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It's the duty of young people to get the virus according to Professor Gupta from Oxford University
 

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It's the duty of young people to get the virus according to Professor Gupta from Oxford University
Not sure i'd use the term "duty", but i posted this on a Twitter thread at the weekend, and it seemed to gain some traction ...

" I think there is an argument for letting it run rife through the entire student population so they gain whatever immunity (e.g. T-cells) they can, and can return safely to their family. The problem is how to protect wider communities and staff at Unis without imposing the hall lockdowns that students hate"

The difficulty with that last bit is that everyone in a "household" is legally required to self-isolate for 14 days (or until a negative test is received from the source case) in the event that anyone in that household reports symptoms or tests positive. In a Hall of Residence, the definition of a "household" is regarded as anyone sharing kitchen or common-room facilities. At Warwick, due to the slightly ageing nature of some of the residences, that can be up to about 28 students. Therefore (to avoid lots of students having to self-isolate unnecessarily) it is crucial that negative tests and contact tracing for positives are communicated as swiftly as possible. Our on-site Test & Trace service is currently completing ALL contact tracing the same day the results come back, 7 days a week.
But the students need to play their part too - term starts next week, and we have NO idea how it will go!
 
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On the one hand: morons.
On the other: hardly surprising when you lock a bunch of 18 year olds away from him for the first time up together.
Agreed. I also know what I would’ve been like at 18 (so won’t pass any further comment !!!)
 

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Well they did climb onto a ping-pong table too! Utterly unacceptable behaviour!!
Created a bit of a ping-pong ding-dong. Could've been worse as they could've had a sing-song and we know under coronavirus that a no-no and if you do that you may as well have just grabbed a mallet and killed your granny.
 

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As long as when they are disciplined by the uni....and one or two possibly sent down. And when they are quarantined and isolated if the COVID rips through the Halls they don’t bleat that life’s so unfair. Actions have consequences and everyone knows what is currently happening. I don’t blame them for having a bit of fun but they have been found out.


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As long as when they are disciplined by the uni....and one or two possibly sent down. And when they are quarantined and isolated if the COVID rips through the Halls they don’t bleat that life’s so unfair. Actions have consequences and everyone knows what is currently happening. I don’t blame them for having a bit of fun but they have been found out.
But quite a few students were arguing why are we paying all this money for stuff we can do from home and not have to pay all these extra expenses living on campus? Yet they were told they had to return, did, and then almost immediately were told they weren't allowed out.

Of course there are just as many that wanted to go back because they want the freedom and 'experience', but don't tar them all with the same brush.

Plenty of those flouting rules in shops/pubs and that were on the anti-restrictions demos were a lot older and working age. Should everyone of working age therefore be classified as a Covidiot? Or do we treat people as individuals in that respect?
 

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As long as when they are disciplined by the uni....and one or two possibly sent down. And when they are quarantined and isolated if the COVID rips through the Halls they don’t bleat that life’s so unfair. Actions have consequences and everyone knows what is currently happening. I don’t blame them for having a bit of fun but they have been found out.


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Fuck sake- sent down??

This is just another example of "blame the people instead of us for our mismanagement and demanding they went back in the first place"

Do you want to "send down" all those blokes who went to Trafalgar Square- I know which is riskier between that and these kids locked away messing about
 
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I didn't see anyone suggesting all the old folks get sent to prison for having VE day parties......and that was during lockdown proper!
 
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Fuck sake- sent down??

This is just another example of "blame the people instead of us for our mismanagement and demanding they went back in the first place"

Do you want to "send down" all those blokes who went to Trafalgar Square- I know which is riskier between that and these kids locked away messing about
Let them all get it, get over it, be immune to it (probably, at least for a few months), then not pose a risk to others who would suffer more severe disease.
The problem with that is the law, which says you and your household (see my earlier post in this thread) are required to self-isolate if you have it. So let them do all their learning online (which is being made achieveable in most unis), then get back into society after two weeks or so.

There needs to be a way of protecting the wider (more vulnerable) community and university staff. I don't know what that is, other than keeping them isolated (but supported) in some way.
 

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Let them all get it, get over it, be immune to it (probably, at least for a few months), then not pose a risk to others who would suffer more severe disease.
The problem with that is the law, which says you and your household (see my earlier post in this thread) are required to self-isolate if you have it. So let them do all their learning online (which is being made achieveable in most unis), then get back into society after two weeks or so.

There needs to be a way of protecting the wider (more vulnerable) community and university staff. I don't know what that is, other than keeping them isolated (but supported) in some way.
What am I missing here. Even if they all have immunity, does that stop them passing it on to other people?
 

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As long as when they are disciplined by the uni....and one or two possibly sent down. And when they are quarantined and isolated if the COVID rips through the Halls they don’t bleat that life’s so unfair. Actions have consequences and everyone knows what is currently happening. I don’t blame them for having a bit of fun but they have been found out.


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Have a day off. Sent down?
 

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What am I missing here. Even if they all have immunity, does that stop them passing it on to other people?
As far as i understand it, you need to have an active infection to be actively shedding the virus to pass on to others. What is one of the many unknowns at the moment (and i have asked for colleagues on the latest available -credible- data on this) is to what extent someone can pass it on if they don't have symptoms, as is the case for many 18-21 year olds.
I'll update if i hear anything
But to my mind, every one of the students in that Daily Fail video is likely to be positive, unless they have had it previously.
What self-respecting student sends their videos to the fucking Mail anyway? Or are they just trawling social media?
 

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As far as i understand it, you need to have an active infection to be actively shedding the virus to pass on to others. What is one of the many unknowns at the moment (and i have asked for colleagues on the latest available -credible- data on this) is to what extent someone can pass it on if they don't have symptoms, as is the case for many 18-21 year olds.
I'll update if i hear anything
But to my mind, every one of the students in that Daily Fail video is likely to be positive, unless they have had it previously.
What self-respecting student sends their videos to the fucking Mail anyway? Or are they just trawling social media?
It's on social media with beggy journalists all over it.
 

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As far as i understand it, you need to have an active infection to be actively shedding the virus to pass on to others. What is one of the many unknowns at the moment (and i have asked for colleagues on the latest available -credible- data on this) is to what extent someone can pass it on if they don't have symptoms, as is the case for many 18-21 year olds.
I'll update if i hear anything
But to my mind, every one of the students in that Daily Fail video is likely to be positive, unless they have had it previously.
What self-respecting student sends their videos to the fucking Mail anyway? Or are they just trawling social media?
I think the question being asked is that even though they will be able to fight the infection and it wouldn't last as long in their system, is there still a window that they could transmit it to others before their body fought it off, or just spread it via touching things because it's present on their skin?

That is also assuming that people have long term immunity after infection, which has yet to be confirmed and there do appear to be cases of people getting the infection a second time.
 

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I dont blame them but they have probably increased the risk rating of Coventry as a result (think we are a medium as of yesterday before this new broke) , the majority won't originally be from the city either!

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Can I just add these are private halls so could quite conceivably be Coventry and Warwick students.



But mainly will be Cov.
 

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I think the question being asked is that even though they will be able to fight the infection and it wouldn't last as long in their system, is there still a window that they could transmit it to others before their body fought it off, or just spread it via touching things because it's present on their skin?

That is also assuming that people have long term immunity after infection, which has yet to be confirmed and there do appear to be cases of people getting the infection a second time.
That's what i am asking my epidemiology colleagues to clarify the latest data. But it appears that while antibody (B-cell) immunity is quite short-lived, the more persistent T-cells stick around for some time. The data on the repeat infections are not particularly convincing in my view, nor that surprising. There have been over a million deaths, and christ knows how many infected people, yet only a small handful of reports of repeat infection (and with much milder outcomes second time around), unlike chickenpox in which multiple infections is RELATIVELY common!
 
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So glad camera phones weren’t really a thing in my day.
Yep. Often a favourite drunken discussion.... I dread to think, I really do.

That said, sorting raves would have been a piece of cake as opposed to our old skool method of driving in ever decreasing circles in ever increasing convoys until someone got the phonebox message. RAVE ON !
 
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So glad camera phones weren’t really a thing in my day.
I don't get the logic with some of it, not just this but in general.

Dangerous.

Although the time we had an all dayer in Gringos and kept undoing the lids on the salt and watching people put salt on their chips would have gone viral on youtube. OMG LOLZ WOWZ.
 

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Let them all get it, get over it, be immune to it (probably, at least for a few months), then not pose a risk to others who would suffer more severe disease.
The problem with that is the law, which says you and your household (see my earlier post in this thread) are required to self-isolate if you have it. So let them do all their learning online (which is being made achieveable in most unis), then get back into society after two weeks or so.

There needs to be a way of protecting the wider (more vulnerable) community and university staff. I don't know what that is, other than keeping them isolated (but supported) in some way.
“in some way” doing a lot of heavy lifting in this post. Surely one of the lessons of lockdown 1 was that you can’t effectively bubble people in modern society?
 
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That's what i am asking my epidemiology colleagues to clarify the latest data. But it appears that while antibody (B-cell) immunity is quite short-lived, the more persistent T-cells stick around for some time. The data on the repeat infections are not particularly convincing in my view, nor that surprising. There have been over a million deaths, and christ knows how many infected people, yet only a small handful of reports of repeat infection (and with much milder outcomes second time around), unlike chickenpox in which multiple infections is RELATIVELY common!
Milder outcomes would mean unlikely to get tests again though, no? I really hope you’re right. One thread I’ve been clinging to is my immediate family can’t get it again and bring it home to vulnerable people.
 

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“in some way” doing a lot of heavy lifting in this post. Surely one of the lessons of lockdown 1 was that you can’t effectively bubble people in modern society?
I happen to believe that one of the lessons from Lockdown 1 is that it *worked* in bringing cases/hospital admissions/deaths DOWN. The drive to save the economy meant that it was eased too fast, too soon, which is causing this second spike (in many areas). But MUCH of that is due to household mixing, not students having a bit of a Freshers party.