calling you a hypocrite ?

The players aren't being treated like shit they are being paid and that's all they care about. I would say team spirit appears stronger now than it has since relegation from the premiership.

 

[Rusty Trombone]

Totally irrelevant how ? you said "one simple fact, he refused to play", could be one simple fact that could stop players turning out at Sixfields. Whether in the premiership or the conference, if a player/s were to make a stance for something that they believed in after they had been treated like shit, how can anybody blame them. You still didn't answer the question though, would you find it unforgivable if our current players refused to play saying that they had enough of playing home games in a shed compared to a decent stadium, or don't you want Nick coming on calling you a hypocrite ?

I don't recall him being treated badly, are you suggesting he was? My recollection of the events is that he refused to play, and then when he was deducted his pay, he got the PFA involved. He still remains one of the greatest players I have seen play for us, shame this event happened though.

 

[The Gentleman]

The players aren't being treated like shit they are being paid and that's all they care about. I would say team spirit appears stronger now than it has since relegation from the premiership.

Being forced to play 35 miles from home, in front of shit crowds, in a shit atmosphere, in a shit ground, on a shit pitch in my eyes is being treated like shit, you may call it team building. The team spirit is very good and I put a lot of that on Steven Pressley and the rest on the team itself. I will give fuck all to the Owners because they deserve fuck all.

 

[torchomatic]

Yes it is totally irrelevant. We were talking about an event years ago that has absolutely NOTHING to do with our current situation. It is only being brought up by you and Astute to deflect criticism away from Dublin. And would I support a strike by the players now as we play in Northampton? Probably would actually because of our current situation. Dublin was greedy and selfish. A player who was earning £2oK a week refused to pull on the jersey. You and Astute and others maybe happy with that, but I'm not and neither were the others who'd travelled. Refusing to play is unforgivable. I would imagine if McSheff or one of the other boo boy favourites had done the same then the attitude of some would be different.

A player who refuses to play deserves no respect in my book.

Totally irrelevant how ? you said "one simple fact, he refused to play", could be one simple fact that could stop players turning out at Sixfields. Whether in the premiership or the conference, if a player/s were to make a stance for something that they believed in after they had been treated like shit, how can anybody blame them. You still didn't answer the question though, would you find it unforgivable if our current players refused to play saying that they had enough of playing home games in a shed compared to a decent stadium, or don't you want Nick coming on calling you a hypocrite ?

 

[torchomatic]

Why? Did he tell Dublin not to bother turning up? Was poor little Dion struggling on his £20K? I don't particularly care if your are "near alone on this matter" or not. Did you travel down that night to Luton?

Each to their own, of course, but he lost all respect from me for doing that. It's easy to blame other people. Dublin was his own man who made up his own mind. "I am not going to pull that shirt on and play for the club who pay my wages tonight".

Sorry Torch but can't agree with you. Richardson gets the blame from me. As I said earlier I was as pissed off as anyone at the time, but looked at it differently as the truth started to come out. I am nowhere near alone in this matter either.

 

[ohitsaidwalker king power]

Why? Did he tell Dublin not to bother turning up? Was poor little Dion struggling on his £20K? I don't particularly care if your are "near alone on this matter" or not. Did you travel down that night to Luton?

Each to their own, of course, but he lost all respect from me for doing that. It's easy to blame other people. Dublin was his own man who made up his own mind. "I am not going to pull that shirt on and play for the club who pay my wages tonight".

I got to be honest Dion was a great player for us... but after refusing to play that night.. lost all my respect... I struggle not to see past that issue when he's on TV and find myself hissing at him (yes a grown man of 47) for this action alone.
Lots of goals, saved our bacon many times I agree Stu... but his actions that night are difficult to forgive for me.

 

[Covstu]

The current situation is absolutely incomparable to the DD issue so an irrelevant argument IMO. I was at Luton that night when we heard he was not playing and was pissed off but in hindsight I wouldn't want anyone playing who had been sold and their heart not in it anymore.

 

[The Gentleman]

Yes it is totally irrelevant. We were talking about an event years ago that has absolutely NOTHING to do with our current situation. It is only being brought up by you and Astute to deflect criticism away from Dublin. And would I support a strike by the players now as we play in Northampton? Probably would actually because of our current situation. Dublin was greedy and selfish. A player who was earning £2oK a week refused to pull on the jersey. You and Astute and others maybe happy with that, but I'm not and neither were the others who'd travelled. Refusing to play is unforgivable. I would imagine if McSheff or one of the other boo boy favourites had done the same then the attitude of some would be different.

A player who refuses to play deserves no respect in my book.

Ok, firstly can you tell where in my posts I said Dublin was a god or a Cov great or that I defended him or tried to deflect anything. I was merely asking a question to see if indeed you would back a player who refused to play. You sign off by saying that "a player who refuses to play deserves no respect in your book" but earlier in your post you would support a player of our team not pulling on a shirt. Regardless of the circumstances, what you said was hypocritical because I am sure everybody has reasons for doing things that some might perceive as wrong but it is their choice. What grates though is that you and others come on here and have a go at people for being hypocritical when you have been too but you and others like you think that you have some sort of moral high ground.

Secondly, I always thought Dublin was a great player for us but was pissed off when he went to Villa, so any chance of him being a legend went in my eyes (yes the fickleness of a football fan) and I did smile when I heard he had a slap in the toilets of the Holyhead after he had signed for Villa (wasn't there so cannot confirm).

 

[rob9872]

Annoyed at the way he left, but the greatest service to the club by any player in my time watching the city and nobody even comes close.

 

[The Gentleman]

Annoyed at the way he left, but the greatest service to the club by any player in my time watching the city and nobody even comes close.

The players I loved were Dave Phillips, Trevor Peake and Brian Burrows, all three were very underrated in my opinion. With regard to Dublin, for a comparison I thought Regis was an all round better forward (Dublin was probably an all round better player due to defensive ability) and will never forget that night he hit the bar with that long range header which someone else tapped in to beat Forest in that 4-3 thriller in a midweek game.

 

[Spionkop]

Recall the night at Luton. It could have been six for them. Also recall the City fans barracking Brightwell the whole game. Thousands of them behind the goal. It was shameful to listen to.
Dion? Massive player for us. Nothing but praise for his contribution to our cause.
He got transferred to Villa? So what. They're just another club.
The club management of the time were trying to force Dublin to go where he didn't want to go. I don't blame him for standing his ground.
Absolute legend in the top division for us. And he always speaks well of us on tv.

 

[Grendel]

The players I loved were Dave Phillips, Trevor Peake and Brian Burrows, all three were very underrated in my opinion. With regard to Dublin, for a comparison I thought Regis was an all round better forward (Dublin was probably an all round better player due to defensive ability) and will never forget that night he hit the bar with that long range header which someone else tapped in to beat Forest in that 4-3 thriller in a midweek game.

I always thought forwards were primarily there to score goals. Regis' contribution is hugely over rated if you assess is whole time at the club. He averaged around 1 goal every 5 games and in the first two seasons at the club was dire.

 

[DazzleTommyDazzle]

I always thought forwards were primarily there to score goals. Regis' contribution is hugely over rated if you assess is whole time at the club. He averaged around 1 goal every 5 games and in the first two seasons at the club was dire.

Statistically that's true, but in my view was down to (primarily) Don Mackay playing him as a target man, which was not his real game.

 

[Skybluerevolution (Pt2)]

Dion is a hero to me. Yes he left us to go to Villa. Yes he had a clause in his contract. Yes he refused to play against Luton in the cup once the deal was done and he was more or less a Villa player. Otherwise can anyone fault him in any way at all.

2 relevant points & unfortunately because of the above he will never be a legend. IMO.

 

[Grendel]

Statistically that's true, but in my view was down to (primarily) Don Mackay playing him as a target man, which was not his real game.

That's of course true. It was Gould as much as Mackay. In pretty sure in his first season he netted against WBA and went about 23 games before scoring again against Southampton.

The point is Dublin played his part throughout his career. Managers can make an impact. You see that to a much lesser extent with Pressley working on fleck. If thorn was still flecks manager fleck would still look the washed up figure he was last season.

Moving back to Dublin people seem to miss the fact that by signing his new deal he made the club significant cash. He didn't leave as a free agent. He served the club very well during his time here and no one knows the circumstances at Luton. Much is made of it though. There are other players whose head has been wrong and who have been injured or some who admitted playing but not trying

I've never seen a player make so much impact as a leader than Dublin. He inspired others around him in a way I think i only ever witnessesed in the season when Yorath led from the front.

As I've said before the work legend us banded about like a cheap cliche these days. Anyone who licked a ball for the club is a legend. It's a term that should be used sparingly. For those who made a difference and those who inspired and live long in the memory. It should be saved for the rare ones - ones like Dion Dublin.