Council helps football club (1 Viewer)

I was eleven in 87 · Aug 20, 2016

I am in no way a SISU apologist but it looks like Swansea have a council that's willing to help its football club.
If only we had better owners and people on the council who were willing to work together for the good of the club and the city!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-west-wales-37129719

dongonzalos · Aug 20, 2016

There are loads of examples where councils believe that the owners have the best interests of the football club at the heart of their decisions and help them out as much as possible.

Captain Dart · Aug 20, 2016

They say..
"The offer is still there and we're still open to the option of them procuring the stadium or going for a commercial deal with them expanding the stadium. We would be interested to see what the the American investors prefer."

So it isn't a give away, it is a working relationship between owners and council, that is where SISU fail big time. I imagime Swanseas's owners are not suing the council.

bawtryneal · Aug 20, 2016

But our council will never actively support CCFC all the time SISU are the owners. The distrust and hatred (strong word but cannot think of a better one) is so ingrained that it will never go away.

hill83 · Aug 20, 2016

dongonzalos said:
There are loads of examples where councils believe that the owners have the best interests of the football club at the heart of their decisions and help them out as much as possible.

This basically. Thread completed.

Brylowes · Aug 20, 2016

I think we all know there was always a deal to be done between SISU and the council
Regarding the stadium, SISU messed up in spectacular fashion.
My own suspicion is they never had the funds available to them.

Brylowes · Aug 20, 2016

bawtryneal said:
But our council will never actively support CCFC all the time SISU are the owners. The distrust and hatred (strong word but cannot think of a better one) is so ingrained that it will never go away.

Your talking about now, it's completely irelavent now anyway.

italiahorse · Aug 20, 2016

bawtryneal said:
But our council will never actively support CCFC all the time SISU are the owners. The distrust and hatred (strong word but cannot think of a better one) is so ingrained that it will never go away.

Once bitten twice shy.

Sky Blue Harry H · Aug 20, 2016

Got a bit confused by mixed messages this week - Higgs/Wasps still want to engage with club, but Council say they won't help/aid with staying at the Ricoh etc until the football club pay off the £300k+ legal bill that it has cost the city taxpayers. I suspect that Higgs/Wasps/Counciil want SISU to drop all litigation before they will engage. At least with the agreement at the Ricoh due to finish in a season or so SISU will have to back down or come up with a plan B, otherwise they're caught between a rock and a hard place.Surely they can only carry on down the legal route if they have secured alternative venues for the football club to play?

clint van damme · Aug 20, 2016

Sky Blue Harry H said:
Got a bit confused by mixed messages this week - Higgs/Wasps still want to engage with club, but Council say they won't help/aid with staying at the Ricoh etc until the football club pay off the £300k+ legal bill that it has cost the city taxpayers. I suspect that Higgs/Wasps/Counciil want SISU to drop all litigation before they will engage. At least with the agreement at the Ricoh due to finish in a season or so SISU will have to back down or come up with a plan B, otherwise they're caught between a rock and a hard place.Surely they can only carry on down the legal route if they have secured alternative venues for the football club to play?

I do wonder why the council added this condition of paying the legal costs all of a sudden when previously all they asked was that SISU dropped the legal action.

Brylowes · Aug 20, 2016

When I look at wasps now, building momentum staging world class events and concerts,
City of rugby, and now the academy stuff it makes my fuckin blood boil.
How could it have gone so badly wrong, in their relatively short tenure at the club SISU
Have ensured that even long after they're gone the club will never realise the bright new
dawn that was built for them.
I absolutely fucking hate these unscrupulous bastards.

Bruce the Boot · Aug 20, 2016

clint van damme said:
I do wonder why the council added this condition of paying the legal costs all of a sudden when previously all they asked was that SISU dropped the legal action.

The council have dotted the "T's" and crossed the "
I's" to make sure they don't have to deal with Sisu again , that's why . Who can blame them ?

bawtryneal · Aug 20, 2016

Brylowes said:
When I look at wasps now, building momentum staging world class events and concerts,
City of rugby, and now the academy stuff it makes my fuckin blood boil.
How could it have gone so badly wrong, in their relatively short tenure at the club SISU
Have ensured that even long after they're gone the club will never realise the bright new
dawn that was built for them.
I absolutely fucking hate these unscrupulous bastards.

Brylowes said:
Your talking about now, it's completely irelavent now anyway.

It's all about now isn't it. The past is past and it's all about the future. Without trust it will never move forward.

Brylowes · Aug 20, 2016

bawtryneal said:
It's all about now isn't it. The past is past and it's all about the future. Without trust it will never move forward.

Trouble is the past in regards CCFC will always determine our future, the damage
That's been done will never be healed.

Ashdown · Aug 20, 2016

There is no hope, no trust and no future whilst these hedge fund parasites cling on to the football club !

shepardo01 · Aug 20, 2016

The council will not deal with SISU (The club) they would rather see us "with nowhere to train and nowhere to play " (from a council employee) than deal with SISU. Some disgust needs to be vented towards them. There is a real danger (in this case, with the councils stance, it is a danger) of SISU pulling the plug, yes they would be gone, but so would the club. This would have been Bourne out of pure spite from the council.

Liquid Gold · Aug 20, 2016

I'd be more inclined to believe that it's SISUs stupid actions that are the problem between the club and the council if we weren't screwed out of the Ricoh long before the hedge fund turned up.

shepardo01 · Aug 20, 2016

Yes, initially they are, no hiding that. But now it is the council that are the biggest danger to the club (in its current guise, sadly with SISU at the helm) and it's existence. Under current curcumstances, If SISU do go, the club will go. The longer the council has this stance, the more chance there is that they will cut loose, but then the club will dissappear. It really looks like the stubborn stand off will actually destroy the club. Can anybody else see any other outcome??

Warwickhunt · Aug 20, 2016

shepardo01 said:
The council will not deal with SISU (The club) they would rather see us "with nowhere to train and nowhere to play " (from a council employee) than deal with SISU. Some disgust needs to be vented towards them. There is a real danger (in this case, with the councils stance, it is a danger) of SISU pulling the plug, yes they would be gone, but so would the club. This would have been Bourne out of pure spite from the council.

You say from a council employee! Was that his opinion or councils what position does the confident hold in the council

shepardo01 · Aug 20, 2016

Opinion

Bruce the Boot · Aug 20, 2016

shepardo01 said:
Yes, initially they are, no hiding that. But now it is the council that are the biggest danger to the club (in its current guise, sadly with SISU at the helm) and it's existence. Under current curcumstances, If SISU do go, the club will go. The longer the council has this stance, the more chance there is that they will cut loose, but then the club will dissappear. It really looks like the stubborn stand off will actually destroy the club. Can anybody else see any other outcome??

Tell me this , If the council get involved with the club , Will sisu cry state aid and take themselves to court ?

Ashdown · Aug 20, 2016

Where is this notion coming from.............. that the departure of SISU would mean the end of the club, it's rubbish !

stupot07 · Aug 20, 2016

Even if sisu left tomorrow, I can't see everyone suddenly playing nice. The council have put their colours firmly on wasps mast and the 'city of rugby'.

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clint van damme · Aug 20, 2016

Bruce the Boot said:
The council have dotted the "T's" and crossed the "
I's" to make sure they don't have to deal with Sisu again , that's why . Who can blame them ?

I'm not really sure you've answered the question there to be honest.

Sky Blue Harry H · Aug 20, 2016

shepardo01 said:
The council will not deal with SISU (The club) they would rather see us "with nowhere to train and nowhere to play " (from a council employee) than deal with SISU. Some disgust needs to be vented towards them. There is a real danger (in this case, with the councils stance, it is a danger) of SISU pulling the plug, yes they would be gone, but so would the club. This would have been Bourne out of pure spite from the council.

But if they pulled the plug, we could have our golden share back and 'Owners x' can start afresh (negotiate with Wasps, work with Council, whatever - at least we'd be rid of them - I'd take that - although I don't think they'll walk that easily (sadly). That's why Cov Uts was formed

chiefdave · Aug 20, 2016

Sky Blue Harry H said:
Owners x

Unless you were a fan why on earth would you buy us? Even if SISU walked away writing off all the debt you're looking at a L1 club with no ground and no academy. Literally any other club in the FL would be a better option.

Covstu · Aug 20, 2016

Sky Blue Harry H said:
But if they pulled the plug, we could have our golden share back and 'Owners x' can start afresh (negotiate with Wasps, work with Council, whatever - at least we'd be rid of them - I'd take that - although I don't think they'll walk that easily (sadly). That's why Cov Uts was formed

So start their tenure begging from a bowl to wasps and the council. Great future

ceetee · Aug 20, 2016

Sky Blue Harry H said:
But if they pulled the plug, we could have our golden share back and 'Owners x' can start afresh (negotiate with Wasps, work with Council, whatever - at least we'd be rid of them - I'd take that - although I don't think they'll walk that easily (sadly). That's why Cov Uts was formed

I don't think it's 'our' golden share.
I think it's the Football League's to assign how they think fit.

Deleted member 5849 · Aug 20, 2016

Brylowes said:
I think we all know there was always a deal to be done between SISU and the council

Do we?

Deleted member 5849 · Aug 20, 2016

shepardo01 said:
they would rather see us "with nowhere to train and nowhere to play " (from a council employee) than deal with SISU.

Is this council employee my kind of level... or someone whose opinion actually matters?

Deleted member 5849 · Aug 20, 2016

Ashdown said:
Where is this notion coming from.............. that the departure of SISU would mean the end of the club, it's rubbish !

It isn't if SISU decide it's better to wind us up.

To disregard that as a very real possibility is pretty rubbish, too.

clint van damme · Aug 20, 2016

Deleted member 5849 said:
It isn't if SISU decide it's better to wind us up.

To disregard that as a very real possibility is pretty rubbish, too.

I can't believe the amount of our support who can't grasp this.
Anyone expressing this kind of sentiment is a SISU lover apparently.
There's a very real chance that the club could end up as collateral damage in this pissing contest.

Deleted member 5849 · Aug 20, 2016

clint van damme said:
I can't believe the amount of our support who can't grasp this.
Anyone expressing this kind of sentiment is a SISU lover apparently.
There's a very real chance that the club could end up as collateral damage in this pissing contest.

I've always said it's the biggest criticism and the biggest danger of being owned by someone like SISU - the lack of sentimentality means they don't have to be obliged to us - their wider context and wider business means that winding us up could actually be better for them long term.

Anyone who *doesn't* acknowledge this as a possibility is clearly a SISU lover, or clearly clueless as to how they operate.

It's why they're dangerous, and why they should never have been let near our club in the first place.

chiefdave · Aug 20, 2016

clint van damme said:
There's a very real chance that the club could end up as collateral damage in this pissing contest.

That's why I think, despite the many terrible things that have happened under SISU's ownership, the council selling the Ricoh to Wasps is the biggest issue. It makes us so unattractive to any potential owner. A new owner could come in and turn around the damage SISU have done, without spending a hell of a lot of money they won't be able to give us stadium ownership.

thekidfromstrettoncamp · Aug 20, 2016

While I agree the sale of the ground was a blow but why would they wait for our obnoxious owners to see sense. Despite what people say on here I think if SUSI were out off the road there would be viable deals to be done WASPS they appear to be quite reasonable business people they want as much revenue coming in but they want to be talked to not at.

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