Match Thread Derby County - Coventry City Match Thread - Saturday 16th Aug (42 Viewers)

[stupot07]

6mins48sec he comes in to the pic running away from goal and crossing his arms to say no penalty. Then stops, turns and blows in 1 movement. WTF?!?!

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You can only assume that the lino has said that it touched his hand. Given Thomas post on insta, it obviously did hit his hand. I don't know why people are moaning about it, it's handball and a pen.

 

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[wingy]

Well IDK what the difference was but you'd have to say we were much more dynamic and a fluidity to the game than last week and before that,or am I imagining that?

 

[David O'Day]

You can only assume that the lino has said that it touched his hand. Given Thomas post on insta, it obviously did hit his hand. I don't know why people are moaning about it, it's handball and a pen.

It hit his nand, people where saying ot could of been a push before that

Still not worth the argument as we won and showed some balls

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[shmmeee]

4th and 5th are great goals. Missed them both live thanks to dodgy streams but both really well worked and finished. Our defending of set pieces though, oh dear.

 

[StrettoBoy]

I was very impressed with Torp today. He did some good defending, fine playmaking and as we know he is one of the best shooters in the team. I thought he was the MOTM, although EMC and MVE were excellent as well.

For me, our midfield of Torp, Grimes and Rudoni is the best in the Championship. I don't think that Sheaf, when fit, will be an automatic starter even though I do rate him.

 

[Perennial Lurker]

I was very impressed with Torp today. He did some good defending, fine playmaking and as we know he is one of the best shooters in the team. I thought he was the MOTM, although EMC and MVE were excellent as well.

For me, our midfield of Torp, Grimes and Rudoni is the best in the Championship. I don't think that Sheaf, when fit, will be an automatic starter even though I do rate him.

Said it all preseason that Torp links between Rudoni and our forward line better than our other midfield options . He also scores goals and creates chances , Lampard has to stick with the three that have played if we want to really go for it this season.
Sheaf , Eccles , Allen and Andrews will all play a part this season and fill in when needed but Torp , Rudi and Grimes is plan A

 

[skyblue_55]

A great away day for us travelling fans & limbs that were hard to comprehend from everyone in the away end , come the 4th & 5th goal , absolute mayhem !
Shame about the 3 conceded ….. poor decision from the ref for their first , as not a foul , but could Rushworth have tipped it over ?
A definite 2 handed push in the back for their penalty .
Their 3rd , a switching off & scuffed shot , with Rushworth scrambling across his line .
QPR up next & hopefully another near capacity crowd to back the boys
CTID

 

[Nuskyblue]

Well IDK what the difference was but you'd have to say we were much more dynamic and a fluidity to the game than last week and before that,or am I imagining that?

Noticed this from the outset, we moved the ball quickly and with purpose. Even at 3-2 down it was a way better performance than the game at their gaff last season.

Deserved winners in the end.

 

[Bad Boy]

Not sure anyone has said Lampard is not interested but some have suggested his body language looks off and he looks frustrated …

Probably pissed off having to answer stupid questions.

 

[Hullinho87]

A lot calmer and measured on the forum generally over night and this morning compared to last Sunday.

Proving the point … It is always and I mean ALWAYS the result that affects the opinion on here. Very little to do with wider context, discussion or reasoned nuance of where we are at as a team/club - despite some arguing the opposite.

 

[Otis]

You can only assume that the lino has said that it touched his hand. Given Thomas post on insta, it obviously did hit his hand. I don't know why people are moaning about it, it's handball and a pen.

People were moaning that he was pushed and he was. But it was more of a nudge and not enough to warrant an infringement of any kind. But that was the argument

 

[Deity]

People were moaning that he was pushed and he was. But it was more of a nudge and not enough to warrant an infringement of any kind. But that was the argument

Thomas apologised on Insta. He knows he got under the ball, he was nudged but it was his positioning that was the real cause.

 

[skybluetony176]

A question for anyone who attended. Watching the highlights were the Derby fans as quite in reality as they seemed on TV? Even when they went ahead their celebration seemed muted at best.

Our away fans on form as usual. Well done anyone attending. A credit to the club as always.

 

[Viktor17]

Massive over reaction to last week and also this week, yes we attacked excellently, but some serious defensive shortcomings again……. And like last week, on another day we win 2/3.0 - important now to build on this Saturday.

observation from yesterday, how much fitter we look, levels never dropped, really noticeably from this time last year.

 

[Viktor17]

A question for anyone who attended. Watching the highlights were the Derby fans as quite in reality as they seemed on TV? Even when they went ahead their celebration seemed muted at best.

Our away fans on form as usual. Well done anyone attending. A credit to the club as always.

Yep don’t really here much at all from them, apart from after them scoring.

that was the loudest I’ve heard our away end for while (ignore play off leg away which was good) had banging headache last night - La La La La

 

[Deity]

Our issue last season was teams score from too high a percentage of the attacks they have … it was the same yesterday too.

The free kick was a hell of a hit but the pen and the soft defensive header were both avoidable.

 

[clint van damme]

Just read back through this thread, deary me, fantastic stuff!

 

[Grendel]

A question for anyone who attended. Watching the highlights were the Derby fans as quite in reality as they seemed on TV? Even when they went ahead their celebration seemed muted at best.

Our away fans on form as usual. Well done anyone attending. A credit to the club as always.

 

[Tommo1993]

A question for anyone who attended. Watching the highlights were the Derby fans as quite in reality as they seemed on TV? Even when they went ahead their celebration seemed muted at best.

Our away fans on form as usual. Well done anyone attending. A credit to the club as always.

No worse than our home atmospheres recently

 

[Hullinho87]

Massive over reaction to last week and also this week, yes we attacked excellently, but some serious defensive shortcomings again……. And like last week, on another day we win 2/3.0 - important now to build on this Saturday.

observation from yesterday, how much fitter we look, levels never dropped, really noticeably from this time last year.

I don’t think there has been on over reaction this week at all from the majority.

The players rating thread is pretty well balanced over all, especially, I would say.

 

[Hullinho87]

Our issue last season was teams score from too high a percentage of the attacks they have … it was the same yesterday too.

The free kick was a hell of a hit but the pen and the soft defensive header were both avoidable.

I don’t dispute your point generally .. but the fact is we have conceded 1 goal from open play (& that was a second phase from a set piece), in 180 minutes.

We look most vulnerable from set pieces so far this season. That needs to be addressed, teams will know that & plan for that of course.

 

[ovduk78]

When teams have players moving around at a set piece like Derby did for their 3rd yesterday, (Blackburn did the same last season under Eustace), is it better to use zonal marking than follow "your man"?

 

[SkyBluePower]

Yep don’t really here much at all from them, apart from after them scoring.

that was the loudest I’ve heard our away end for while (ignore play off leg away which was good) had banging headache last night - La La La La

Watching on Sky there was clearly a problem with the Crowd/atmosphere microphones- there was virtually no noise when all the goals went in- it was very strange .

 

[biggymania]

Something to build on and take confidence from, but I don't know how many teams in this league are going to be so naive.

Fantastic determination to keep going after some disappointing goals to concede, you have to be happy with 4 pts at this stage. Lots of good performances and moments but in context this was an injury ravaged Derby side who really let us control large parts of the game.

 

[clint van damme]

Watching on Sky there was clearly a problem with the Crowd/atmosphere microphones- there was virtually no noise when all the goals went in- it was very strange .

There must of been. They didn't get going mu h, but when they did it was pretty loud.
Thought we were loud, not sure if that came across

 

[Nuskyblue]

Our issue last season was teams score from too high a percentage of the attacks they have … it was the same yesterday too.

The free kick was a hell of a hit but the pen and the soft defensive header were both avoidable.

Tbf I commented "pathetic" when their 3rd went in but I don't think it was as bad as all that in terms of the header, more the marking/willingness to win the second ball.

A long throw like that is hard to defend, the lack of power on the ball generally leads to a scramble in the box.

 

[Calista]

It is always and I mean ALWAYS the result that affects the opinion on here.

A defeat knocks at least 2 points off every player's rating regardless of how they've played as an individual.

 

[stevefloyd]

Defence needs a massive amount of work imo.
We look like a bunch of school kids at times when we're being put under pressure especially in or around our box, it looks like they've never kicked a ball in their lives, we have this weird habit of miskicking it in an odd panicky way.
So easy to brush off too.
Need a few egg chasing scrum sessions.

The defence is our achilles heel, it needed work on it last season and thats so far not been done it definitely needs work now!!

 

[stevefloyd]

It's an argument had on here every year.

Who wants to be the referee to not blow because they think someone is 'faking' a head injury and then it is real and something serious happens?

The referees need to take more action, if they deem a player to be faking although thats also difficult to prove so the cheating bastards that flaunt the rules win yet again...overpaid fucking outright cheats !!! They should feel shame but obviously couldn't give a fuck

 

[Mcbean]

I like the way they circulating at corners when waiting for the ball - if you are stood still with someone holding you - you can’t move immediately but if you are moving you can be quicker to the direction of the ball - if referees were a lot stronger on defenders hanging on it wouldn’t be an issue - Simms permanently has a monkey on his back ! Which holds him
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[Hullinho87]

When teams have players moving around at a set piece like Derby did for their 3rd yesterday, (Blackburn did the same last season under Eustace), is it better to use zonal marking than follow "your man"?

99% of teams who have zonal as a process - will have zonal first phase and mark man, not space on the second phase onwards.

We did neither for that 3rd goal.

 

[clint van damme]

99% of teams who have zonal as a process - will have zonal first phase and mark man, not space on the second phase onwards.

We did neither for that 3rd goal.

Maybe old fashioned, but for me you go man for man for the get go. Too much ambiguity and finger pointing with zonal and hybrid systems are worse.
There's your man, stick with him, if he scores it's your fault

 

[Sky Blue 1987]

6mins48sec he comes in to the pic running away from goal and crossing his arms to say no penalty. Then stops, turns and blows in 1 movement. WTF?!?!

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The assistant must have got in his ear and told him it was handball, its the only explanation

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Maybe old fashioned, but for me you go man for man for the get go. Too much ambiguity and finger pointing with zonal and hybrid systems are worse.
There's your man, stick with him, if he scores it's your fault

I sort of agree.

If you see a team playing zonal as long as you've got a reasonably competent set piece taker just get everyone to run into one zone and overwhelm that defender. Or at least get the biggest players against the smaller ones.

Man mark also has issues, as I'd try and block off whoever was meant to be marking our most dangerous headerer, but I do think there's more certainty there.

Oh, and have most of your corners as inswingers. Have the momentum going towards the goal, not away.

 

[SkyBlueBarmy84]

When teams have players moving around at a set piece like Derby did for their 3rd yesterday, (Blackburn did the same last season under Eustace), is it better to use zonal marking than follow "your man"?

I was just watching the highlights back - and trying to figure out what was going on for the third - JDS is either zonal marking, or totally lost his man (or someone else did) - either way, he is just stood there watching the play