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Skybluefaz

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  • Dec 4, 2016
  • #36
Nick said:
Managers are onto a winner aren't they? Everything is about budget and investment, an easy copout.
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When TM left my mate who does comms for Wolves told me Rob Edwards (Wolves coach) was applying for the job. When I asked why he'd do a silly thing like that he basically said because at cov you have nothing to lose. If it goes tits up, everyone blames the owners.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 4, 2016
  • #37
Skybluefaz said:
When TM left my mate who does comms for Wolves told me Rob Edwards (Wolves coach) was applying for the job. When I asked why he'd do a silly thing like that he basically said because at cov you have nothing to lose. If it goes tits up, everyone blames the owners.
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Exactly! How many have been annoyed over the tactics, the starting line up etc.

It's always just "budget, investment". Even when we have a bigger budget than the other team.
 
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Rory83

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  • Dec 4, 2016
  • #38
I was the guy who mentioned Oggy, but that was on account of me being asked would a new manager make a difference. A) who would want to come into this shambles, no funds to spend and no plan. B) who knows the club better than Ogrizovic? What connection does Venus have to the club? I'm not advocating for Oggy to get the job, but would he do worse than Venus? Not in my opinion. Ultimately yes an experienced manager, but we've had them too. The club is a total mess and watching today really brought it home just what a farce of a club we've become.

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Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 4, 2016
  • #39
Rory83 said:
I was the guy who mentioned Oggy, but that was on account of me being asked would a new manager make a difference. A) who would want to come into this shambles, no funds to spend and no plan. B) who knows the club better than Ogrizovic? What connection does Venus have to the club? I'm not advocating for Oggy to get the job, but would he do worse than Venus? Not in my opinion. Ultimately yes an experienced manager, but we've had them too. The club is a total mess and watching today really brought it home just what a farce of a club we've become.

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Have we had experienced lower league managers though? A Tisdale type.

Loads of people will apply, they can't lose. If they do shit, it's not their fault, if they are decent then they are heroes.
 
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Paxman II

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  • Dec 4, 2016
  • #40
So if we are to appoint a new manager quickly who could we look to entice here? Seriously who and can do the job needed now?
 

torchomatic

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  • Dec 4, 2016
  • #41
Paxman II said:
So if we are to appoint a new manager quickly who could we look to entice here? Seriously who and can do the job needed now?
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IMHO we need someone in within the next week or so. Give him a chance to view the squad so he can do something in January. Waiting longer will be pointless.
 
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ccfcway

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  • Dec 4, 2016
  • #42
Paxman II said:
So if we are to appoint a new manager quickly who could we look to entice here? Seriously who and can do the job needed now?
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http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/new-manager-who-do-you-want-realistic-candidates-only.70610/
 

ccfcway

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  • Dec 4, 2016
  • #43
torchomatic said:
IMHO we need someone in within the next week or so. Give him a chance to view the squad so he can do something in January. Waiting longer will be pointless.
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He doesn't need to view the squad.

I can help.

We have a bunch of kids, loans that need to go back to free up money for CB and CM, wingers lacking in confidence and Sordell, who, you never know, might actually score if he was played up front and given some service.
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 4, 2016
  • #44
torchomatic said:
IMHO we need someone in within the next week or so. Give him a chance to view the squad so he can do something in January. Waiting longer will be pointless.
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The main problem being, we are way below break even and have to operate at 'self sufficient'. A contradiction or rather an impossibility. We cannot afford a decent manager. Even TM saw this and resigned without waiting to be sacked and therefore to receive compensation.

The structure is completely wrong. In the absence of stadium revenue of a decent size, we will only get anywhere with a huge injection of cash as equity.
 

ccfcway

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  • Dec 4, 2016
  • #45
martcov said:
We cannot afford a decent manager. Even TM saw this and resigned without waiting to be sacked and therefore to receive compensation. .
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To be fair, TM was shocking this season and walked before he was pushed. At no point this season could TM be deemed "decent"
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 4, 2016
  • #46
ccfcway said:
To be fair, TM was shocking this season and walked before he was pushed. At no point this season could TM be deemed "decent"
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Not even by leaving? I thought that was the decent thing to do at that time...
 
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Rory83

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 4, 2016
  • #47
Had Lee Clarke been available and he been willing, given the position the club is in and lack of funds, I'd say bring him in.

Venus doesn't even sound interested, he'll probably thinks he'll ride this out either at the helm or in the background and then get into a steady coaching job somewhere else along the line.



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ccfcway

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  • Dec 4, 2016
  • #48
martcov said:
Not even by leaving? I thought that was the decent thing to do at that time...
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keeps his dignity and credibility in tact. He has saved the club some money, but lets get this right, he had a 2 year plan to get us promoted and not only failed, but may have laid the foundations to get us relegated.
 
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Hobo

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  • Dec 4, 2016
  • #49
Skybluefaz said:
When TM left my mate who does comms for Wolves told me Rob Edwards (Wolves coach) was applying for the job. When I asked why he'd do a silly thing like that he basically said because at cov you have nothing to lose. If it goes tits up, everyone blames the owners.
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It is not the level of investment, it is the lack of leadership and ambition. The lack of a plan or company structure. When they have had talent they have sold at the first opportunity. It has been crisis management by the owners. SISU have only achieved failure after failure....and that is just in the boardroom before you start looking at all the other area.
 
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colin101

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  • Dec 4, 2016
  • #50
As a matter of interest how many points off a play off position?
Get rid of MV, TF ASAP and find someone who loves the club

PUSB
City till I die
 
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Ashdown

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  • Dec 4, 2016
  • #51
Hobo said:
It is not the level of investment, it is the lack of leadership and ambition. The lack of a plan or company structure. When they have had talent they have sold at the first opportunity. It has been crisis management by the owners. SISU have only achieved failure after failure....and that is just in the boardroom before you start looking at all the other area.
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Don't talk such sense, the usual crowd want to seek to blame the umpteen failed managers that have had an 'adequate budget' to work with !!.......like they fucking know just how and when that budget is applied !
 
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cloughie

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  • Dec 4, 2016
  • #52
chiefdave said:
That sounded like someone who isn't going to be in the job by the next game. Question is will anyone sack him, does Fisher care enough to do it. Then we would probably end up with Oggy.

At the very least they need to come out and say Venus isn't getting it permanently and the search is on.
Get someone in before the window opens so they have time to asses the squad and see what needs to be done.
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that will be a bit like the search for the new ground
 
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torchomatic

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  • Dec 4, 2016
  • #53
Ashdown said:
Don't talk such sense, the usual crowd want to seek to blame the umpteen failed managers that have had an 'adequate budget' to work with !!.......like they fucking know just how and when that budget is applied !
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FFS, "the usual crowd". The budget was fine last season with the same pairing but not this season. So what has gone wrong?
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 4, 2016
  • #54
Ashdown said:
Don't talk such sense, the usual crowd want to seek to blame the umpteen failed managers that have had an 'adequate budget' to work with !!.......like they fucking know just how and when that budget is applied !
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I guess the budget is smaller than Cambridge's right?
 
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ccfcway

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  • Dec 4, 2016
  • #55
Nick said:
I guess the budget is smaller than Cambridge's right?
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Their wage budget was £1.1m last season, where the highest earner was on 1.5k a week
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Dec 4, 2016
  • #56
Ashdown said:
Don't talk such sense, the usual crowd want to seek to blame the umpteen failed managers that have had an 'adequate budget' to work with !!.......like they fucking know just how and when that budget is applied !
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The managers are the people who selected the players and tactics are they not? And to that end they have to shoulder some of the blame. Not all, but some.
 
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ccfcway

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  • Dec 4, 2016
  • #57
Skybluefaz said:
The managers are the people who selected the players and tactics are they not? And to that end they have to shoulder some of the blame. Not all, but some.
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not all, but most. Our budget is vastly bigger than Cambridge. They wanted it today and we didn't
 

hill83

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  • Dec 4, 2016
  • #58
no_loyalty said:
Clive keeps saying that Fisher is coming on the CWR Friday night phone in sometime soon but I think he will bottle it, there will be too many fans waiting outside the studio for him
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Who gives a flying fucking shit if he does though. What is going to change. Who's going to believe what he says. It's all a load of bollocks.
 
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torchomatic

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  • Dec 4, 2016
  • #59
ccfcway said:
not all, but most. Our budget is vastly bigger than Cambridge. They wanted it today and we didn't
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True, we "didn't want it", but the vast majority of those players shouldn't be in our first eleven. If TM/MV had done their homework properly in the summer then I doubt we would be in such a shitty position. They had the budget and they pissed it away in a panic.
 
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hill83

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  • Dec 4, 2016
  • #60
Marty said:
I agree, need someone in as soon as possible, need a big hard bastard the players will hate. Fuck em, they've been molly coddled too long, Don't like it, fuck off and find another club to play for.
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You say that, but half the team is new players. It's not like we've had the same molly coddled players for the last 5 years. None of them are good enough.
 

covhead1

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  • Dec 4, 2016
  • #61
torchomatic said:
I honestly don't think I would keep any of them that played today.
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Totally agree
And there lies a big problem, we don't just need one or two key players, we need a whole new fucking squad and a manager of course.
We really are fucked!
 
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skyblueheaven

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  • Dec 4, 2016
  • #62
UOTE="hill83, post: 1210729, member: 285"]Who gives a flying fucking shit if he does though. What is going to change. Who's going to believe what he says. It's all a load of bollocks.[/QUOTE]
hill83 said:
Who gives a flying fucking shit if he does though. What is going to change. Who's going to believe what he says. It's all a load of bollocks.
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Well said that man, totally agree.
 

Otis

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  • Dec 4, 2016
  • #63
torchomatic said:
FFS, "the usual crowd". The budget was fine last season with the same pairing but not this season. So what has gone wrong?
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Recruitment.

We've either got a bottom 4 budget or we haven't.

If we haven't, we have totally buggered up on signings in the summer.
 
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torchomatic

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  • Dec 4, 2016
  • #64
Otis said:
Recruitment.

We've either got a bottom 4 budget or we haven't.

If we haven't, we have totally buggered up on signings in the summer.
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Yes, recruitment as I've said on a hundred posts, but Ashdown seems to disagree. Nothing to do with recruitment for him.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 4, 2016
  • #65
torchomatic said:
FFS, "the usual crowd". The budget was fine last season with the same pairing but not this season. So what has gone wrong?
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I've no idea torch. Sisu are a cancer on our club!!!
 

Hobo

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  • Dec 4, 2016
  • #66
Nick said:
I guess the budget is smaller than Cambridge's right?
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No but the boardroom leadership is smaller. That is where the tone for an organisation is set.

Jimmy Hill was chosen, appointed, for a reason. He had a backer who shared a dream and a plan.
 
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ccfcway

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  • Dec 4, 2016
  • #67
torchomatic said:
True, we "didn't want it", but the vast majority of those players shouldn't be in our first eleven. If TM/MV had done their homework properly in the summer then I doubt we would be in such a shitty position. They had the budget and they pissed it away in a panic.
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Not sure they even spent it,
 

torchomatic

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  • Dec 4, 2016
  • #68
ccfcway said:
Not sure they even spent it,
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They didn't. TM said there was money left. Makes his acquisitions even more infuriating.
 
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  • Dec 4, 2016
  • #69
torchomatic said:
FFS, "the usual crowd". The budget was fine last season with the same pairing but not this season. So what has gone wrong?
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Last season was the form exception, this season is the rule?
 

torchomatic

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  • Dec 4, 2016
  • #70
Deleted member 5849 said:
Last season was the form exception, this season is the rule?
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Well, it is a different team so I'm not sure about that.
 
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