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Match Thread Coventry City vs Newcastle United [PL] (H) - CBS Arena - Mon 12 October (8pm KO) (5 Viewers)

I wouldn't take that performance they turned in very well either in fairness

Can't believe their best manager in yonks was allowed to leave as easy as he was, I know he technically resigned but there is a bit of a feeling his hand was forced - x2 UCL qualifications and a trophy, he had more than enough credit in the bank for a below par season last season, he should still be their manager as far as I am concerned I would be gutted he isn't if I was an NUFC fan
Howe had taken us as far as he could and he didn't feel he could deliver the new Newcastle United. It's a shame he left when he did because we didn't get a chance to say thanks, but last season it was clear that his journey was at an end. Bournemouth fans I know say it was similar to his end with them. He's a top manager and a top man, but his limitations are laid bare by fixture pile up and a lack of depth.

Basically, the financial reality means that we have had to change our approach. We thought we could buy good players, have them well coached and get CL or win a trophy.

Then the elite clubs flex their influence, the rat downs tools and the rot takes hold. We were genuinely 2-3 good signings from a title challenge but with Isak forcing a move, the 25/26 season is utterly derailed, we can't sign a good replacement because every top club in the world is buying a striker so we end up with Dieter Crouch. Tonali half-hearts his way through the season, Gordon is too busy topping up his Duolingo Spanish score to give a shit outside the CL and Bruno is tentatively taking sidesteps towards the door.

It wasn't that Howe had lost the dressing room, it's just his brand of football needed players who were 100% committed and, sad to say, too many of our key players weren't any more.

Anyway, the game is rigged. Man Utd can be in £1bn debt, and still pick a well run club clean, if they want. Spurs can avoid the flush 12 seasons in a row, spunking hundreds of millions on champagne charlies and still wobble on regardless. Whereas no matter how well they recruit, how shrewd their managerial appointments are, Brentford, Bournemouth and Brighton will never challenge for the title consistently. They will never be anything more than a try-before-you-buy function for the Red Cartel. Shut up, I'm not sour because of the shellacking we got, you are.
 
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Anyway, the game is rigged. Man Utd can be in £1bn debt, and still pick a well run club clean, if they want. Spurs can avoid the flush 12 seasons in a row, spunking hundreds of millions on champagne charlies and still wobble on regardless. Whereas no matter how well they recruit, how shrewd their managerial appointments are, Brentford, Bournemouth and Brighton will never challenge for the title consistently. They will never be anything more than a try-before-you-buy function for the Red Cartel. Shut up, I'm not sour because of the shellacking we got, you are.
I get your frustrations - I see Everton have been put up for sale and you have to question what ambitious businessman would want to purchase them knowing that it will be a bit of a struggle to get anywhere near the top
 
Nonsensical to me that Eddie Howe is not still Newcastle's manager

I don't think Howe was up to much really. Never great when the heat was turned up and just a PL journeyman manager
 
I don't think Howe was up to much really. Never great when the heat was turned up and just a PL journeyman manager
Hardly a journeyman, he has had 3 different full time positions, Frank has had 4 and we wouldn't label him a journeyman

Think he did a stellar job at Newcastle myself but guess people see things differently
 
Hardly a journeyman, he has had 3 different full time positions, Frank has had 4 and we wouldn't label him a journeyman

Think he did a stellar job at Newcastle myself but guess people see things differently

He managed Bournemouth when they had an obscene budget in the lower leagues - fluffed it at Burnley and then went back. He did OK at Newcastle when they has a big budget but then just fell back to mediocrity.

Howe has been a manager for 17 years - Lampard for 6 including a gap.
 
Bit harsh, no? Monday night, tea is almost immediately 1-0 down thanks to a penalty and then you subsequently seemed to score with pretty much every subsequent shot, whereas we couldn't find the banjo, or the cow, let alone get one to hit the other.

Come up to SJP, hopefully you'll see some fervour then.
Your players needed you at 1-0. Completely get coming to Cov isn't glamorous for you and for us every game is a cup final, but still. Really quiet
 
Wonder if this account is a Newcastle fan.
Most if not all of their socials from fans said we were shit and will go down.
This is an interesting assessment of the game;

A textbook example of bollocks analysis given by lads who learned the game on championship manager and put maximum effort into ticking all the bullshit bingo boxes
 
A textbook example of bollocks analysis given by lads who learned the game on championship manager and put maximum effort into ticking all the bullshit bingo boxes
The weird thing is every single post on X from Newcastle fans or related "twitter journo's" said we were a terrible side - zero credit at all from any of them!!!
 
A textbook example of bollocks analysis given by lads who learned the game on championship manager and put maximum effort into ticking all the bullshit bingo boxes
in another post he says FL not having a "set game model" was a bad thing like setting up your weaker team to counter a straonger team is a bad thing.

Yep as you said Football manager twats
 
We’ve all decided it’s Gboho based on a CWR caller saying he wasn’t shaking hands after the game 🤷🏻‍♀️
It's a shame if true. I wondered too about Hamer. I imagine he would have thought he would be starting. And Tchaouna, where was he? Injured?
 
A happy Ellis will score a few goals, look at that smile.😁
 
Howe had taken us as far as he could and he didn't feel he could deliver the new Newcastle United. It's a shame he left when he did because we didn't get a chance to say thanks, but last season it was clear that his journey was at an end. Bournemouth fans I know say it was similar to his end with them. He's a top manager and a top man, but his limitations are laid bare by fixture pile up and a lack of depth.

Basically, the financial reality means that we have had to change our approach. We thought we could buy good players, have them well coached and get CL or win a trophy.

Then the elite clubs flex their influence, the rat downs tools and the rot takes hold. We were genuinely 2-3 good signings from a title challenge but with Isak forcing a move, the 25/26 season is utterly derailed, we can't sign a good replacement because every top club in the world is buying a striker so we end up with Dieter Crouch. Tonali half-hearts his way through the season, Gordon is too busy topping up his Duolingo Spanish score to give a shit outside the CL and Bruno is tentatively taking sidesteps towards the door.

It wasn't that Howe had lost the dressing room, it's just his brand of football needed players who were 100% committed and, sad to say, too many of our key players weren't any more.
That last paragraph contradicts the rest; things tailed off because bigger clubs wanted your players and their heads were turned. Perhaps you can say he should have kept them focused, but it's difficult when players are set on moving. Though Isak's behaviour to force a move was deeply unprofessional, you can hardly blame him for wanting to move to a bigger club with a better chance of winning trophies.

As for 'red cartels', tbh, I'd rather see traditionally large clubs win than see murderous illiberal nation states buy clubs to use as soft power PR and try to buy trophies. Flog on the Tyne, indeed. Also, not sure where Manchester United fit into this 'red cartel', as they're clearly hamstrung by awful owners, and are an upper mid-table team at most. Brighton have a better shout than they do. They're still a huge club, but they're not a healthy one.

Clubs like Brentford and Brighton have never been able to win the league (Bournemouth are just a financially doped League One sized club); well run clubs like them have always been feeding grounds for the top clubs; it's kind of their business model. I'm also not that sorry that people like Walker, Hall or Harding can't come in and try to buy titles (with varying degrees of success); that's just luck as to who gets bankrolled; good for the lucky fans, but sucks boo to the rest. Maybe things were more egalitarian in the 60s, 70s and before, but since I've been following the game, football's always had big clubs more likely to win the titles. The only real (and sad) thing is the drop-off in cups. Who were the last outsiders to win one of the cups? Wigan (who were bankrolled themselves)? Swansea?
 
That last paragraph contradicts the rest; things tailed off because bigger clubs wanted your players and their heads were turned. Perhaps you can say he should have kept them focused, but it's difficult when players are set on moving. Though Isak's behaviour to force a move was deeply unprofessional, you can hardly blame him for wanting to move to a bigger club with a better chance of winning trophies.

As for 'red cartels', tbh, I'd rather see traditionally large clubs win than see murderous illiberal nation states buy clubs to use as soft power PR and try to buy trophies. Flog on the Tyne, indeed. Also, not sure where Manchester United fit into this 'red cartel', as they're clearly hamstrung by awful owners, and are an upper mid-table team at most. Brighton have a better shout than they do. They're still a huge club, but they're not a healthy one.

Clubs like Brentford and Brighton have never been able to win the league (Bournemouth are just a financially doped League One sized club); well run clubs like them have always been feeding grounds for the top clubs; it's kind of their business model. I'm also not that sorry that people like Walker, Hall or Harding can't come in and try to buy titles (with varying degrees of success); that's just luck as to who gets bankrolled; good for the lucky fans, but sucks boo to the rest. Maybe things were more egalitarian in the 60s, 70s and before, but since I've been following the game, football's always had big clubs more likely to win the titles. The only real (and sad) thing is the drop-off in cups. Who were the last outsiders to win one of the cups? Wigan (who were bankrolled themselves)? Swansea?
Couple of years ago we had Palace win the FA Cup and Newcastle win the league cup. Outside of that though, which was a nice change of pace, you do have to go all the way back to Wigan and Swansea.
 
Couple of years ago we had Palace win the FA Cup and Newcastle win the league cup. Outside of that though, which was a nice change of pace, you do have to go all the way back to Wigan and Swansea.
Forgot about Palace. You can add Leicester, too (though another financially doped club).

Remembered Newcastle, but discounted them as an outsider due to ownership.
 
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The weird thing is every single post on X from Newcastle fans or related "twitter journo's" said we were a terrible side - zero credit at all from any of them!!!

100%. One I read was "play that game again 9 times & Newcastle win all 9 comfortably".

I really don't understand it. They had 19 shots, yes, but half of those were long range punts, 8 from outside the box.

With the exception of the Pardo chance which Bobby cleared, they almost never got in behind as our offside line was solid.

We hit the post, Cherif missed 2 very good chances & there were a couple of others where we just made the wrong final decision (Rudoni trying a cutback after skinning a couple for example).

There was a bit of a wobbly 5 minutes or so after they scored (again just a potshot) but other than that I genuinely never felt concerned.
 
With the exception of the Pardo chance which Bobby cleared, they almost never got in behind as our offside line was solid.
They had two occasions in the first half where they should have scored, and Thomas' great header from under the bar also stopped them. They then had the Willock chance in the second when he blootered it over the bar; that was a presentable chance.

We had one chance in the first half when we should have scored (Cherif not squaring to Rudoni), and another they defended well right at the end of the half. Second half Cherif should have scored, and Rudoni should have shot. We also hit the post

They seem to be basing it on them having a lot of the ball. We were fortunate to go in at half-time leading, but in the second were clearly the better team.
 
Coventry vs Newcastle is a classic example of how goals change games.

Coventry went 1-0 up early through a Newcastle individual error by Hornicek and it set the theme for the rest of the game.

Coventry defended man-to-man from the goal kick but Lampard was happy to sit off in open play in a 4-4-2.

Part of the reason he was so content in doing this was because of how many bodies Newcastle and Jaissle poured forwards.

Newcastle attacked in a 4-3-3 with both #8's high and between the lines alongside the fullbacks being on different lines to the wingers, thus leaving Gonzalez, Thiaw, and Botman to manage the build-up against Coventry's front 2.

From Lampard's perspective, he was happy to take the risk of sitting off defensively with Newcastle pouring so many bodies forwards with spaces free in counter-attacking moments.

From Jaissle's point of view, he was happy to pour that many men forwards because of how passive Coventry's pressure was from the front but also because they only defended with 8 players low because both Rudoni and Cherif (Coventry's #9 + #10) stayed high positionally.

Realistically, Newcastle could have scored at least 3 or 4 goals on the day if they executed better. They had 1.84 xG to Coventry's 1.47 yet Newcastle's only goal was a wonder strike PLUS they had countless opportunities in big spaces where they failed to make the right pass or get a shot off (which doesn't register in the xG data).

Rudoni and Cherif helped Coventry get out and maintain a counter-attacking threat but, despite the scoreline, I'd argue that if you play that game 100 times Newcastle come out on top more often than not. Coventry were EXTREMELY open defensively because of how Lampard left the #9 and #10 high. It was hard to watch at times because there were so many spaces in and around their box.

But Newcastle shot themselves in the foot with individual errors for the first and third goal and conceded two wonder goals outside of that.

It's a concerning result, sure, but I have no doubt that Newcastle are better than the outcome suggests, and I would also argue that Coventry are worse than the outcome suggests.

Frank Lampard seems to have opted for a game-model where his teams kick direct from goal kicks, attack in a 3-1-6 with Grimes + Yirenki managing the build-up with the fullbacks high, press man-to-man from goal kicks, and sit off in a 4-4-2 with the #9 + #10 staying high in open play. It's a basic game-model but Lampard also consistently changes between a 4 and a 5 depending on the opponent. With the right group of players, I'm sure it would be enough to keep them up despite their lack of quality, but Coventry seem particularly weak quality-wise.

Rushworth can kick it far which is an asset, Dasilva + van Ewijk are mobile and dynamic going forwards, the centre backs are good box defenders but struggle with the ball at their feet but also when defending space high (Pinnock + Thomas), Grimes is a technical ball-handler who manages the build-up well, and outside of that they lack true top quality in attack.

I struggle to see them stay in the league because of that lack of quality
, mainly, and less so the Lampard game-model which, although basic, does largely give his team balance.


You can be a analysist without being a bit of a c**t right?

There's a lot of good observations in there but there is no need to try and make out Newcastle lost due to their own errors. Maybe our positioning, transitions or pressure increase the likelihood of Newcastle making those errors?
 
That last paragraph contradicts the rest; things tailed off because bigger clubs wanted your players and their heads were turned. Perhaps you can say he should have kept them focused, but it's difficult when players are set on moving. Though Isak's behaviour to force a move was deeply unprofessional, you can hardly blame him for wanting to move to a bigger club with a better chance of winning trophies.

As for 'red cartels', tbh, I'd rather see traditionally large clubs win than see murderous illiberal nation states buy clubs to use as soft power PR and try to buy trophies. Flog on the Tyne, indeed. Also, not sure where Manchester United fit into this 'red cartel', as they're clearly hamstrung by awful owners, and are an upper mid-table team at most. Brighton have a better shout than they do. They're still a huge club, but they're not a healthy one.

Clubs like Brentford and Brighton have never been able to win the league (Bournemouth are just a financially doped League One sized club); well run clubs like them have always been feeding grounds for the top clubs; it's kind of their business model. I'm also not that sorry that people like Walker, Hall or Harding can't come in and try to buy titles (with varying degrees of success); that's just luck as to who gets bankrolled; good for the lucky fans, but sucks boo to the rest. Maybe things were more egalitarian in the 60s, 70s and before, but since I've been following the game, football's always had big clubs more likely to win the titles. The only real (and sad) thing is the drop-off in cups. Who were the last outsiders to win one of the cups? Wigan (who were bankrolled themselves)? Swansea?
Things tailed off because Isak behaved terribly, financial rules meant we couldn’t plan for his replacement poperly, and our c-suite weren’t good at running a football club. Howe also couldn’t organise what we had, couldn’t juggle competitions, and wouldn’t drop favourites to give young players a chance.

I agree completely: states shouldn’t own football clubs. It’s rotten. If we’d had a choice between PIF and a mega‑rich hedge fund, we’d have taken the bankers. We weren’t consulted.

Man Utd aren’t hamstrung by anything except their own incompetence. Despite being badly run, with a decaying stadium and a recruitment department that’s not fit for purpose, they’re still in the Champions League, still spending hundreds of millions, still unsettling and poaching top players, still influencing the Premier League to protect their place. Brighton, despite being well run, modern, and analytically elite, can’t regularly reach Europe, can’t pay elite wages, and can’t attract finished‑article players. They do everything “right” and still won’t reach the top table. Ever.

It’s not that big clubs always won — it’s that success was always bought. Arsenal’s move was bankrolled, Sunderland’s early titles were bankrolled, Liverpool outspent the top flight from the second tier, Blackburn bought the league, we tried to. No club became big without sustained financial backing. Plus ça change.

Except now that kind of doping is banned. Man City spent over £1bn to catch the established clubs, but because it broke rules designed to protect those same clubs, they’re getting hammered and may never challenge again. I’m not arguing for unlimited spending — that’s also anti‑competitive. Breaking into the elite should be hard, but it shouldn’t be impossible.
 
Things tailed off because Isak behaved terribly, financial rules meant we couldn’t plan for his replacement poperly, and our c-suite weren’t good at running a football club. Howe also couldn’t organise what we had, couldn’t juggle competitions, and wouldn’t drop favourites to give young players a chance.
Sounds more like circumstance than the limitations of the manager, then, which is kind of what I said in the first place.

Apropros of nothing, but I had to google 'c-suite'. I hate corporate wank-speak. 😂
Man Utd aren’t hamstrung by anything except their own incompetence. Despite being badly run, with a decaying stadium and a recruitment department that’s not fit for purpose, they’re still in the Champions League, still spending hundreds of millions, still unsettling and poaching top players, still influencing the Premier League to protect their place.
So hamstrung by awful owners, then. Yes, in the Champions League the moment, but off the back of a season out of Europe. They only seem to qualify for it in the years that they aren't in it. I'm not sure how that's an argument for a club of their stature manipulating things to their advantage by being part of some 'red cartel'.

Incidentally, they are probably one club that you can say are organically massive. Arsenal too, even though their place in the top flight was bought, albeit 100 or so years ago. They have always been London's top side.

It's interesting, but the people I've heard decry financial fair-play rules the most are fans of Leicester, Manchester City and Newcastle. Clubs benefiting from unearnt bankrolling. You're right, it shouldn't be impossible to break into the elite, but it also shouldn't be possible to do it the way Manchester City or Chelsea did, and that Newcastle want to.

It’s not that big clubs always won — it’s that success was always bought. Arsenal’s move was bankrolled, Sunderland’s early titles were bankrolled, Liverpool outspent the top flight from the second tier, Blackburn bought the league, we tried to. No club became big without sustained financial backing. Plus ça change.
It's more big clubs are always rich. Backed, yes, of course, but mega-rich individuals financially doping clubs, a la Blackburn, Manchester City, Chelsea, etc., is particularly egregious and anti-competetive, in my opinion.

Brighton, despite being well run, modern, and analytically elite, can’t regularly reach Europe, can’t pay elite wages, and can’t attract finished‑article players. They do everything “right” and still won’t reach the top table. Ever.
Well, they're in Europe this season, their second out of the last three; could they be on their way to establishing themselves as regular competitors in Europe? Possible. Look at how far they've come; I don't think they are a great example to use for an argument of a closed shop; they are an argument for what you can do with top management and a level of backing that falls within the rules. Will they ever be 'at the top table'? Probably not, but if they ever are, it will be on the back of the incremental building that they're currently attempting.

Brighton are the model club for medium sized clubs like us; also, I'd probably add, clubs like Newcastle.
 
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Sounds more like circumstance than the limitations of the manager, then, which is kind of what I said in the first place.

Like I said he couldn't manage multiple competitions, but the performances (and results) last season domstrate how he'd unfortunately run his course. No team lost more point from a winning position than we did. I can't think of many that gave up more late goals, the players he had pushed so hard for (Elanga and Wissa) were either poor or injured. I love the bloke and it doesn't feel right to criticise him now, but his goose was cooked.
Apropros of nothing, but I had to google 'c-suite'. I hate corporate wank-speak. 😂

So hamstrung by awful owners, then. Yes, in the Champions League the moment, but off the back of a season out of Europe. They only seem to qualify for it in the years that they aren't in it. I'm not sure how that's an argument for a club of their stature manipulating things to their advantage by being part of some 'red cartel'.

Compare them to Aston Villa. Man Utd have been awful for a while now, and yet these rules allow them to consistently spend huge sums on players and pay huge wages. Conversely since they appointed Emery Aston Villa have performed really well on and off the pitch, but are forced into selling their best players to abide by these financial rules. Did you know that because of UEFA's coefficient rule, Aston Villa got less money for making it to the 1/4 final, than Man Utd did for just being in the CL? The game is rigged man.
Incidentally, they are probably one club that you can say are organically massive. Arsenal too, even though their place in the top flight was bought, albeit 100 or so years ago. They have always been London's top side.

They rode the wave of the Premier League's creation and fair play. However now that they're safely on the top table, they're not going to let anybody else challenge them. So Liverpool, Arsenal, Man Utd, Spurs, have definitely colluded to restrict the ability for other threats to rise.
It's interesting, but the people I've heard decry financial fair-play rules the most are fans of Leicester, Manchester City and Newcastle. Clubs benefiting from unearnt bankrolling. You're right, it shouldn't be impossible to break into the elite, but it also shouldn't be possible to do it the way Manchester City or Chelsea did, and that Newcastle want to.

You think? Go and chat to Villa fans, Everton fans, fans of the B teams, Fulham, Leeds and so on. Few fans are in favour of these rules and those that are, either support the clubs at the top, or they're fans of clubs who haven't yet banged their head off the glass ceiling.

It's more big clubs are always rich. Backed, yes, of course, but mega-rich individuals financially doping clubs, a la Blackburn, Manchester City, Chelsea, etc., is particularly egregious and anti-competetive, in my opinion.
Why is that any different to Arsenal's shareholder loans? Or Liverpool under Moores? The owner putting money into the club is how clubs get successful. It's always been thus. Now, I agree their should be limits on spending, but these current rules aren't about sporting fairness. Not really. they're about maintaining the status quo to the benefit of 4-5 clubs.

Well, they're in Europe this season, their second out of the last three; could they be on their way to establishing themselves as regular competitors in Europe? Possible. Look at how far they've come; I don't think they are a great example to use for an argument of a closed shop; they are an argument for what you can do with top management and a level of backing that falls within the rules. Will they ever be 'at the top table'? Probably not, but if they ever are, it will be on the back of the incremental building that they're currently attempting.

Brighton are the model club for medium sized clubs like us; also, I'd probably add, clubs like Newcastle.
That's the point though, they can keep doing well and finishing in Europa, or whatever, but every year their best plaeyrs are taken, every so often their manager is poached, so they can't afford to make mistakes in the transfer window, they can't afford to ppoint the wrong successor. The elite can, and do, every season, without it significantly impacting them.

We've had to pivot to something more akin to their model, we're signing young players with potential, and putting faith in a young manager. We've had to pivot because, despite making profit, despite having massive commercial revenue, despite on field successes, we're forced to penny pinch.
 
Compare them to Aston Villa. Man Utd have been awful for a while now, and yet these rules allow them to consistently spend huge sums on players and pay huge wages.


They rode the wave of the Premier League's creation and fair play. However now that they're safely on the top table
Manchester United and Aston Villa are not comparable in the way you are trying to claim.

Manchester United are probably the biggest and most recognisable football club in the world. Their support base outstrips everyone else's locally, nationally and internationally. Their revenue streams and reach are huge because of that. Yet despite, they're still mediocre.

They were massive before the Premier League, and they'll be massive after it inevitably collapses.
Did you know that because of UEFA's coefficient rule, Aston Villa got less money for making it to the 1/4 final, than Man Utd did for just being in the CL? The game is rigged man.
Yes, and it stinks.

And therein you have real issue. The Champions League money creates the glass ceiling in the Premier League, and the Premier League money makes it extremely difficult for promoted teams to establish themselves, and then parachute money creates a huge advantage for relegated clubs in the Championship. Non-parachute teams don't get automatic promotion often. So the issue isn't trying to stop random billionaires financially doping random clubs, it's the vastly disproportionate distribution if wealth already within the game. So yes, it's rigged, but not the way you're complaining about.

Fight against that, not for your right to splash your blood-money and buy up some trophies. Which, let's be honest, is what you've got the hump about.
 
Just occurred to me second time Rushworth got a belter shot ( Lewis dunk unstoppable but question's not of the midfield failing?
 
Manchester United and Aston Villa are not comparable in the way you are trying to claim.

Manchester United are probably the biggest and most recognisable football club in the world. Their support base outstrips everyone else's locally, nationally and internationally. Their revenue streams and reach are huge because of that. Yet despite, they're still mediocre.

I worry I'm not making myself clear. Man Utd being wealthy and impressive is fine. They 'earned it' so, whatever, my issue is with the rules that will keep Aston Villa (Or Newcastle, or Brighton, or whomever) from ever truly challenging that status quo. The rules mean they're allowed to outspend everyone else, and they're essentially a marketing opportunity that cosplays as football club. Whereas clubs who do thing the "right" way, are punished for not having the good fortune to have their successful period when the PL exploded.
They were massive before the Premier League, and they'll be massive after it inevitably collapses.

Yes, and it stinks.

And therein you have real issue. The Champions League money creates the glass ceiling in the Premier League, and the Premier League money makes it extremely difficult for promoted teams to establish themselves, and then parachute money creates a huge advantage for relegated clubs in the Championship. Non-parachute teams don't get automatic promotion often. So the issue isn't trying to stop random billionaires financially doping random clubs, it's the vastly disproportionate distribution if wealth already within the game. So yes, it's rigged, but not the way you're complaining about.

Fight against that, not for your right to splash your blood-money and buy up some trophies. Which, let's be honest, is what you've got the hump about.
I think the PL should give a bigger slice of the pie to the football pyramid, I think there should be a % of every PL transfer fee go into a pot for the lower leagues. I think that Premier League clubs should be prevented from hoovering up local talent, and thereby denying 'smaller' clubs valuable assets.

I understand that it's easy to look at a Newcastle fan calling for a change to the spending rules and make assumptions, but I'm not interested in the PL becoming like the other European leagues. I didn't want the Saudis then and I don't want them now. I don't want unrestricted spending. I'd prefer a debt-linked anchoring rule set. Something that prevents clubs like Ma City or my own from dumping £1bn on a forward line for the Lols, but also doesn't stop a club like Leeds from seeing an opportunity to break into the CL and stretching their spend in January to achieve that. Something that stops clubs living in their overdraft, nor mortgaging the future of the institution.
 
I worry I'm not making myself clear. Man Utd being wealthy and impressive is fine. They 'earned it' so, whatever, my issue is with the rules that will keep Aston Villa (Or Newcastle, or Brighton, or whomever) from ever truly challenging that status quo. The rules mean they're allowed to outspend everyone else, and they're essentially a marketing opportunity that cosplays as football club. Whereas clubs who do thing the "right" way, are punished for not having the good fortune to have their successful period when the PL exploded.

I think the PL should give a bigger slice of the pie to the football pyramid, I think there should be a % of every PL transfer fee go into a pot for the lower leagues. I think that Premier League clubs should be prevented from hoovering up local talent, and thereby denying 'smaller' clubs valuable assets.

I understand that it's easy to look at a Newcastle fan calling for a change to the spending rules and make assumptions, but I'm not interested in the PL becoming like the other European leagues. I didn't want the Saudis then and I don't want them now. I don't want unrestricted spending. I'd prefer a debt-linked anchoring rule set. Something that prevents clubs like Ma City or my own from dumping £1bn on a forward line for the Lols, but also doesn't stop a club like Leeds from seeing an opportunity to break into the CL and stretching their spend in January to achieve that. Something that stops clubs living in their overdraft, nor mortgaging the future of the institution.
Interesting comment there O'Leary and risdale .come to mind.
 
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Whereas clubs who do thing the "right" way, are punished for not having the good fortune to have their successful period when the PL exploded.
Ah, ok, so like clubs like, for example (and I'm just plucking a name from thin air here you understand), Newcastle United?

I agree with 'marketing opportunity that cosplays as a football club', btw. As do their owners, for whom they are just a cash cow.

Thing is, can the same not be said of any club nowadays, though? I know we're trying to significantly up the ante there, but obviously we have nothing like the reach of a Manchester United or Arsenal, and don't expect to ever have. Just as we never had before. Sorry, but I just don't understand the complaint that Brighton struggle to compete with Manchester United financially. Of course they won't; they're a much smaller operation.

Brighton regularly out compete much bigger clubs than they are on the pitch; manage that well(as Leicester didn't), and they can take themselves to the next level.

But smaller clubs will always struggle against the big clubs, and it's always been thus, purely because the bigger clubs are bigger so can exploit bigger revenue streams.

I just want to make it clear, btw, that I'm not accusing you of being an apologist for the Saudis. Football fans are so deeply invested that they'll stick with clubs regardless.
 

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