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Did sisu save ACL? (1 Viewer)

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  • Start date Apr 6, 2014
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 7, 2014
  • #176
lordsummerisle said:
letsallsingtogether said:
Yes they told us so when have they every not been transparent before?


Is it that you can't read or don't want to read?
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Bennets Afro said:
It's interesting that people are asking to hear the council side of things.

All we have heard for the last 2 years via the PR company is the council side of things and SISU's story really hasn't changed that much

I think there is more to come if it gets to the JR and the council will be shown in even more of a bad light
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It's Chris west rather than the council and as has been said there are toe sides to what happened.

I'm far more interested in questioning the club about the current finances and playing next season in Coventry than I am about whether the council played the business game better than sisu

Remember js has no interest in football and is only interested in purchasing the Ricoh arena complex
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lordsummerisle

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  • Apr 7, 2014
  • #177
Sky Blue Pete said:
lordsummerisle said:
It's council officers rather than the council
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Of course, they're all just wildcards who go off and do their own thing.
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 7, 2014
  • #178
Bennets Afro said:
It's interesting that people are asking to hear the council side of things.

All we have heard for the last 2 years via the PR company is the council side of things and SISU's story really hasn't changed that much

I think there is more to come if it gets to the JR and the council will be shown in even more of a bad light
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Do you think CCFC don't employ a PR company? Or Sisu? Really? Even Paul Appleton had a PR firm.

The thing that most fans have an issue with is the fact that we play in Northampton, that's hardly PR spin is it? Come on, use your head.

Go over to the CET site and have a look at how many on there have seen anti-Sisu comments mass downvoted (a sure sign of astroturfing) or how many things get "leaked" that try to make the council or the Trust look bad. Or of course, the fact that a Telegraph journalist was disciplined for being too matey with Fisher and co (allegedly).
 

shmmeee

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  • Apr 7, 2014
  • #179
lordsummerisle said:
Sky Blue Pete said:
Of course, they're all just wildcards who go off and do their own thing.
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Considering I've seen people seriously argue that Joy Seppala has no involvement in running the club, I think it's fair to ask for accuracy on both sides.
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 7, 2014
  • #180
I see no big deal in PR. you hire PR as you value the fans opinion and know it is important to talk to us......
 
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dongonzalos

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  • Apr 7, 2014
  • #181
shmmeee said:
lordsummerisle said:
Considering I've seen people seriously argue that Joy Seppala has no involvement in running the club, I think it's fair to ask for accuracy on both sides.
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SISU's story has stayed the same for 2 years.

Except we now know that despite been hands on with all decisions now and in contact daily. Joy knew nothing about the rent strike.
We know that Joy offered 2 million to a charity for something of no value. Because they are a charity.

Their story has changed and i now think Joy is great
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Apr 7, 2014
  • #182
Astute said:
I would prefer to listen to both sides and not only one side where a lot of what they have told us in the past is suspect at least.
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Nothing wrong with that as an approach, have a like

There does seem to be a lot of justifying of positions going around however when really... the questions need to be asked.

The same as the Trust's questions to SISU about accounts are perfectly fair, open, and give a chance for SISU to reassure if thy choose to take it, I'd kind of like similar questions asked about some of the correspondence.

As opposed to answering it and justifying it autmatically because of who said it.
 

shmmeee

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  • Apr 7, 2014
  • #183
dongonzalos said:
shmmeee said:
No SISU's story has stayed the same for 2 years.

Except we know know that despite been hands on with all decisions now and in contact daily. Joy knew nothing about the rent strike.
We now that Joy offered 2 million to a charity for something if no value. Because they ate a charity.

Their story has changed u know think she us great
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Let's not forget that it's all about the rent.

Trust Q&A said:
7: Is the rent at £400k in League 1 acceptable ?

ACL: Yes

CCFC: Yes
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 7, 2014
  • #184
Nw - do you mean ask Chris west to justify saying something and doing another?

Any other serious questions?
 

shmmeee

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  • Apr 7, 2014
  • #185
Deleted member 5849 said:
Nothing wrong with that as an approach, have a like

There does seem to be a lot of justifying of positions going around however when really... the questions need to be asked.

The same as the Trust's questions to SISU about accounts are perfectly fair, open, and give a chance for SISU to reassure if thy choose to take it, I'd kind of like similar questions asked about some of the correspondence.

As opposed to answering it and justifying it autmatically because of who said it.
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Seems reasonable.

What questions would you put to the council?
 

Astute

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  • Apr 7, 2014
  • #186
shmmeee said:
Seems reasonable.

What questions would you put to the council?
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One big question. What went wrong with the agreed deal for SISU to go into partnership with CCC over the running of the Ricoh?
 

Skyblueweeman

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  • Apr 7, 2014
  • #187
italiahorse said:
To be honest I would want a management company based in my town to run it rather than some mysterious offshore company that has proven to be incompetent.

The fact that it is a council as well gives me a feeling of security and I am willing to put up with its inefficiencies in the hope that any future profits will go into the public purse.
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We all would want this but they're not exactly forming a queue to take us over.....?

WM
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 7, 2014
  • #188
I find it very hard to believe that CCC used underhand tactics to stop this. If anything had happened that was illegal there would have been litigation by now. All we have is a JR on how it was funded. So do SISU see themselves as being at fault at least partially or didn't CCC do anything wrong? Were SISU holding on to a deal that wasn't happening waiting for ACL to become distressed but lost out on when the loan was restructured?

This is why we need answers.
 

James Smith

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  • Apr 7, 2014
  • #189
Bennets Afro said:
From what i believe ACL and the council will be invited. Whether they turn up or not is up to them
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Why would they invite and why would we need or even want the council/ACL at a forum discussing the financial state and recent accounts of our club? If we need something explained then OSB58 understands all this financial stuff.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Apr 7, 2014
  • #190
shmmeee said:
Seems reasonable.

What questions would you put to the council?
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Give me a while, and I'll draw some up ;-)

My professional interest is undoubtedly on this 'major media assault' business, and the desire to either big up or go after the Yorkshire Bank, depending on which way they swung. This all goes beyond the offers through media etc. which have been made elsewhere, and moves into the dark arts.

I'd also like some clarification on the hiding of actions from SISU / the club, which does seem rather dubious to me.

That said, these questions are probaby asked after the Judicial Review (regardless of who 'wins' that - incidentally, worth pointing out whoever the victor of that, be it CCC or SISU, should still have questions to answer - victory doesn't exonerate them entirely) when a bigger picture will become available.

Until then, open minds.

Well, and after then, too. A SISU 'win' say, doesn't automatically make them innocent of everything any more than a CCC 'win' doesn't mean certain actions may be within the bounds of what is acceptable when it comes to the rules and regulations, but...
 

lordsummerisle

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  • Apr 7, 2014
  • #191
James Smith said:
Why would they invite and why would we need or even want the council/ACL at a forum discussing the financial state and recent accounts of our club? If we need something explained then OSB58 understands all this financial stuff.
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OSB58 has been missing in action since Thursday night i think.
 

Astute

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  • Apr 7, 2014
  • #192
lordsummerisle said:
OSB58 has been missing in action since Thursday night i think.
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Has he been abducted by SISU until after the JR? Or is he helping CCC?
 

James Smith

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  • Apr 7, 2014
  • #193
lordsummerisle said:
OSB58 has been missing in action since Thursday night i think.
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It's a conspiracy I tells ya a conspiracy - Oh hells bells there's a tear in my tin foil hat. Maybe he's working?

Seriously though anyone who can actually explain things for us non financial types without just saying 'all normal/standard business practice (when they were one of the ones who signed off on the accounts) - which explains nothing - would do if OSB58 is busy.
 
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torchomatic

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  • Apr 7, 2014
  • #194
I know. You and Astute have been in overdrive since the court documents were released.

shmmeee said:
Hilarious how easy it is for the spin to work.
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Apr 7, 2014
  • #195
torchomatic said:
I know. You and Astute have been in overdrive since the court documents were released.
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tbf to Astute, the posts I've read recently (and there have been too many to do owt but skim!) he's actually been reigning in a little, and looking at other angles while considering council culpability as a possibility, so maybe a little harsh on him in this instance
 

lordsummerisle

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  • Apr 7, 2014
  • #196
torchomatic said:
I know. You and Astute have been in overdrive since the court documents were released.
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To be fair to Astute, he's spinning like a top and he's not sure yet where he's going to stop.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 7, 2014
  • #197
Maybe initially. Reverted to type now by the looks of it.

Deleted member 5849 said:
tbf to Astute, the posts I've read recently (and there have been too many to do owt but skim!) he's actually been reigning in a little, and looking at other angles while considering council culpability as a possibility, so maybe a little harsh on him in this instance
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Monners

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  • Apr 7, 2014
  • #198
lordsummerisle said:
To be fair to Astute, he's spinning like a top and he's not sure yet where he's going to stop.
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Pots and kettles there friend, or has the irony top spun out of conrol?
 

lordsummerisle

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  • Apr 7, 2014
  • #199
Monners said:
Pots and kettles there friend, or has the irony top spun out of conrol?
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Not using spinning in the PR sense, merely in confusion.

I'm not spinning for anybody, but a bit of light shone in all dark corners never does any harm.
 
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Monners

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  • Apr 7, 2014
  • #200
lordsummerisle said:
Not using spinning in the PR sense, merely in confusion.

I'm not spinning for anybody, but a bit of light shone in all dark corners never does any harm.
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Bit confused now - but in an ironic way!
 

shmmeee

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  • Apr 7, 2014
  • #201
torchomatic said:
I know. You and Astute have been in overdrive since the court documents were released.
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I thought I'd hardly been here. In fact until today and my initial post in the thread I've avoided it because I can't be arsed with the fight.

Want to address the point or just throw insults around?

Do you believe Sisu/CCFC have not had any PR in the last 2 years?

What exactly do you think CCC have been proven to do wrong?
 
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Astute

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  • Apr 7, 2014
  • #202
torchomatic said:
Maybe initially. Reverted to type now by the looks of it.
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And what is that? Because I am only looking at it with an open mind and not calling CCC guilty because I have only heard one side of the story?

I believe in innocent until proved guilty. So parts of emails make CCC look bad. Not the whole emails or all of them. They were not there to defend themselves. Yes the evidence has made me question them more. But the evidence has come from a side who loves spin. It evens out so I can't make my mind up for sure. So neither side is guilty in my mind on this matter yet.
 

shmmeee

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  • Apr 7, 2014
  • #203
This is going to be the "Why do we need the freehold" question all over again isn't it?

Guaranteed to make Grendel/Torch/etc never return to a thread.
 
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Godiva

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  • Apr 7, 2014
  • #204
lordsummerisle said:
OSB58 has been missing in action since Thursday night i think.
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TBF - I think this is about the busiest season for auditors.
 
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Godiva

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  • Apr 7, 2014
  • #205
Sky Blue Pete said:
It's Chris west rather than the council and as has been said there are toe sides to what happened.
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You mean like - it's Mark Labovich rather than sisu?
 

Astute

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  • Apr 7, 2014
  • #206
Godiva said:
TBF - I think this is about the busiest season for auditors.
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And most of them employed by SISU if the court case the other day is anything to go by.
 
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Godiva

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  • Apr 7, 2014
  • #207
Godiva said:
TBF - I think this is about the busiest season for auditors.
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Astute said:
And most of them employed by SISU if the court case the other day is anything to go by.
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I just learned something new today.
I always thought lawyers and auditors were completely different animals doing different stuff and that.
 

Hobo

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  • Apr 7, 2014
  • #208
Godiva said:
You mean like - it's Mark Labovich rather than sisu?
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Well in fairness, Mark Labovitch, Tim Fisher and Joy Seppala seem to have different song sheets when it suits them. Joy one minute is "hands on" and next on a different continent!

Hopefully she will be in UK court tera firma for the JR and put a face behind this charade.
 

Astute

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  • Apr 7, 2014
  • #209
Godiva said:
I just learned something new today.
I always thought lawyers and auditors were completely different animals doing different stuff and that.
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8 lawyers/QC's instead of 1 or two. Will need auditors to check the finances now. And why bother with 1 or 2
 
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Godiva

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  • Apr 7, 2014
  • #210
Astute said:
8 lawyers/QC's instead of 1 or two. Will need auditors to check the finances now. And why bother with 1 or 2
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There will be plenty of auditors.

YB will bring Deloitte.
CCC will bring PriceWaterhouse
Sisu will bring BDO.

It's almost guaranteed to be the most boring court session in history.
 
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