Derby points deduction (2 Viewers)

Danceswithhorses · Jan 15, 2022

EFL trying to 'look hard', but no doubt they will cave in as always, and give Derby concessions.
That's based on our owners bullying of them in the past, and doing exactly as they pleased.
Derby have had several financial crises in the past and they always come out smelling of roses sadly, so fingers crossed extra tight this time

Grendel · Jan 15, 2022

Danceswithhorses said:
EFL trying to 'look hard', but no doubt they will cave in as always, and give Derby concessions.
That's based on our owners bullying of them in the past, and doing exactly as they pleased.
Derby have had several financial crises in the past and they always come out smelling of roses sadly, so fingers crossed extra tight this time

you would like them to go out of business?

Colin Steins Smile · Jan 15, 2022

Grendel said:
you would like them to go out of business?

Wouldn't want Derby to go out of business, but I find it disgusting that the administrator is negotiating a reduction in the clubs £27m liability to HMRC down to £7m.
The UK's finances are in a difficult state without Derby reneging on their financial commitment to us the tax payers. Secondly, I'm sure all football clubs in the country would also like a 66% reduction in their HMRC costs.

Danceswithhorses · Jan 15, 2022

Grendel said:
you would like them to go out of business?

It's personal.
They were my 'irrationally hate' team in a recent thread.
So my answer to your question is...yes, i would laugh my hole off

MusicDating · Jan 18, 2022

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#SaveDerby is trending on Twitter. Talking about 15 days to save them from liquidation.

Isn't the obvious answer just to sell some players?

Gynnsthetonic · Jan 18, 2022

MusicDating said:
Homepage - The English Football League

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#SaveDerby is trending on Twitter. Talking about 15 days to save them from liquidation.

Isn't the obvious answer just to sell some players?

Or give them away, we'll take Tom Lawrence

skyblu3sk · Jan 18, 2022

MusicDating said:
Homepage - The English Football League

The Official home of the English Football League

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#SaveDerby is trending on Twitter. Talking about 15 days to save them from liquidation.

Isn't the obvious answer just to sell some players?

If the total of your assets is less than what you owe you are fucked either way...

robbiethemole · Jan 18, 2022

Did we get all this support when we were on the brink? Why are Direby so special is it cos of high-profile Wazza. Fuck em, let the EFL process go to conclusion like Bury had to.

jordan210 · Jan 18, 2022

My fav part of the statement is 11. Does the EFL have a vendetta against Derby County?

The fact Derby fans seam to think they are being treated worse then anyone ever before is laughable

Grendel · Jan 18, 2022

robbiethemole said:
Did we get all this support when we were on the brink? Why are Direby so special is it cos of high-profile Wazza. Fuck em, let the EFL process go to conclusion like Bury had to.

Christ you are embarrassing

Grendel · Jan 18, 2022

jordan210 said:
My fav part of the statement is 11. Does the EFL have a vendetta against Derby County?

The fact Derby fans seam to think they are being treated worse then anyone ever before is laughable

Stones and glass houses spring to mind.

mark82 · Jan 18, 2022

Gynnsthetonic said:
Or give them away, we'll take Tom Lawrence

He's on 30k/week.

mark82 · Jan 18, 2022

Grendel said:
middlesborough claim is ridiculous I assume they lost the play off semi final

It's even more ridiculous than that. They missed out on a playoff spot to Derby by a point. It's laughable, but could be enough to make a takeover more difficult.

Sky Blue Pete · Jan 18, 2022

mark82 said:
He's on 30k/week.

Wonder why they’re struggling

mark82 · Jan 18, 2022

robbiethemole said:
Did we get all this support when we were on the brink? Why are Direby so special is it cos of high-profile Wazza. Fuck em, let the EFL process go to conclusion like Bury had to.

We were never really on the brink in the same way. And yes, we did get a lot of support from other clubs and their fans.

SBAndy · Jan 18, 2022

mark82 said:
He's on 30k/week.

Think it’s a bit more than that actually. I know of a Sky Sports producer who seems to think we’re in for him, but I really can’t see it given the wage demands.

mark82 · Jan 18, 2022

SBAndy said:
Think it’s a bit more than that actually. I know of a Sky Sports producer who seems to think we’re in for him, but I really can’t see it given the wage demands.

Fantastic player, but we're paying nowhere near that level.

Grendel · Jan 18, 2022

mark82 said:
We were never really on the brink in the same way. And yes, we did get a lot of support from other clubs and their fans.

We had loads of sympathy for being owned by a narcissist hedge fund controller and the EFL really turned a blind eye to our wanders around the country - we were funding wages in Northampton on 2,000 attendances but had a much higher wage bill than generated revenue

Honestly the reaction is embarrassing

Sky Blue Pete · Jan 18, 2022

Grendel said:
We had loads of sympathy for being owned by a narcissist hedge fund controller and the EFL really turned a blind eye to our wanders around the country - we were funding wages in Northampton on 2,000 attendances but had a much higher wage bill than generated revenue

Honestly the reaction is embarrassing

And yet we still exist

SBAndy · Jan 18, 2022

mark82 said:
Fantastic player, but we're paying nowhere near that level.

And even if we aren’t, I’m sure someone else will in this basket case of a division.

mark82 · Jan 18, 2022

SBAndy said:
And even if we aren’t, I’m sure someone else will in this basket case of a division.

Just seen he's out of contract in the summer, which would make it slightly more doable. He's going to get nowhere near what he was on at Derby anywhere else. He will probably get offers higher than what we can give though.

Gynnsthetonic · Jan 18, 2022

Id hate to see such a historical club with a large fanbase go out of buisness, hopefully something can be resolved, Steve Gibson the Middlesbrough chairman is causing a stumbling block by the sounds of it with his compensation demands!

Brighton Sky Blue · Jan 18, 2022

SBAndy said:
Think it’s a bit more than that actually. I know of a Sky Sports producer who seems to think we’re in for him, but I really can’t see it given the wage demands.

How much were Bidwell and Kane on before they arrived?

Colin Steins Smile · Jan 18, 2022

mark82 said:
It's even more ridiculous than that. They missed out on a playoff spot to Derby by a point. It's laughable, but could be enough to make a takeover more difficult.

The complaint by both Middlesborough & Wycombe is being cited as a blockage to any takeover, as the interested parties undertaking due diligence will need clarity on the risk they are taking on.
I heard an interview with the Wycombe's American owner, who is smart and doesn't seem someone who's going to back down.
Derby are definitely in a difficult position and the value of the club in current environment must be decreasing by the day......which ironically could mean someone would take on the risk!
However, it would also mean that creditors are going to receive even less money from the sale.

mark82 · Jan 18, 2022

Brighton Sky Blue said:
How much were Bidwell and Kane on before they arrived?

Wouldn't have thought anywhere near that. 10-12k max. Probably still more than we pay to be fair.

Northeast sky blue · Jan 18, 2022

Gynnsthetonic said:
Id hate to see such a historical club with a large fanbase go out of buisness, hopefully something can be resolved, Steve Gibson the Middlesbrough chairman is causing a stumbling block by the sounds of it with his compensation demands!

I fail to see how Middlesborough can have any sort of claim, ok they missed the play offs by a point to Derby but was that because they lost to them or they're saying Derby's cheating robbed them of a place, surely Derby's results should be null and void and the table recalculated

Colin Steins Smile · Jan 18, 2022

Northeast sky blue said:
I fail to see how Middlesborough can have any sort of claim, ok they missed the play offs by a point to Derby but was that because they lost to them or they're saying Derby's cheating robbed them of a place, surely Derby's results should be null and void and the table recalculated

I think both Middlesborough & Wycombe are seeking compensation for Derby's financial cheating. The only president I can think of, which isn't quite the same is the compensation West Ham paid to Sheffield United over the Tevez affair.

Gynnsthetonic · Jan 18, 2022

Northeast sky blue said:
I fail to see how Middlesborough can have any sort of claim, ok they missed the play offs by a point to Derby but was that because they lost to them or they're saying Derby's cheating robbed them of a place, surely Derby's results should be null and void and the table recalculated

Gibson saying if Derby had of stuck to the rules then Middlesbrough would of got promoted, he sees it a bit like the Tevez saga when Sheff Utd got compensated millions

Legia Sky Blue · Jan 18, 2022

Gynnsthetonic said:
Gibson saying if Derby had of stuck to the rules then Middlesbrough would of got promoted, he sees it a bit like the Tevez saga when Sheff Utd got compensated millions

I struggle a bit with the Middlesbrough claim. They would have still had to beat 3 other teams, all of whom had been better through the season. They were no shoe in to go up. Wycombe perhaps have more of a case, but even then their argument should be more with the EFL than Derby, given it was the EFL who waited until this season to implement Derby's points deductions, when perhaps an element of them should have been dished out last season.

no_loyalty · Jan 18, 2022

SBAndy said:
Think it’s a bit more than that actually. I know of a Sky Sports producer who seems to think we’re in for him, but I really can’t see it given the wage demands.

I was told by a work colleague this morning that we are in for Lawrence, but I can't see it either.

Sky Blue Harry H · Jan 18, 2022

Wouldn't wish for Derby to go under, but neither do I think they can expect to offer a penny in the pound for their debts, yet keep hold of players worth tens of millions.

Speedies_Chips · Jan 18, 2022

Colin Steins Smile said:
I think both Middlesborough & Wycombe are seeking compensation for Derby's financial cheating. The only president I can think of, which isn't quite the same is the compensation West Ham paid to Sheffield United over the Tevez affair.

I can think of a few Presidents. Biden, Trump, Bush.........etc

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Jan 18, 2022

Legia Sky Blue said:
I struggle a bit with the Middlesbrough claim. They would have still had to beat 3 other teams, all of whom had been better through the season. They were no shoe in to go up. Wycombe perhaps have more of a case, but even then their argument should be more with the EFL than Derby, given it was the EFL who waited until this season to implement Derby's points deductions, when perhaps an element of them should have been dished out last season.

Sure I read somewhere that Mel Morris delayed the accounts to avoid the deduction last season, if that’s the case I get Wycombe’s claim. That being said I think both claims are bollocks - Wycombe weren’t good enough over the 46 games, shouldn’t wholly rely on point deductions

Northeast sky blue · Jan 18, 2022

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Sure I read somewhere that Mel Morris delayed the accounts to avoid the deduction last season, if that’s the case I get Wycombe’s claim. That being said I think both claims are bollocks - Wycombe weren’t good enough over the 46 games, shouldn’t wholly rely on point deductions

They may have been good enough if Derby hadn't cheated

SBAndy · Jan 18, 2022

mark82 said:
Just seen he's out of contract in the summer, which would make it slightly more doable. He's going to get nowhere near what he was on at Derby anywhere else. He will probably get offers higher than what we can give though.

A thought on this one: possibly a loan with us covering a portion of the wages rather than all? Still unrealistic in my mind but that would make more sense as a bit of a ‘2nd half of the season gamble’.

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