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Evo1883

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  • Dec 1, 2020
  • #1,401
SeaSeeEffCee said:
How many times did we play 5 at the back with our first choice backline?
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How many times have played this season with our first choice team... It means very little... The management have the statistics, the analytics... They will know where we are weak, how we are losing games and they've tried to remedy it...
Do you think Robins sits there with all the data infront of him and doesn't think about what he's going to play and why?

He's playing what he thinks is going to get us points, each game at a time
 

covcity4life

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  • Dec 1, 2020
  • #1,402
Abother good point!!!

Felt we looked comfortable all game long so annoyed to concede but this team doesnt give up and nice strike from hamer!!

I love way we play, so easy on eye.

Some thoughts:

Shipley is a passenger again. He always lets his man get away and is sloppy with even simple passes

Did mcallum have to go off? Goal came from a cross in thay corner. I thought mcallum was v good again though some sloppy mistakes today he needs to cut out

Kelly is playing really well although sometimes he passes like a pub player lol

O hare must sort out his finishing. It is costing us points

Wilson looks so assured. Marosi may have to wait to return at this rate!

Dabo looking kike Dabo of old


Good away point!!!
 
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Cov kid 55

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  • Dec 1, 2020
  • #1,403
Barnsley said:
4 of Your next 5 games will be same, he shits himself at this level when playing fellow relegation strugglers, he see them as mustn’t lose games rather than very winnable.
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Am I the only person who thinks this guy’s becoming a pain in the backside?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 1, 2020
  • #1,404
Liquid Gold said:
Only cos his dad works at the gif factory so he gets them before they're in Woolworths.
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Got that right
 

cc84cov

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  • Dec 1, 2020
  • #1,405
covcity4life said:
Abother good point!!!

Felt we looked comfortable all game long so annoyed to concede but this team doesnt give up and nice strike from hamer!!

I love way we play, so easy on eye.

Some thoughts:

Shipley is a passenger again. He always lets his man get away and is sloppy with even simple passes

Did mcallum have to go off? Goal came from a cross in thay corner. I thought mcallum was v good again though some sloppy mistakes today he needs to cut out

Kelly is playing really well although sometimes he passes like a pub player lol

O hare must sort out his finishing. It is costing us points

Wilson looks so assured. Marosi may have to wait to return at this rate!

Dabo looking kike Dabo of old


Good away point!!!
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You think the way we are playing is easy on the eye ?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 1, 2020
  • #1,406
covcity4life said:
Abother good point!!!

Felt we looked comfortable all game long so annoyed to concede but this team doesnt give up and nice strike from hamer!!

I love way we play, so easy on eye.

Some thoughts:

Shipley is a passenger again. He always lets his man get away and is sloppy with even simple passes

Did mcallum have to go off? Goal came from a cross in thay corner. I thought mcallum was v good again though some sloppy mistakes today he needs to cut out

Kelly is playing really well although sometimes he passes like a pub player lol

O hare must sort out his finishing. It is costing us points

Wilson looks so assured. Marosi may have to wait to return at this rate!

Dabo looking kike Dabo of old


Good away point!!!
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How would you pick the side for Saturday CC4L?
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 1, 2020
  • #1,407
cc84cov said:
You think the way we are playing is easy on the eye ?
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Only cos you can rest your eyes for 90 mins and not miss anything.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Dec 1, 2020
  • #1,408
Evo1883 said:
How many times have played this season with our first choice team... It means very little... The management have the statistics, the analytics... They will know where we are weak, how we are losing games and they've tried to remedy it...
Do you think Robins sits there with all the data infront of him and doesn't think about what he's going to play and why?
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Of course it means a lot. We were shipping goals while playing a left footer or a player clearly not good enough at right back and our captain and best defensive midfielder out. Now they're back we don't concede as much so we should clearly try and put some more attacking elements into our game by doing what got us scoring goals. It also means all of our best players end up in their best positions.
 
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stupot07

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  • Dec 1, 2020
  • #1,409
That formation with those players doesn't work. We were poor, and its a good job Derby were woeful in the final third.

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SeaSeeEffCee

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  • Dec 1, 2020
  • #1,410
Evo1883 said:
How many times have played this season with our first choice team... It means very little... The management have the statistics, the analytics... They will know where we are weak, how we are losing games and they've tried to remedy it...
Do you think Robins sits there with all the data infront of him and doesn't think about what he's going to play and why?

He's playing what he thinks is going to get us points, each game at a time
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Who were we missing tonight from our first choice 4-2-3-1 XI aside from Marosi?
 

Evo1883

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  • Dec 1, 2020
  • #1,411
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Look at each of those 7 goals and tell me how many were caused by the formation. You could perhaps argue Watford's 1st goal but let's be honest we had McCallum playing at RWB that game.

This is what happens when you just solely look at the results and not the performances or anything else.
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I dont know what you want me to say, wing backs we ship goals, it's obviously a problem... The evidence is in front of you
 

Evo1883

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  • Dec 1, 2020
  • #1,412
SeaSeeEffCee said:
Who were we missing tonight from our first choice 4-2-3-1 XI aside from Marosi?
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Godden and arguably sheaf would normally start
 

covcity4life

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  • Dec 1, 2020
  • #1,413
Brighton Sky Blue said:
How would you pick the side for Saturday CC4L?
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Don't mind what MR picks. Whatever formation we play same brand. Keep it on ground. Use sweeper keeper. It's all good

I imagine sheaf will be back in. I really hope Shipley will be dropped but we shall see.
 

higgs

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  • Dec 1, 2020
  • #1,414
Disappointing performance but this side are showing a never say die attitude again this season fighting to the end which is a good sign

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shmmeee

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  • Dec 1, 2020
  • #1,415
Evo1883 said:
Godden and arguably sheaf would normally start
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In place of two other first teamers in Walker and Kelly/Hamer. Which is the entire point. You’re leaving good players out.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 1, 2020
  • #1,416
covcity4life said:
Don't mind what MR picks. Whatever formation we play same brand. Keep it on ground. Use sweeper keeper. It's all good

I imagine sheaf will be back in. I really hope Shipley will be dropped but we shall see.
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Would you be inclined to go 2 up top or stay with 1?
 

Evo1883

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  • Dec 1, 2020
  • #1,417
Liquid Gold said:
Of course it means a lot. We were shipping goals while playing a left footer or a player clearly not good enough at right back and our captain and best defensive midfielder out. Now they're back we don't concede as much so we should clearly try and put some more attacking elements into our game by doing what got us scoring goals. It also means all of our best players end up in their best positions.
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What you're actually saying is we had at any given time 1 player out of position in the back line...

Lads I'm all for playing whatever formation gets results... If it's wingbacks so be it.... But the fact is we shipped a ton of goals... Am I losing my mind here or are people being willfully blind to this
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 1, 2020
  • #1,418
Evo1883 said:
I dont know what you want me to say, wing backs we ship goals, it's obviously a problem... The evidence is in front of you
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I want you to say how that specific 5-3-2 is the reason we shipped goals and you seem to be struggling massively to show it. You can't because they weren't caused by the formation and other teams' poor finishing doesn't make this any better
 

covcity4life

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  • Dec 1, 2020
  • #1,419
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Would you be inclined to go 2 up top or stay with 1?
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Bro I don't mind lol

Would love to see this formstion without Shipley personally. Judt for my curiosity. But if it's 532 oe the box then great too

Robins will pick whats best to take on opposition . Hopefully he is right
 

stupot07

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  • Dec 1, 2020
  • #1,420
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Would you be inclined to go 2 up top or stay with 1?
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A lone striker has to offer more than Walker does in general play, for me we don't have that type of player for this level so we need to go 2 up top.

I really rate him, but he touched the ball just 10 times in 76 minutes, he completed just 2 of his 6 passes. That not good enough for a lone striker. He stopped even challenging for the ball in the second half, not one tackle, not one foul (like leaving one on the centre back like kazim did.

Its not his fault, its not his game.

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Liquid Gold

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  • Dec 1, 2020
  • #1,421
Evo1883 said:
What you're actually saying is we had at any given time 1 player out of position in the back line...

Lads I'm all for playing whatever formation gets results... If it's wingbacks so be it.... But the fact is we shipped a ton of goals... Am I losing my mind here or are people being willfully blind to this
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The goals, as have been pointed out to you, were due to mainly individual errors or poor work at set pieces. Not by playing wing backs.

They happened when we had worse defensive players available to us than we do now.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Dec 1, 2020
  • #1,422
Spot on
 
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Evo1883

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  • Dec 1, 2020
  • #1,423
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I want you to say how that specific 5-3-2 is the reason we shipped goals and you seem to be struggling massively to show it. You can't because they weren't caused by the formation and other teams' poor finishing doesn't make this any better
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I can't point you to exactly why the 532 cost us games... I can only point you to the amount of goals conceded in those games, and the amount of goals conceded in the other games when we tried a different variation of wing back systems...

Then when we play 4 at the back we stop leaking goals but stop scoring...

Obviously system comes into play here doesnt it
 

Evo1883

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  • Dec 1, 2020
  • #1,424
Liquid Gold said:
The goals, as have been pointed out to you, were due to mainly individual errors or poor work at set pieces. Not by playing wing backs.

They happened when we had worse defensive players available to us than we do now.
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If it wasn't to do with the system... Robins would be playing it every week still no? If it was just because dabo was out... We'd be playing it still no?

This argument is completely flawed, because I can't blame the system for a defeat but I can praise it for wins... What is it?

I like the system BTW... But see its flaws like when we switched into it against blues and looked like we would concede?
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 1, 2020
  • #1,425
Evo1883 said:
I can't point you to exactly why the 532 cost us games... I can only point you to the amount of goals conceded in those games, and the amount of goals conceded in the other games when we tried a different variation of wing back systems...

Then when we play 4 at the back we stop leaking goals but stop scoring...

Obviously system comes into play here doesnt it
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Yes. If you play ten men behind the ball for 90 mins against the worst teams in the division you don’t concede.

Except when you do.

Then you go two up top to salvage a draw.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Dec 1, 2020
  • #1,426
Evo1883 said:
I can't point you to exactly why the 532 cost us games... I can only point you to the amount of goals conceded in those games, and the amount of goals conceded in the other games when we tried a different variation of wing back systems...

Then when we play 4 at the back we stop leaking goals but stop scoring...

Obviously system comes into play here doesnt it
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We've scored 2 goals, one a massive error, while we've had 1 striker on the pitch in 10 games.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 1, 2020
  • #1,427
Evo1883 said:
I can't point you to exactly why the 532 cost us games... I can only point you to the amount of goals conceded in those games, and the amount of goals conceded in the other games when we tried a different variation of wing back systems...

Then when we play 4 at the back we stop leaking goals but stop scoring...

Obviously system comes into play here doesnt it
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I can point you to why we conceded each of those 7 goals and how other teams let us off the hook since. The of course we only concede a very dubious penalty at Norwich and that seems to get forgotten amidst all the backslapping about draws against the worse sides in this league
 

Evo1883

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  • Dec 1, 2020
  • #1,428
Liquid Gold said:
We've scored 2 goals, one a massive error, while we've had 1 striker on the pitch in 10 games.
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So Obviously the system is a factor then isn't it... Exactly like the wing back systems being a factor in us conceding so many right?
 

Evo1883

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  • Dec 1, 2020
  • #1,429
shmmeee said:
Yes. If you play ten men behind the ball for 90 mins against the worst teams in the division you don’t concede.

Except when you do.

Then you go two up top to salvage a draw.
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But like I said a minute ago we switched to 2 up against blues and almost threw it away as they suddenly took control once we switched to wing backs?
 
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Tartan Specials

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  • Dec 1, 2020
  • #1,430
cc84cov said:
You think the way we are playing is easy on the eye ?
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I genuinely think it is. Other than Fadz kicking the ball (and in fairness that's what he's been trained to do) aimlessly up the park, we're pretty comfortable on the ball. Derby's centre half was bought by Arsenal for 2.5 million as a seventeen year old. Perspective and all that. Anyways, here's to staying up.
 
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covcity4life

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  • Dec 1, 2020
  • #1,431
Fucking hell up to 19th and 5 pts off Barnsley despite hsving played all top 7 and prem relegated teams after coming off double promotion

Yet that Barnsley lad knows more than robins lmao you slimey cunts should be ashamed of yourselves
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 1, 2020
  • #1,432
Evo1883 said:
But like I said a minute ago we switched to 2 up against blues and almost threw it away as they suddenly took control once we switched to wing backs?
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Juke was given a free header in the first half and we also still gave the ball away in criminal areas, just Birmingham weren't as clinical. It's just weird how people seem to keep working backwards from the conclusion and still never look at the goals we conceded in relation to the shape
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Dec 1, 2020
  • #1,433
Evo1883 said:
So Obviously the system is a factor then isn't it... Exactly like the wing back systems being a factor in us conceding so many right?
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What I was trying to point out was that you can isolate individual statistics to make things look better or worse. The formation not being the be all and end all, our lack of scoring now isn't just down to the formation, it's down to the players we have in it being out of position, the areas in the field we play leaving the striker too isolated and playing it long at the wrong time. Just like conceding before wasn't down to playing 532 it was down to silly individual mistakes and a zonal system from set pieces.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 1, 2020
  • #1,434
Tartan Specials said:
I genuinely think it is. Other than Fadz kicking the ball (and in fairness that's what he's been trained to do) aimlessly up the park, we're pretty comfortable on the ball. Derby's centre half was bought by Arsenal for 2.5 million as a seventeen year old. Perspective and all that. Anyways, here's to staying up.
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The second half was wave after wave of them coming at us and us returning possession soon after getting it back. When we play that way it needs someone to find killer passes or Walker to work a minor miracle
 

Evo1883

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  • Dec 1, 2020
  • #1,435
Thinking our shape had nothing to do with the goals we concede is something I'm sure Andy Thorn used to think


Infact I'm positive he did because he stuck despite its flaws
 
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