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cmoncity

cmoncity

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Surely its time for sp to appoint a defensive coach. Being a manager is obviously a huge job overseeing all aspects of training etc.our alarming goals against has started with a bang again on saturday. There must be a coach out there that can settle our backline down and tighten it all up.
 
Hobo

Hobo

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What coaching drills do you suggest?

Where are our actual weaknesses?
 
cmoncity

cmoncity

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Im no football coach but its obvious that our backline needs help our management team cant give it.we need a specialist coach in my opinion
 
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sky blue zam

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After seeing Hanson's goals again against us this season same as last year up there, why was a smaller cb marking him????? Surely reda Johnson should have been on him the whole match
 
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kg82

kg82

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Hobo said:
What coaching drills do you suggest?

Where are our actual weaknesses?
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Concentration for 1. On paper the defence looks decent but they switch off way too much. All 3 goals on Saturday could've been cut out (I only heard about the 1st goal as it took 5 and a half hours to get there and got there at 3:30). Have no idea what Clarke was doing before the penalty.

Out of a matter of interest, did the defender touch fleck on Saturday. It happened fast and my first reaction was penalty but I haven't seen a replay or read anything about it?
 
Gint11

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I've been thinking it for a while now so I'll say it. He seems a good lad, trys hard and gives everything but generally speaking, jordan Clarke is not good enough. Can't comment on Webster, seen him live once but sounds crap. Theres 2 problems in our back 4. Another thing, we will not suit 3-5-2 - an already defensively weak team going 3 at the back = defeat every time.
 
Hobo

Hobo

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What do people see as defence though, is it just four players.

There were two good crosses drilled into our box and met well with two good attacking headers, well taken goals. When you get to that point you are asking a lot of you centre backs and keeper.

I am not saying they could not have dealt with it better, but there are easier options to deal with it else where on the pitch..wide midfield, wing backs, full backs depending on your formation.

If the people in front of the back four don't do their shift the back four will always look shit!

Kg82 "concentration". I agree, but I am sure Pressley doesn't say, when you get back to 2-2 lads just switch off and take a breather...I am sure SP is as gutted and lived as the travelling fans were.

Alex Ferguson said blow your stack in the dressing room. Monday morning all is forgotten and it is back to coaching and building confidence in your players.
 
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wingy

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Don't like the sound of that last line hobo ,fair enough If you're in a shower cubicle ,but could be messy in a communal bath.:(
 
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Hobo

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wingy said:
Don't like the sound of that last line hobo ,fir enough If you're in a shower cubicle ,but could be messy in a communal bath.:(
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Haha it sure could, perhaps that is why Fergie was feared so much?
 
SkyBlue_Bear83

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Hobo said:
What do people see as defence though, is it just four players.

There were two good crosses drilled into our box and met well with two good attacking headers, well taken goals. When you get to that point you are asking a lot of you centre backs and keeper.

I am not saying they could not have dealt with it better, but there are easier options to deal with it else where on the pitch..wide midfield, wing backs, full backs depending on your formation.

If the people in front of the back four don't do their shift the back four will always look shit!

Kg82 "concentration". I agree, but I am sure Pressley doesn't say, when you get back to 2-2 lads just switch off and take a breather...I am sure SP is as gutted and lived as the travelling fans were.

Alex Ferguson said blow your stack in the dressing room. Monday morning all is forgotten and it is back to coaching and building confidence in your players.
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I agree, from a Bradford point of view it is two excellent crosses and bullet headers. They got into the crossing positions far too easily and then had too much time to deliver the cross.
 
Gint11

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True. You defend from the front, defending as a team and attack as a team. Even the best teams give chances to the opposition but are generally tight as a unit. It still comes down to tactics and that some players aren't good enough OR they don't fit the tactics
 
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Chez78

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Hobo said:
What do people see as defence though, is it just four players.

There were two good crosses drilled into our box and met well with two good attacking headers, well taken goals. When you get to that point you are asking a lot of you centre backs and keeper.

I am not saying they could not have dealt with it better, but there are easier options to deal with it else where on the pitch..wide midfield, wing backs, full backs depending on your formation.

If the people in front of the back four don't do their shift the back four will always look shit!

Kg82 "concentration". I agree, but I am sure Pressley doesn't say, when you get back to 2-2 lads just switch off and take a breather...I am sure SP is as gutted and lived as the travelling fans were.

Alex Ferguson said blow your stack in the dressing room. Monday morning all is forgotten and it is back to coaching and building confidence in your players.
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If I'm honest the concentration thing comes from leadership on the pitch not the sidelines, as far as the defence goes for me no one seems to be marshalling what's in front of them. Take the last goal where the lad dives in (Swanson I think), someone has to be barking at him to stand has to and even then that ball still cleared the free man in the centre who's job it is to be in the right place to cut it out. Again it's a guess who the lad in the centre is (Webster) if it is he should have enough experience to realise the danger was the big man at the back, not the short arse at the front.

We make basic mistakes which everyone points at Clarke, Thomas, Daniels, Willis it's about time people who we're bought into lead started actually leading and managing these young lads during the actual game.
 
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Chez78

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CCFC said:
I agree, from a Bradford point of view it is two excellent crosses and bullet headers. They got into the crossing positions far too easily and then had too much time to deliver the cross.
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They were good crosses but the big man pushed onto the young lads this should have been addressed at half time, surely man marking him with the biggest and best header of the ball we had should have just been a basic requirement. It's not like we didn't know about him and I'm afraid this is a group fuck up, Pressley should have called it but when you pull it back with 2 mins to go someone on the pitch has to take responsibility.
 
kg82

kg82

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Hobo said:
What do people see as defence though, is it just four players.

There were two good crosses drilled into our box and met well with two good attacking headers, well taken goals. When you get to that point you are asking a lot of you centre backs and keeper.

I am not saying they could not have dealt with it better, but there are easier options to deal with it else where on the pitch..wide midfield, wing backs, full backs depending on your formation.

If the people in front of the back four don't do their shift the back four will always look shit!

Kg82 "concentration". I agree, but I am sure Pressley doesn't say, when you get back to 2-2 lads just switch off and take a breather...I am sure SP is as gutted and lived as the travelling fans were.

Alex Ferguson said blow your stack in the dressing room. Monday morning all is forgotten and it is back to coaching and building confidence in your players.
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True, but it's not as if it's the odd goal here and there. The amount of goals we leak due to lack of concentration - and, I'm going to add, poor decisions - is a huge amount. Every goal on Saturday. The last goal was particularly bad just because we actually doubled up on their wide man but dived in. There was no need. Clarke putting the ball out for a corner... There was no need. People may blame alsopp there but come on, Clarke could've easily looked around and seen there wasn't a Bradford player within 20 yards.

Defend from the front, yes. The whole team needs to learn to defend as a unit.
 
Hobo

Hobo

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On the few occasions I saw us last year and watching highlights the team seem very quite. I think Pressley has raised this issue himself.

You do need an organiser, normally one of the CB's or the keeper. But you also need vocal FB's because when the threat is coming from the opposite wing they can see everything in front of them and have to remain switched on about what's coming in behind them.

You have a choice when defending; zones or men. It doesn't matter what you opt for, sometimes you have to react to the situation and take responsibility...go and attack the threat...the ball!

Last year we often looked organised and comfortable, then all of a sudden fall apart. It would be when the unexpected happens, bad pass, deflection whatever, we just seem slow to react. Once the play goes by some players they seem happy just to watch.

As Brian Clough said every goal scored is down to a defensive error.
 
Gint11

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I absolutely despise zonal marking and how it was brought in was beyond me. All the training and education I ever had growing up there is only 1 way and thats man marking, pick your man, for the next 90 minutes he is your man, don't give him an inch. Win your battles. Let him know your there. And When you attack the ball, communicate with your team to cover your position. It is that simple. Zonal marking where your marking space and trying to predict the next move is poor. The amount of times watching City where they had a free kick inside our half, Cyrus Christie for example would be 5-7 yards away from his wide man watching him, the wide man would have his hand up in the air and the free kick would come straight over to him, Christie then closes down, whips the ball in and they have a chance and on some occasion I remember, score. Well you would generally nullify that by man marking and winning the header when the free kick comes!
 
Hobo

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Gint11 said:
I absolutely despise zonal marking and how it was brought in was beyond me. All the training and education I ever had growing up there is only 1 way and thats man marking, pick your man, for the next 90 minutes he is your man, don't give him an inch. Win your battles. Let him know your there. And When you attack the ball, communicate with your team to cover your position. It is that simple. Zonal marking where your marking space and trying to predict the next move is poor. The amount of times watching City where they had a free kick inside our half, Cyrus Christie for example would be 5-7 yards away from his wide man watching him, the wide man would have his hand up in the air and the free kick would come straight over to him, Christie then closes down, whips the ball in and they have a chance and on some occasion I remember, score. Well you would generally nullify that by man marking and winning the header when the free kick comes!
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I tend to agree with you Gint11 and prefer man to Man marking. But it does have a weakness, it is easy to stand their pointing the finger who was marking him....also if a striker drops off how far do you follow him? Any system has to be fluid and combines elements of both.
when the ball/danger is there it has to be reacted to and cleared out. Who cares who does it but it has to be done. If a man gets free someone has to react to it.
 
Hobo

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sw88 said:
Neil McFarlane played as a defensive midfielder and takes a lot of our training. OK, he's no CB but surely he knows the defensive side to a game?
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Yes, and coaching qualifications cover all aspects of the game. George Curtis and John Sillett produced one of our most entertaining and attacking sides...both were defenders.
John said he had to pay attention to all his coaches as a player because he had no skill nothing come natural to him, he had to study the game and learn it. Probably why he turned into such a good coach.
 
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Getting in a coach would mean SISU spending money.
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Where has all the Wison money gone that was going to be invested in the team ?
Where has all the money gone from freeing up the wages of the players who have left ?
When did SISU actually invest in the team to get us out of this league
 
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SkyBlueScottie

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The defense is not a problem per se, as others have said they got into the crossing positions far too easily and were then allowed ample time to pick their spot. (much like Pugh for our second goal) you can work on defensive drills all you like however it only takes a momentary lapse and you are stitched up. The main problem is the standard of players we have at our disposal....
 
shmmeee

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fernandopartridge said:
We let too many crosses come into the box. Stop the supply at source.
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We don't have (and haven't had for a couple of seasons) any "proper" full backs. All of them are better going forward.

Playing no wingers in front of them just makes us even more exposed down the wings.

That said, Fleck and Thomas are too light weight to protect a back 4 IMO.

Get a proper defensive mid in and go back to 442 for me.
 
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