shmmeee
Well-Known Member
If expect his return to look a lot like Rudi’s who was out a similar time and that was: 10m, then a midweek 30m, then a start IIRC.
who said he could only do ten? maybe he wasn’t needed until late in the game to help see it out….
I would be surprised if he couldn’t turn in a 60 minute shift from the off
He's a complete liability
If expect his return to look a lot like Rudi’s who was out a similar time and that was: 10m, then a midweek 30m, then a start IIRC.
ok, we’ll see…
He did make one very good cross field pass TBFHe gave the ball away a few times and I mentioned to perosnxnext to me I'm not sure why he thinks he has a player makers skill set in that first 25 mins
However overall he had a good game and it's stupid to pretend otherwise.
He is a squad player not a starter. These types of performances are all we need from him when called upon
I think Kitchens tank looks a bit empty and a rotation would help him i think.Given Lati got the nod over Wolf yesterday it will be interesting to see what happens v Norwich.
I'd imagine Thomas will be straight back in, if Lati drops to the bench will Wolf be dropped from the squad? I'm assuming Lati starts Tuesday, which I think he will.
Huge game.
Tats ran around a lot more than he has been doing when he came on yesterday, amazing what a bit of competition can doFair play to the lad. First half tried too hard to impress and do the ‘extraordinary’ with flicks and tricks. Second more effective by doing simple things quickly and well. I wonder whether he will replace Tats as a starter for rest of the season, or be used in the Rudoni role, or be used as an impact sub as defences tire.
Every game becomes the most important at this stage of the season, but who could have predicted the midweek fixtures this week-Every game is a huge game from now until end of the season.
I think if it wasn’t 4 days later maybe
EMC on the Right?Rushworth
MVE Lati Kitching JDS
Grimes
Eccles
EMC Rudoni Esse
Wright
Nothing about keeping our players fresh for Charlton, at all.Sounds like you are ready to let us walk the ball into the net, just to keep your players fresh for Charlton. This works well for us; please speak to the Millwall players and manager.
Couldn't agree with that last line more !!Nothing about keeping our players fresh for Charlton, at all.
Simply, given the choice I’d rather lose to the top side in the division than a Charlton side that our fan base has seen as an irrelevant league 1 team for the past decade or so.
That and the total and utter shame of losing to any side managed by that total prick, Nathan Jones!
Nothing about keeping our players fresh for Charlton, at all.
Simply, given the choice I’d rather lose to the top side in the division than a Charlton side that our fan base has seen as an irrelevant league 1 team for the past decade or so.
That and the total and utter shame of losing to any side managed by that total prick, Nathan Jones!
I think some are getting a bit carried away. This will be another hard game I expect, and we will need to perform.
If we can win then that momentum is going to be huge for us. I'm hoping the Leicester game was our pivotal moment and that we are done with our dodgy spell.
If we can win then that momentum is going to be huge for us. I'm hoping the Leicester game was our pivotal moment and that we are done with our dodgy spell.
Lati wasnt good the whole back line was shit first half , we should have gone in 3 down
Second half they had little to do
Lampard seems to disagree and I’d agree with him. Woolf has so far not shown anything that gets him in the team.
Don't think we're supposed to forget it, I think most acknowledge it.it’s pretty random how we are supposed to forget the first half happened.
We were dominated. Lati was awful along with the rest of the back for. He doesn’t have the pace or presence to be a centre half unless needed as an emergency.
First of all, I don’t hate Charlton, not in the same way Coventry fans hate the Villa. I see Charlton more as an irrelevance really - a team and fan base we like to laugh at, mainly due to their delusions of grandeur in believing that their rightful place should be in the Premier League, and not slumming it down in the dreadful Championship!Also, why do you hate Charlton so much?
Is it because they are like the really nice popular kid at school who’s nice to everyone, not racist, and makes a bit of an effort so is liked for good reason, and you are… well, Millwall?
Very readable post sir. Thanks for taking the time and inclination to write it.First of all, I don’t hate Charlton, not in the same way Coventry fans hate the Villa. I see Charlton more as an irrelevance really - a team and fan base we like to laugh at, mainly due to their delusions of grandeur in believing that their rightful place should be in the Premier League, and not slumming it down in the dreadful Championship!
Stoke City fans feel the same way. Go on both the Charlton and Stoke football forums and just read the level of entitlement that makes them think they‘re so superior to all the rest of us. It’s pathetic really, but also very, very funny. That’s why I can’t take either of those clubs seriously anymore.
I’m happy to address your sly racist inference dig because, unlike you, I know the real truth and not learnt a lot of the lies peddled about us by the tabloids and social media over the past five decades!
I‘ve been going to Millwall since 1974. I’m now 62, so I’ve seen it all. I don’t know how old you are, but back in the 70s and 80s football fans rivalry and hatred of other clubs was pretty much the norm and much more intense than it is these days. Every club back then had their fair share of hooligans and racists, even the likes of Leeds, Man Utd, Chelsea, etc.
What helped to tarnish my club was the 1977 Panorama documentary in which we were stitched up by the BBC in how they portrayed us! Even now, 50 years on, they haven’t changed - witness how the BBC recently edited two different Trump interviews together to make Trump look like a liar. They’ve been doing this sort of thing for decades and getting away with it!
Now, I’m not denying we never used to have an element of racist fans at our club, but if you were to look back at our fan base and our club (starting from the late 60’s when we signed our first black player, striker Frank Peterson in 1968) you will see that Millwall fans have always welcomed black players at our club.
Phil Walker and Trevor Lee both signed for us in 1975. They were the first Black players to truly establish themselves and become fan favourites, with Walker winning Player of the Year in 1978. Peterson may have broke the initial barrier, but Walker and Lee were the pioneers who integrated and excelled in the late 1970s, a period when such players were rare in the upper tiers of English football.
Since then we’ve had numerous black players playing for us, many of whom have won the fans player of the season award. Ah, I hear you say, but what about your treatment of other club’s black players? Yes, that did happen in the past, but it also happened with Leeds, Man Utd, Chelsea fans, etc. as well. Those clubs don’t have that stigma against them now, because they’re big boys in the Premier League, so all that nasty history gets forgotten and brushed under the carpet so as to avoid having the Premiership name tarnished by their past misdemeanours.
Unfortunately we still do have a minority of fans who like to dish out racist slurs towards opposition players, and whilst you cannot condone that behaviour, it has been heard less and less over the years down at the Den. We’ve had CCTV and microphones installed in all four stands for a number of years now, and the perpetrators of these crimes are instantly caught and banned for life.
My club has been trying to clean up its tarnished reputation for years now, yet for all that we do in our local community (which the club has won many awards for) it only takes one journalist with an agenda against us to put a spin on something, and all of the good work and things we have put into place, just gets forgotten and the racism tag rears it’s ugly head again. It’s typical lazy journalism and much of it nowadays is totally unwarranted.
First of all, I don’t hate Charlton, not in the same way Coventry fans hate the Villa. I see Charlton more as an irrelevance really - a team and fan base we like to laugh at, mainly due to their delusions of grandeur in believing that their rightful place should be in the Premier League, and not slumming it down in the dreadful Championship!
Stoke City fans feel the same way. Go on both the Charlton and Stoke football forums and just read the level of entitlement that makes them think they‘re so superior to all the rest of us. It’s pathetic really, but also very, very funny. That’s why I can’t take either of those clubs seriously anymore.
I’m happy to address your sly racist inference dig because, unlike you, I know the real truth and not learnt a lot of the lies peddled about us by the tabloids and social media over the past five decades!
I‘ve been going to Millwall since 1974. I’m now 62, so I’ve seen it all. I don’t know how old you are, but back in the 70s and 80s football fans rivalry and hatred of other clubs was pretty much the norm and much more intense than it is these days. Every club back then had their fair share of hooligans and racists, even the likes of Leeds, Man Utd, Chelsea, etc.
What helped to tarnish my club was the 1977 Panorama documentary in which we were stitched up by the BBC in how they portrayed us! Even now, 50 years on, they haven’t changed - witness how the BBC recently edited two different Trump interviews together to make Trump look like a liar. They’ve been doing this sort of thing for decades and getting away with it!
Now, I’m not denying we never used to have an element of racist fans at our club, but if you were to look back at our fan base and our club (starting from the late 60’s when we signed our first black player, striker Frank Peterson in 1968) you will see that Millwall fans have always welcomed black players at our club.
Phil Walker and Trevor Lee both signed for us in 1975. They were the first Black players to truly establish themselves and become fan favourites, with Walker winning Player of the Year in 1978. Peterson may have broke the initial barrier, but Walker and Lee were the pioneers who integrated and excelled in the late 1970s, a period when such players were rare in the upper tiers of English football.
Since then we’ve had numerous black players playing for us, many of whom have won the fans player of the season award. Ah, I hear you say, but what about your treatment of other club’s black players? Yes, that did happen in the past, but it also happened with Leeds, Man Utd, Chelsea fans, etc. as well. Those clubs don’t have that stigma against them now, because they’re big boys in the Premier League, so all that nasty history gets forgotten and brushed under the carpet so as to avoid having the Premiership name tarnished by their past misdemeanours.
Unfortunately we still do have a minority of fans who like to dish out racist slurs towards opposition players, and whilst you cannot condone that behaviour, it has been heard less and less over the years down at the Den. We’ve had CCTV and microphones installed in all four stands for a number of years now, and the perpetrators of these crimes are instantly caught and banned for life.
My club has been trying to clean up its tarnished reputation for years now, yet for all that we do in our local community (which the club has won many awards for) it only takes one journalist with an agenda against us to put a spin on something, and all of the good work and things we have put into place, just gets forgotten and the racism tag rears it’s ugly head again. It’s typical lazy journalism and much of it nowadays is totally unwarranted.
First of all, I don’t hate Charlton, not in the same way Coventry fans hate the Villa. I see Charlton more as an irrelevance really - a team and fan base we like to laugh at, mainly due to their delusions of grandeur in believing that their rightful place should be in the Premier League, and not slumming it down in the dreadful Championship!
Stoke City fans feel the same way. Go on both the Charlton and Stoke football forums and just read the level of entitlement that makes them think they‘re so superior to all the rest of us. It’s pathetic really, but also very, very funny. That’s why I can’t take either of those clubs seriously anymore.
I’m happy to address your sly racist inference dig because, unlike you, I know the real truth and not learnt a lot of the lies peddled about us by the tabloids and social media over the past five decades!
I‘ve been going to Millwall since 1974. I’m now 62, so I’ve seen it all. I don’t know how old you are, but back in the 70s and 80s football fans rivalry and hatred of other clubs was pretty much the norm and much more intense than it is these days. Every club back then had their fair share of hooligans and racists, even the likes of Leeds, Man Utd, Chelsea, etc.
What helped to tarnish my club was the 1977 Panorama documentary in which we were stitched up by the BBC in how they portrayed us! Even now, 50 years on, they haven’t changed - witness how the BBC recently edited two different Trump interviews together to make Trump look like a liar. They’ve been doing this sort of thing for decades and getting away with it!
Now, I’m not denying we never used to have an element of racist fans at our club, but if you were to look back at our fan base and our club (starting from the late 60’s when we signed our first black player, striker Frank Peterson in 1968) you will see that Millwall fans have always welcomed black players at our club.
Phil Walker and Trevor Lee both signed for us in 1975. They were the first Black players to truly establish themselves and become fan favourites, with Walker winning Player of the Year in 1978. Peterson may have broke the initial barrier, but Walker and Lee were the pioneers who integrated and excelled in the late 1970s, a period when such players were rare in the upper tiers of English football.
Since then we’ve had numerous black players playing for us, many of whom have won the fans player of the season award. Ah, I hear you say, but what about your treatment of other club’s black players? Yes, that did happen in the past, but it also happened with Leeds, Man Utd, Chelsea fans, etc. as well. Those clubs don’t have that stigma against them now, because they’re big boys in the Premier League, so all that nasty history gets forgotten and brushed under the carpet so as to avoid having the Premiership name tarnished by their past misdemeanours.
Unfortunately we still do have a minority of fans who like to dish out racist slurs towards opposition players, and whilst you cannot condone that behaviour, it has been heard less and less over the years down at the Den. We’ve had CCTV and microphones installed in all four stands for a number of years now, and the perpetrators of these crimes are instantly caught and banned for life.
My club has been trying to clean up its tarnished reputation for years now, yet for all that we do in our local community (which the club has won many awards for) it only takes one journalist with an agenda against us to put a spin on something, and all of the good work and things we have put into place, just gets forgotten and the racism tag rears it’s ugly head again. It’s typical lazy journalism and much of it nowadays is totally unwarranted.
Good post, and well warranted.First of all, I don’t hate Charlton, not in the same way Coventry fans hate the Villa. I see Charlton more as an irrelevance really - a team and fan base we like to laugh at, mainly due to their delusions of grandeur in believing that their rightful place should be in the Premier League, and not slumming it down in the dreadful Championship!
Stoke City fans feel the same way. Go on both the Charlton and Stoke football forums and just read the level of entitlement that makes them think they‘re so superior to all the rest of us. It’s pathetic really, but also very, very funny. That’s why I can’t take either of those clubs seriously anymore.
I’m happy to address your sly racist inference dig because, unlike you, I know the real truth and not learnt a lot of the lies peddled about us by the tabloids and social media over the past five decades!
I‘ve been going to Millwall since 1974. I’m now 62, so I’ve seen it all. I don’t know how old you are, but back in the 70s and 80s football fans rivalry and hatred of other clubs was pretty much the norm and much more intense than it is these days. Every club back then had their fair share of hooligans and racists, even the likes of Leeds, Man Utd, Chelsea, etc.
What helped to tarnish my club was the 1977 Panorama documentary in which we were stitched up by the BBC in how they portrayed us! Even now, 50 years on, they haven’t changed - witness how the BBC recently edited two different Trump interviews together to make Trump look like a liar. They’ve been doing this sort of thing for decades and getting away with it!
Now, I’m not denying we never used to have an element of racist fans at our club, but if you were to look back at our fan base and our club (starting from the late 60’s when we signed our first black player, striker Frank Peterson in 1968) you will see that Millwall fans have always welcomed black players at our club.
Phil Walker and Trevor Lee both signed for us in 1975. They were the first Black players to truly establish themselves and become fan favourites, with Walker winning Player of the Year in 1978. Peterson may have broke the initial barrier, but Walker and Lee were the pioneers who integrated and excelled in the late 1970s, a period when such players were rare in the upper tiers of English football.
Since then we’ve had numerous black players playing for us, many of whom have won the fans player of the season award. Ah, I hear you say, but what about your treatment of other club’s black players? Yes, that did happen in the past, but it also happened with Leeds, Man Utd, Chelsea fans, etc. as well. Those clubs don’t have that stigma against them now, because they’re big boys in the Premier League, so all that nasty history gets forgotten and brushed under the carpet so as to avoid having the Premiership name tarnished by their past misdemeanours.
Unfortunately we still do have a minority of fans who like to dish out racist slurs towards opposition players, and whilst you cannot condone that behaviour, it has been heard less and less over the years down at the Den. We’ve had CCTV and microphones installed in all four stands for a number of years now, and the perpetrators of these crimes are instantly caught and banned for life.
My club has been trying to clean up its tarnished reputation for years now, yet for all that we do in our local community (which the club has won many awards for) it only takes one journalist with an agenda against us to put a spin on something, and all of the good work and things we have put into place, just gets forgotten and the racism tag rears it’s ugly head again. It’s typical lazy journalism and much of it nowadays is totally unwarranted.
Thank you.to be fair, I don’t see Millwall as the club or fanbase it was once portrayed to be - at one point violence was rife everywhere and some fans were known for being ‘harder’ than others, Millwall being one - the Millwall brick by way of example….
racism at the time was also fairly rife, but seen as the ‘norm’, and accepted, so in fairness I probably agree with most of what’s said here.
the only real racism I’ve seen recently when watching us was the couple of Sheff Weds incidents, and I can’t say how happy it makes me to see them in their current predicament!
as much as Millwall sing about everybody hating them, I’m not sure these days it applies as much, in my opinion a half decent club and I wouldn’t be fussed if they’re up there with us come the end of the season
Thank you.Good post, and well warranted.
Millwall FC have been trying to clean up their act for years, and yet more 'media friendly' clubs escape under the radar for blatant racism.
Not saying Millwall are angels, far from it, just that media bias annoys me.
Thanks, but I’d rather you read it and (respectfully) educate yourself and learn that there are always two sides to a story, and it’s better to listen to both before making a better, informed decision.I’m not reading all that but I’ll give you a nice internet hug instead x
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