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Brighton Sky Blue · Dec 10, 2021

fatso said:
Apparently,the new mutations occur in the vaccinated, not the unvaccinated.
If your unvaccinated, your body will eventually kill the virus (if the virus doesn't kill you first)
But in the vaccinated, the virus can still live on even after you have no symptoms.
This apparently is when it can mutate.

Also, if your unvaccinated, and you come into contact with an infected person, you MUST isolate. But if your vaccinated you don't have to isolate, so your free to potentially spread the virus further!

So in short, the vaccinated are spreading the virus, and incubating new variants!

Hahahaha, where to start with this.

1. Vaccination has a statistically significant effect of preventing infection full stop compared to not being vaxxed. If the virus is neutralised soon after entering the body, it cannot replicate and so cannot mutate. This is quite different to taking several weeks for natural immunity to do the job.

2. We can look at the origins of the main variants of concern to emerge. Alpha, Beta, Delta and Omicron all from unvaccinated individuals with Brazil’s ‘let it rip’ approach turning it into a continental Petri dish.

You don’t understand the biology or the epidemiology, so have turned to people with titles as though it confers automatic legitimacy on what they say. Think for yourself from a truly objective standpoint and you’ll see those in the majority have the weight of peer review and cutting edge science on their side. Good luck extracting yourself from the rabbit hole

stupot07 · Dec 10, 2021

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100 miles from Cov. · Dec 11, 2021

How does holding a vaccine passport when it is possible to still catch and transmit the virus even when vaccinated make any difference? The injection as I understand just lessens the symptoms in the carrier. So in that case the vaccinated are more likely to not know they have the virus when going around doing their day to day than someone who hasn’t been jabbed. The jabbed are therefore more likely to spread it as they do not realise that they have it.

Deleted member 5849 · Dec 11, 2021

Rich74 said:
he injection as I understand just lessens the symptoms in the carrier.

You are more likely to not catch Covid if you have had the vaccine.

shmmeee · Dec 11, 2021

Rich74 said:
How does holding a vaccine passport when it is possible to still catch and transmit the virus even when vaccinated make any difference? The injection as I understand just lessens the symptoms in the carrier. So in that case the vaccinated are more likely to not know they have the virus when going around doing their day to day than someone who hasn’t been jabbed. The jabbed are therefore more likely to spread it as they do not realise that they have it.

It’s still possible to get someone pregnant wearing a condom. That doesn’t make condoms useless.

Symptoms are reduced I believe because viral load is reduced, which also lessens the chance of spreading it and the severity if it is spread.

100 miles from Cov. · Dec 11, 2021

shmmeee said:
It’s still possible to get someone pregnant wearing a condom. That doesn’t make condoms useless.

Symptoms are reduced I believe because viral load is reduced, which also lessens the chance of spreading it and the severity if it is spread.

So to what extent does it lessen the the symptoms and spread. The point of still having it and still spreading it stands. I think I may have it now so I’m at home feeling a bit shit but not worried that I may die from it. If I had been injected I may be out and about spreading it to others. The covid pass still makes no sense to me.

Grendel · Dec 11, 2021

Rich74 said:
So to what extent does it lessen the the symptoms and spread. The point of still having it and still spreading it stands. I think I may have it now so I’m at home feeling a bit shit but not worried that I may die from it. If I had been injected I may be out and about spreading it to others. The covid pass still makes no sense to me.

well it clearly lessons the symptoms

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shmmeee · Dec 11, 2021

Rich74 said:
So to what extent does it lessen the the symptoms and spread. The point of still having it and still spreading it stands. I think I may have it now so I’m at home feeling a bit shit but not worried that I may die from it. If I had been injected I may be out and about spreading it to others. The covid pass still makes no sense to me.

Not all infections are equal. And you can still get a mild infection if you’re unvaxxed.

How much less likely are you to spread covid-19 if you're vaccinated?

A man getting vaccinated in LA People who are fully vaccinated against covid-19 are far less likely to infect others, despite the arrival of the delta variant, several studies show. The findings refute the idea, which has become common in some circles, that vaccines no longer do much to prevent...

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Research suggests you’re about 60% less likely to pass it on if you’re vaxxed.

100 miles from Cov. · Dec 11, 2021

shmmeee said:
Not all infections are equal. And you can still get a mild infection if you’re unvaxxed.

How much less likely are you to spread covid-19 if you're vaccinated?

A man getting vaccinated in LA People who are fully vaccinated against covid-19 are far less likely to infect others, despite the arrival of the delta variant, several studies show. The findings refute the idea, which has become common in some circles, that vaccines no longer do much to prevent...

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Research suggests you’re about 60% less likely to pass it on if you’re vaxxed.

That report is against the delta variant. Now that the omicron is in town what are the latest findings? Plus it also states fully vaccinated. Now is that 2 injections or 3? The passport may give peace of mind to some people but surely the test would be a truer way of knowing before entering a venue.

Grendel · Dec 11, 2021

Rich74 said:
That report is against the delta variant. Now that the omicron is in town what are the latest findings? Plus it also states fully vaccinated. Now is that 2 injections or 3? The passport may give peace of mind to some people but surely the test would be a truer way of knowing before entering a venue.

No it wouldn’t tests can easily be forged and also are only relevant at the point they are taken

100 miles from Cov. · Dec 11, 2021

Grendel said:
No it wouldn’t tests can easily be forged and also are only relevant at the point they are taken

And your point is?

Grendel · Dec 11, 2021

Rich74 said:
And your point is?

My point is

Its not reliable
The person can catch covid once they have the test and still attend an event
most important is clearly those not vaccinated are stupid, selfish of both so will not care much about submitting a negative result even if it’s positive

Brighton Sky Blue · Dec 11, 2021

Rich74 said:
So to what extent does it lessen the the symptoms and spread. The point of still having it and still spreading it stands. I think I may have it now so I’m at home feeling a bit shit but not worried that I may die from it. If I had been injected I may be out and about spreading it to others. The covid pass still makes no sense to me.

So your genius plan is for nobody to have been vaccinated?

Sky Blue Harry H · Dec 11, 2021

The phrase 'never argue with an idiot, as they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience' comes to mind.

100 miles from Cov. · Dec 11, 2021

Sky Blue Harry H said:
The phrase 'never argue with an idiot, as they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with

Sky Blue Harry H said:
The phrase 'never argue with an idiot, as they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience' comes to mind.

Who is arguing.? I thought it was a discussion. How rude.

Grendel · Dec 11, 2021

Sky Blue Harry H said:
The phrase 'never argue with an idiot, as they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience' comes to mind.

The anti vax group always have certain strategies

This is the latest - namely those getting vaccinated are the spreaders

100 miles from Cov. · Dec 11, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
So your genius plan is for nobody to have been vaccinated?

How about answering the question rather than not?

Brighton Sky Blue · Dec 11, 2021

Rich74 said:
Who is arguing.? I thought it was a discussion. How rude.

Well I see two people claiming that the vaccinated are the super spreaders in their latest attempt to justify their belief of social media nonsense

Grendel · Dec 11, 2021

Rich74 said:
How about answering the question rather than not?

The question has been answered

Brighton Sky Blue · Dec 11, 2021

Rich74 said:
How about answering the question rather than not?

The peer reviewed clinical data on that has been out for ages. Just look that up rather than cranks on TikTok

steve cooper · Dec 11, 2021

Rich74 said:
So to what extent does it lessen the the symptoms and spread. The point of still having it and still spreading it stands. I think I may have it now so I’m at home feeling a bit shit but not worried that I may die from it. If I had been injected I may be out and about spreading it to others. The covid pass still makes no sense to me.

Hopefully you won't need to go to hospital, and will recover quickly.
I take it you have not been vaccinated, however if you had been it's likely the symptoms would be less severe than you have now, and maybe would be the difference whether you have to go into hospital or not, hence leaving that admission to hospital free for someone else.

100 miles from Cov. · Dec 11, 2021

Grendel said:
The anti vax group always have certain strategies

This is the latest - namely those getting vaccinated are the spreaders

Ah the anti vax shaming. I guess you will soon be calling me a conspiracy theorist soon too. Can we not discuss the pros and cons of the passport without resorting to name calling?

100 miles from Cov. · Dec 11, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
The peer reviewed clinical data on that has been out for ages. Just look that up rather than cranks on TikTok

I read the data posted above and that relates to delta. My question related to the new variant. How can they know?

Grendel · Dec 11, 2021

Rich74 said:
Ah the anti vax shaming. I guess you will soon be calling me a conspiracy theorist soon too. Can we not discuss the pros and cons of the passport without resorting to name calling?

The pros of the passport are that they do not discriminate and allow those who have taken the vaccine freedom - it prevents total lockdown of all of society

If those who choose not to be vaccinated are impacted that is their choice

Sky Blue Harry H · Dec 11, 2021

Rich74 said:
Who is arguing.? I thought it was a discussion. How rude.

You made the assumption I was referring to you - interesting.

100 miles from Cov. · Dec 11, 2021

steve cooper said:
Hopefully you won't need to go to hospital, and will recover quickly.
I take it you have not been vaccinated, however if you had been it's likely the symptoms would be less severe than you have now, and maybe would be the difference whether you have to go into hospital or not, hence leaving that admission to hospital free for someone else.

I won’t need to go to hospital. I’m sure of that. My ‘space’ there can go to someone who lives an unhealthy lifestyle instead.

Brighton Sky Blue · Dec 11, 2021

Rich74 said:
I read the data posted above and that relates to delta. My question related to the new variant. How can they know?

The data needs time to be gathered and reviewed. But what makes you think that vaccination will have no effect? My strong guess is because you haven’t believed in them all along. Otherwise you’d have had it throughout this year when Alpha and Delta were dominant.

100 miles from Cov. · Dec 11, 2021

Sky Blue Harry H said:
You made the assumption I was referring to you - interesting.

Oh I’m sorry. Who were you referring to then?

Grendel · Dec 11, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
The data needs time to be gathered and reviewed. But what makes you think that vaccination will have no effect? My strong guess is because you haven’t believed in them all along. Otherwise you’d have had it throughout this year when Alpha and Delta were dominant.

And anyway the vaccine can be tweaked can it not to make it better in terms of protection

Sky Blue Harry H · Dec 11, 2021

Rich74 said:
I won’t need to go to hospital. I’m sure of that. My ‘space’ there can go to someone who lives an unhealthy lifestyle instead.

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Brighton Sky Blue · Dec 11, 2021

Grendel said:
And anyway the vaccine can be tweaked can it not to make it better in terms of protection

It’s extremely easy to do that yes, especially for the mRNA jabs. Future boosters should be variant specific

100 miles from Cov. · Dec 11, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
The data needs time to be gathered and reviewed. But what makes you think that vaccination will have no effect? My strong guess is because you haven’t believed in them all along. Otherwise you’d have had it throughout this year when Alpha and Delta were dominant.

Where did I say vaccination will have no effect? My point was even if vaccinated it is still possible to catch and transmit it. Let’s all start again.

mark82 · Dec 11, 2021

Rich74 said:
I read the data posted above and that relates to delta. My question related to the new variant. How can they know?

There's already been an initial study on the new variant that shows those vaccinated, particularly with the booster, have more protection. More protection means less likely to catch, and if you do catch lower viral load (meaning less symptoms and less likely to spread).

mark82 · Dec 11, 2021

Rich74 said:
Where did I say vaccination will have no effect? My point was even if vaccinated it is still possible to catch and transmit it. Let’s all start again.

Possible but less likely.

MatthewWallis · Dec 11, 2021

I was double jabbed when I tested positive in July. I live with 3 other adults and one child and no one else caught it off me. So if I spend 10 days with others and I didn’t pass it on then I think the vaccines might just work in reducing the spread

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