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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Feb 29, 2016
  • #211
Grendel said:
Why does anyone bother arguing with Italia and Tony anymore?

Italia is not stupid. He is just an old ham whose making hay while he can.

Tony is stupid but tries to look clever. He reminds me of Nursey in black adder 2. A sad pathetic figure who craves attention.

Best to put them both on ignore.
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Hahahaha! He reminds me of Gareth from the Office.
 

Moff

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 29, 2016
  • #212
italiahorse said:
This board would grind to a halt.
Other than the mutual back slapping by the hair shirt brigade what else would go on?
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You do write some utter shit at times.

If you dont like the rational, why react in exactly the same way?
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 29, 2016
  • #213
Where is it suggested SISU bid for the council's share of ACL?
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 29, 2016
  • #214
Ian1779 said:
In 2007 - yes should have happened. By 2009 I would suggest £24m for the F&B revenues alone would be quite the barrier - a fine calculation by a Mr Gidney IIRC.
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What would that 24 million get you exactly?
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 29, 2016
  • #215
dongonzalos said:
What would that 24 million get you exactly?
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What was termed 'matchday revenues' so you would get parking, pie money (I would assume ACLs cut after Compass as anything else wouldn't be theirs to offer), hospitality. That kind of thing. And of course that was over the original term of the lease so 40 something years.
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 29, 2016
  • #216
chiefdave said:
What was termed 'matchday revenues' so you would get parking, pie money (I would assume ACLs cut after Compass as anything else wouldn't be theirs to offer), hospitality. That kind of thing. And of course that was over the original term of the lease so 40 something years.
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So would effectively get what Wasps just got but a 40year lease not 200 or are you getting less?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 29, 2016
  • #217
dongonzalos said:
So would effectively get what Wasps just got but a 40year lease not 200 or are you getting less?
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No, it was matchday only..... A lot less.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 29, 2016
  • #218
dongonzalos said:
So would effectively get what Wasps just got but a 40year lease not 200 or are you getting less?
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Nothing like what Wasps got. The £24m would give us revenues only from the days on which we play at the Ricoh. You'd probably need to make in the region of £25K a match (profit not revenue) to even break even at that price. That's a lot of pies and pints.
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 29, 2016
  • #219
chiefdave said:
Nothing like what Wasps got. The £24m would give us revenues only from the days on which we play at the Ricoh. You'd probably need to make in the region of £25K a match (profit not revenue) to even break even at that price. That's a lot of pies and pints.
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So nothing from non matchdays?
That's some price
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 29, 2016
  • #220
£24m would give you access to things listed above by chiefdave.

You would also get:
0% ACL ownership and as an added bonus
0% non-matchday revenue of any kind.

Seeing as we know what Wasps paid for everything later down the lane you can at least see why that particular deal didn't get done.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 29, 2016
  • #221
Grendel said:
Why do you bother?
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Exactly. Lots of repeats on here. SISU lost 6-0 in this one as I understand it. Good. One distraction gone - unless there is some way of appealing or fault finding. I want all the distractions over with. We were once a football club before we got roped into being part of a litigation club and a would-be property speculators association. I hope Anderson comes up with a game plan for the stadium situation and possible Championship survival. That is more important to the club than who said what to whom. They were all looking after themselves anyway.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Feb 29, 2016
  • #222
martcov said:
One distraction gone - unless there is some way of appealing or fault finding.
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I'd assume, given it was always going to go the council's way, there was a higher purpose to it.

Christ knows what but... would be rather surprised if this was the end of it.

(Then again, it's a small insignificant thing really. Does it really deserve any attention at all?)
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 29, 2016
  • #223
martcov said:
Exactly. Lots of repeats on here. SISU lost 6-0 in this one as I understand it. Good. One distraction gone - unless there is some way of appealing or fault finding. I want all the distractions over with. We were once a football club before we got roped into being part of a litigation club and a would-be property speculators association. I hope Anderson comes up with a game plan for the stadium situation and possible Championship survival. That is more important to the club than who said what to whom. They were all looking after themselves anyway.
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It isn't litigation to complain about the conduct of elected representatives
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 1, 2016
  • #224
fernandopartridge said:
It isn't litigation to complain about the conduct of elected representatives
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Seeing as there are 2 JRs ( 1 on hold) going on, and that it took 2 or 3 years to become offended victims, in this case it appears to be connected to ongoing litigation. The same people with the same gripes.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 1, 2016
  • #225
Deleted member 5849 said:
I'd assume, given it was always going to go the council's way, there was a higher purpose to it.

Christ knows what but... would be rather surprised if this was the end of it.

(Then again, it's a small insignificant thing really. Does it really deserve any attention at all?)
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I suspect it was character assassination ahead of the JR appeal (although in the end the second round came to late for that) and ahead of JR2. Imagine if it was found against the council and you could reference that even the council found against themselves. That would have been a good weapon in their war chest. Let's face it, with all the money they've spanked on litigation it was hardly a drop in the ocean in terms of cost to do it so well worth the effort and who knows it may have even uncovered something previously unknown to the SISU legal team.

Of course it could be an indication of just how weak SISU's argument is and they just need to throw shit in any direction hoping something sticks.

It also could be an indication of how personal this has become and it's purely been done for theatrical character assassination and nothing else. I guess we'll only find out how successful that was at the next election.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 1, 2016
  • #226
skybluetony176 said:
I suspect it was character assassination ahead of the JR appeal (although in the end the second round came to late for that) and ahead of JR2. Imagine if it was found against the council and you could reference that even the council found against themselves. That would have been a good weapon in their war chest. Let's face it, with all the money they've spanked on litigation it was hardly a drop in the ocean in terms of cost to do it so well worth the effort and who knows it may have even uncovered something previously unknown to the SISU legal team.

Of course it could be an indication of just how weak SISU's argument is and they just need to throw shit in any direction hoping something sticks.

It also could be an indication of how personal this has become and it's purely been done for theatrical character assassination and nothing else. I guess we'll only find out how successful that was at the next election.
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Surely nobody actually thought the council would rule against the council?
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 1, 2016
  • #227
Nick said:
Surely nobody actually thought the council would rule against the council?
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Are you saying it was a fix ?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 1, 2016
  • #228
italiahorse said:
Are you saying it was a fix ?
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I am saying it was pretty much bang on that when it was said the panel was made up of councillors that you would know what the ruling would be without having to hear any lawyers speak.

It would be like you ruling something against Wasps......
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 1, 2016
  • #229
Nick said:
I am saying it was pretty much bang on that when it was said the panel was made up of councillors that you would know what the ruling would be without having to hear any lawyers speak.

It would be like you ruling something against Wasps......
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Surely if you are professional and accountable you just do your job.

Sounds more like sour grapes to me.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 1, 2016
  • #230
italiahorse said:
Surely if you are professional and accountable you just do your job.

Sounds more like sour grapes to me.
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Not really, because I don't think anybody thought it would go any other way in the first place?
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 1, 2016
  • #231
Nick said:
Not really, because I don't think anybody thought it would go any other way in the first place?
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Probably because nobody did anything wrong.
Sometimes we need to look at without our CCFC hat on to make sense of what happened.

Same for all the JR stuff.
If it was a hedge fund trying to do a hostile take over of the cathedral to knock it down to build houses you might look at it differently.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 1, 2016
  • #232
italiahorse said:
If it was a hedge fund trying to do a take over of the cathedral to knock it down to build houses you might look at it differently.
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I agree, so when are we getting outraged about the Maltese outfit actually doing what SISU were "trying"?

It would be like one hedge fund trying to get the cathedral to knock it down, everybody getting angry. Then another coming in and just flattening it and people scrambling to get their names down for a house.
 

covcity4life

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 1, 2016
  • #233
council clear council


ok
 

Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 1, 2016
  • #234
Ian1779 said:
I was certainly supportive of breaking the crippling rental agreement. IMO we only ever went to Sixfields due to ACL rejecting the CVA - this spiteful, vindictive action cost the club 10 points before a ball was kicked. Had that not happened we never would have gone.

I went to support the team in the knowledge we would never be in Northampton forever.
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We should never have been there, there should have been zero acceptance of that move however temporary.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 1, 2016
  • #235
italiahorse said:
Probably because nobody did anything wrong.
Sometimes we need to look at without our CCFC hat on to make sense of what happened.
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Have you read the council's code of conduct? In particular section 4. You should give it a read and then look at the 6 points SISU complained about and the evidence presented.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 1, 2016
  • #236
skybluetony176 said:
I suspect it was character assassination ahead of the JR appeal (although in the end the second round came to late for that) and ahead of JR2. Imagine if it was found against the council and you could reference that even the council found against themselves. That would have been a good weapon in their war chest. Let's face it, with all the money they've spanked on litigation it was hardly a drop in the ocean in terms of cost to do it so well worth the effort and who knows it may have even uncovered something previously unknown to the SISU legal team.

Of course it could be an indication of just how weak SISU's argument is and they just need to throw shit in any direction hoping something sticks.

It also could be an indication of how personal this has become and it's purely been done for theatrical character assassination and nothing else. I guess we'll only find out how successful that was at the next election.
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I think it was for some sort of pr as well. No chance in hell they would win.

It's like fisher judging whether sisu did anything wrong...
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 1, 2016
  • #237
chiefdave said:
Have you read the council's code of conduct? In particular section 4. You should give it a read and then look at the 6 points SISU complained about and the evidence presented.
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I think the fact they said there was a personal media attack.

In the evidence there is an email saying that a job has been done on her, planning to go to her house and talks of a media war.

I still don't understand why nothing has been said about Mutton being such a player though! "I'm married" He may as well have held his fingers out.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 1, 2016
  • #238
Nick said:
I am saying it was pretty much bang on that when it was said the panel was made up of councillors that you would know what the ruling would be without having to hear any lawyers speak.

It would be like you ruling something against Wasps......
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Or Les Reid coming up with an anti SISU exklusive...
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 1, 2016
  • #239
Nick said:
Surely nobody actually thought the council would rule against the council?
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Was the original decision and actual report written by the council?
I thought this Mr Goscher bloke was independent.
Was there any independent people making the decision about whether the appeal against Mr Goachers report having any merit?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 1, 2016
  • #240
martcov said:
Or Les Reid coming up with an anti SISU exklusive...
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Very true, he could take a leaf out of the Telegraph's book and suppress the news though ay

I might be wrong, but wasn't Reid quite anti sisu at the start?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 1, 2016
  • #241
dongonzalos said:
Was the original decision and actual report written by the council?
I thought this Mr Goscher bloke was independent.
Was there any independent people making the decision about whether the appeal against Mr Goachers report having any merit?
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It said they had an independent "advisor".

If you took a step back, took off any hat you had on and read the Goacher blokes words from yesterday and see.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 1, 2016
  • #242
Nick said:
If you took a step back, took off any hat you had on and read the Goacher blokes words from yesterday and see.
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If you read it not knowing his role you would think he was the council's defence lawyer!
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 1, 2016
  • #243
chiefdave said:
If you read it not knowing his role you would think he was the council's defence lawyer!
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His words weren't "My investigation found this, I found that Mutton said this because.." it was more justifying everything for them.
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 1, 2016
  • #244
Nick said:
It said they had an independent "advisor".

If you took a step back, took off any hat you had on and read the Goacher blokes words from yesterday and see.
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But is it right the Mr goacher interviewed both sides and did the original report.
Is independent
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 1, 2016
  • #245
Nick said:
Surely nobody actually thought the council would rule against the council?
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Given the gripe I would say no. From what I read it was pure character assassination. There didn't seem to be any argument of they did this and it breaks the councils ethics code because of X, Y & Z. It was a gripe for the sake of griping, not a structured argument from what I read. Admittedly I haven't read everything but only because the tone seem to be set early doors and I turned off. There was no structure to it. Yes it was like turkeys voting for Xmas but still if you're going to do it seriously at least have a structured argument. The outcome was assured by the approach of the complaint as much as anything else.
 
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