Could a change of manager save our season? (1 Viewer)

stevefloyd · Mar 2, 2016

I don't see the point in sacking another manager then starting again while we have a settled squad....wait a minute

Steve.B50 · Mar 2, 2016

Otis said:
Just playing Devil's advocate here and not saying I want to see TM sacked, but just wondering if we brought someone in now would we have a better chance of a top 6 place?

We are on a downward spiral and it is now just 3 wins in 15 games.

New manager syndrome? Is that a possible option?

Just putting it out there.

No, what would it achieve?

phildownunder · Mar 2, 2016

Otis said:
This is short term though. Only needs a short term solution to secure a play-off place.

That sounds as though you are inching towards not just being the devil`s advocate, but the man himself Otis!

I like Mowbray`s football philosophy and want him to succeed. Having taken us this far he surely deserves to see out this season at least before we pass final judgement on his tenure.

johnwillomagic · Mar 2, 2016

A lot changed after May Dong and TM got a lor of financial support but thanks for conceding that it is fair enough
that I do know better anyway.

Do you also dispute someones comment earlier that we have a higher playing budget than Walsall, Gillingham & Burton too?

Sky Blue Kid · Mar 2, 2016

IIRC didn't TM say the other day, that he didn't have a say who comes to the Club. It's niggling at the back of my mind that he said that, in fact I'm sure he did!

dongonzalos · Mar 2, 2016

johnwillomagic said:
A lot changed after May Dong and TM got a lor of financial support but thanks for conceding that it is fair enough
that I do know better anyway.

Do you also dispute someones comment earlier that we have a higher playing budget than Walsall, Gillingham & Burton too?

No not at all as it it wasn't anything to do with what I was saying. I wouldnt argue with their CEO's if they come out and quoted their playing budgets for the season either.

I would probably only argue if I thought they were over stating the playing budget as it's highly unlikely they would understate it and risk accusations that they have no ambition.

Otis · Mar 2, 2016

Steve.B50 said:
No, what would it achieve?

New manager syndrome. Been proven that it can give a club an initial good run of form.

As TM seems to think we only need to win 7 games to make the play-offs then I would say the 2 are not incompatible.

skybluekelly98 · Mar 2, 2016

blackburn_skyblue said:
most worrying for me is the lack of passion and the lethargy from the players. We dont look like a team fighting to give the supporters their first taste of excitement in many of their ccfc supporting lives!!

JOB is definitely needed

Otis · Mar 2, 2016

In the immortal words of Fisher, that ship has sailed.

MusicDating · Mar 2, 2016

letsallsingtogether said:
Yes twice with Middlesbrough top at Xmas then failed to reach the playoffs.
Like he gives up when the pressure is on.

Why do people keep repeating this falsehood?

3rd in 2011 - http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/league-championship/2011-2012/table/2011-12-19
4th in 2012 - http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/league-championship/2012-2013/table/2012-12-22

Yes, it's a shite run, yes it's happened to Mowbray before, but perversely I'm actually reassured by that. Yes we might miss out on the playoffs after being in very good position. However, to even consider sacking TM with us 6th in the table is insane.

Oh and there's no such thing as a 'new manager bounce'. Bit like 'you're most susceptible to concede straight after scoring'; it's a myth.

fernandopartridge · Mar 2, 2016

MusicDating said:
Why do people keep repeating this falsehood?

3rd in 2011 - http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/league-championship/2011-2012/table/2011-12-19
4th in 2012 - http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/league-championship/2012-2013/table/2012-12-22

Yes, it's a shite run, yes it's happened to Mowbray before, but perversely I'm actually reassured by that. Yes we might miss out on the playoffs after being in very good position. However, to even consider sacking TM with us 6th in the table is insane.

Oh and there's no such thing as a 'new manager bounce'. Bit like 'you're most susceptible to concede straight after scoring'; it's a myth.

We've also heard the other classic "He's lost the dressing room".

Where are the players getting changed then?

Otis · Mar 2, 2016

MusicDating said:
Why do people keep repeating this falsehood?

3rd in 2011 - http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/league-championship/2011-2012/table/2011-12-19
4th in 2012 - http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/league-championship/2012-2013/table/2012-12-22

Yes, it's a shite run, yes it's happened to Mowbray before, but perversely I'm actually reassured by that. Yes we might miss out on the playoffs after being in very good position. However, to even consider sacking TM with us 6th in the table is insane.

Oh and there's no such thing as a 'new manager bounce'. Bit like 'you're most susceptible to concede straight after scoring'; it's a myth.

Not so sure. Would like to see the stats.

It makes perfect sense when you think about it. As with any job, a new boss comes in, you set out to impress them. They usually come with a fresh attitude and a fresh load of ideas.

Would love to see the stats to say how often it works. Let's not get confused however with the likes of Burton and Walsall, where managers have walked. Talking only in terms of managers being sacked and a new man coming in.

AFCCOVENTRY · Mar 2, 2016

If we can get Gus Hiddink in then yes...otherwise Mogga stays

Hobo · Mar 2, 2016

Sick Boy said:
If he was as good as people thought, he wouldn't be manager of Coventry City.

So you are saying we will never have a good manager because we are Coventry City? You post some garbage at times.

Otis · Mar 2, 2016

Obviously it is never going to be an exact science, because a new man can take over a very poor side and it would take time to bring his own players in, if that's what he wanted to do.

Our scenario of having what appears to be a good team is something different.

Basically, if you bring a manger in to a poor team he's not going to have a magic wand. But if you bring a manager in to a good team who have been underperforming that is a different matter.

Otis · Mar 2, 2016

MusicDating said:
Why do people keep repeating this falsehood?

3rd in 2011 - http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/league-championship/2011-2012/table/2011-12-19
4th in 2012 - http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/league-championship/2012-2013/table/2012-12-22

Yes, it's a shite run, yes it's happened to Mowbray before, but perversely I'm actually reassured by that. Yes we might miss out on the playoffs after being in very good position. However, to even consider sacking TM with us 6th in the table is insane.

Oh and there's no such thing as a 'new manager bounce'. Bit like 'you're most susceptible to concede straight after scoring'; it's a myth.

Top or in the play-offs, it's still a terrible run. 4th at Christmas in 2012 and the ended up finishing way down the league in 16th

Otis · Mar 2, 2016

3rd at Christmas 2011 and ended up 7th.

Wyken Sky Blue · Mar 2, 2016

Otis said:
Top or in the play-offs, it's still a terrible run. 4th at Christmas in 2012 and the ended up finishing way down the league in 16th

We had 10 points deducted didnt we? Where would we have finished if they weren't deducted?

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covcity4life · Mar 2, 2016

it could well change our fortunes but right now im happy for mowbray to continue. the squad may not have attributed for different style of football, we have no real plan b.

continually trying to get plan A working again may be our best chance. roll on saturday

MusicDating · Mar 2, 2016

Otis said:
Not so sure. Would like to see the stats.

It makes perfect sense when you think about it. As with any job, a new boss comes in, you set out to impress them. They usually come with a fresh attitude and a fresh load of ideas.

Would love to see the stats to say how often it works. Let's not get confused however with the likes of Burton and Walsall, where managers have walked. Talking only in terms of managers being sacked and a new man coming in.

Google is your friend -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23724517

http://www.theguardian.com/football.../21/football-managers-sackings-premier-league

Hobo · Mar 2, 2016

Otis said:
This is short term though. Only needs a short term solution to secure a play-off place.

It sounds like a lot of people want to stay in the short term. I would rather give him the two years to try and build the team. Nobody seems to have heard what he said before the Barnsley game "we need to revise our recruitment policy if we are to eradicate inconsistent performances." He mentioned how other teams had invested a bit of money in transfer fees wisely.

Otis · Mar 2, 2016

skyblue1991 said:
We had 10 points deducted didnt we? Where would we have finished if they weren't deducted?

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That's Middlesborough's stats, not ours. Quoting from when Middlesborough blew it twice.

Otis · Mar 2, 2016

covcity4life said:
it could well change our fortunes but right now im happy for mowbray to continue. the squad may not have attributed for different style of football, we have no real plan b.

continually trying to get plan A working again may be our best chance. roll on saturday

I'm happy with Mowbray too, but if we drop out of the top 6 this season, that will be the third time as manager that has happened to him.

You have to ask yourself, what is going wrong?

If we had our best players sold from under us in January, then yep, could understand, but we strengthened didn't we? Didn't lose anyone.

Otis · Mar 2, 2016

For some reason I get the feeling some of you think I what Mowbray sacked. I don't. I want him to rectify this worrying pattern of failure after being in a strong position.

He should use the memory and experience of those two Middlesborough failures to correct the mistakes this time.

jimmyhillsfanclub · Mar 2, 2016

This thread is a shame.....

As I see it, the simple fact is we over-achieved early on & given we, as fans< have been starved of any hint or whiff of success since 1987, we all got a bit too excited & with that, expectations grew & grew....

As things stand, we are still 6th, despite having generally been shite since Xmas.

If we as fans cannot allow TM the full 46 game season.....then we may as well all give up on CCFC & just stay at home watching the dogshit premier league on fucking SKY...because I can't think of too many managers who have managed to achieved promotion in less than a full season!!!

Hobo · Mar 2, 2016

Otis said:
For some reason I get the feeling some of you think I what Mowbray sacked. I don't. I want him to rectify this worrying pattern of failure after being in a strong position.

He should use the memory and experience of those two Middlesborough failures to correct the mistakes this time.

But those sort of things are done behind the scenes and not necessarily in public. I think you have to look at the whole Mowbray package and there is more to it than just results on the pitch in his first full season and two transfer windows.

Yes it might be reassuring if he could really speak his mind about what he thought about individuals. But football mangers can't. He alluded to the fact confidence was fragile before the Barnsley game and said we all have to keep going to turn it around, getting down about doesn't solve the problem.

I think a lot of fans have actually over estimated our ability and going top really created false hope. Results against poor performances from Crewe and Bury helped sustain the myth.

Fleck is not Championship quality. For all their potential Murphy and Maddison are not as good yet as some fans think. Teams are as good as they are on the pitch and not how they seem on paper or in people's heads.

Otis · Mar 2, 2016

But I don't get how suddenly we all feel we're not good enough and shouldn't expect a top 6 place.

Southend have said their aim has been a top 6 place and they believe they can achieve that.

Are their players better than ours?

Of course we should have been aiming for a top ,6 place and of course we should believe we are capable of getting it.

Why are we overestimating our ability?

chiefdave · Mar 2, 2016

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
To be frozen out and loaned (own decision or not) is extremely strange.

I can't imagine a professional sportsman who is playing week in week out in a team chasing promotion wanting to leave. Something has gone on so the question is do we believe Mowbray that he was a disruptive influence.

covcity4life · Mar 2, 2016

Otis said:
I'm happy with Mowbray too, but if we drop out of the top 6 this season, that will be the third time as manager that has happened to him.

You have to ask yourself, what is going wrong?

If we had our best players sold from under us in January, then yep, could understand, but we strengthened didn't we? Didn't lose anyone.

its gotta be tactical. teams press more or stand off more,anything to negate pass and move i guess

he needs to come up with the answers though

Otis · Mar 2, 2016

chiefdave said:
I can't imagine a professional sportsman who is playing week in week out in a team chasing promotion wanting to leave. Something has gone on so the question is do we believe Mowbray that he was a disruptive influence.

Well the only visual evidence we have is that of him berating team mates. That's the only thing we've witnessed isn't it? Having a go at players around him. That in itself doesn't particularly confirm anything though, because we all know he's a very passionate fella.

Maybe, and of course, only guessing, with JOB not playing well himself, TM might have alluded to that fact and that he is in no position to be berating others.

Pure speculation on my part, but everyone else seems to be deducing things. Could simply be a clash of personalities.

Nantwich Skyblues · Mar 2, 2016

to my mind mowbray has to be brave now we are at this crucial point in the season. He seems to have his favourites but they are just not cutting it at the moment. He is forever chopping and changing especially with the likes of cole.

We need a settled strong side with a bit of bite to get us into the play offs.

Cole needs leaving out unless he can play every week , hunt shouldnt be near the squad and ricketts needs a rest.

Saturday I would like to see

RCC
STOKES
MARTIN
STEPHENS
LORENTZEN

ROSE
VINCELOT
MADDISON
FLECK

HENDERSON
ARMSTRONG

skybluekelly98 · Mar 2, 2016

blackburn_skyblue said:
to my mind mowbray has to be brave now we are at this crucial point in the season. He seems to have his favourites but they are just not cutting it at the moment. He is forever chopping and changing especially with the likes of cole.

We need a settled strong side with a bit of bite to get us into the play offs.

Cole needs leaving out unless he can play every week , hunt shouldnt be near the squad and ricketts needs a rest.

Saturday I would like to see

RCC
STOKES
MARTIN
STEPHENS
LORENTZEN

ROSE
VINCELOT
MADDISON
FLECK

HENDERSON
ARMSTRONG

Agree, although I might be tempted to swap rose with lameiras. We need someone who can play through balls in to Armstrong and get crosses into henderson

Otis · Mar 2, 2016

skybluekelly98 said:
Agree, although I might be tempted to swap rose with lameiras. We need someone who can play through balls in to Armstrong and get crosses into henderson

Lameiras has constantly flattered to receive though. Last time he played well was Sheff Utd away wasn't it? The time before that I think was right at the start of the season.

Sick Boy · Mar 2, 2016

Hobo said:
So you are saying we will never have a good manager because we are Coventry City? You post some garbage at times.

No I am not you moron.

He is manager of a league 1 club, he should not be beyond having questions asked as some would have you believe.

BackRoomRummermill · Mar 2, 2016

Yes change the manager ASAP

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