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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,706
David O'Day said:
Actually scrap that

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Good news I suppose unless we need to stop the infections growing exponentially and the way to do that is to restrict connections outside of our households
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,707
Sandwell is tier 2 with 123 cases per 100k and we are tier 1 with 130 cases per 100k?

What are they actually basing this on?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,708
chiefdave said:
Did he give anymore information as that seems at odds with most things I've read recently.

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Overview

COVID-19 is a new type of coronavirus that causes mild to severe cases. Here’s a quick guide on how to spot symptoms, risk factors, prevent spread of the disease, and find out what to do if you think you have it.
www.webmd.com
How are they even tracking it in schools? We know most infected kids aren't symptomatic and if you don't have symptoms you don't get a test. Add in that track and trace have been told not to follow up cases from educational environments makes me wonder what data they have.

Doesn't it also make a pretty strong case for closing 6th forms and universities? There was some data on this thread before the weekend showing that cases linked to educational establishments dwarfed places like pubs. If they're saying those aren't linked to U16s then surely you have to be looking at shut downs in over 16s education.
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It sounds like complete BS to me for the simple reason that most children won’t have symptoms. Which again begs the question as to why I have to teach in farcical circumstances
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,709
Deleted member 5849 said:
At least he shows himself capable of free thought I suppose, and not just blindly following his party.
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Where I live we have 3 conservative councillors as well as Street and they are all constantly claiming to be against things that are unpopular locally that are the policy of the Conservative government. Makes you wonder if they're in the right party.
 
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djr8369

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,710
Going to go out on a limb and guess that they will never say what numbers get you in or out of each tier and eventually the system will just be replaced with another arbitrary set of rules in a few months designed to deflect whatever criticism they are facing at the time.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,711
chiefdave said:
Where I live we have 3 conservative councillors as well as Street and they are all constantly claiming to be against things that are unpopular locally that are the policy of the Conservative government. Makes you wonder if they're in the right party.
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tbf it's more what government should be, general support, but willing to hold your own party / government to account if you differ too much. Always used to work that way...
 
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djr8369

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,712
David O'Day said:
Sandwell is tier 2 with 123 cases per 100k and we are tier 1 with 130 cases per 100k?

What are they actually basing this on?
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In fairness could also be based on rate of change. Any idea what that is for those two areas? Of course it’s just as likely to be guesswork so don’t put yourself out.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,713
djr8369 said:
Going to go out on a limb and guess that they will never say what numbers get you in or out of each tier and eventually the system will just be replaced with another arbitrary set of rules in a few months designed to deflect whatever criticism they are facing at the time.
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Newcastle is over 500 per 100,000 but not in Tier 3?
 
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djr8369

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,714
National lockdown by Christmas because they don’t want to spend any more money or curb freedoms further.
 

David O'Day

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,715
Sandwell



Coventry



So the trend for cov looks worse than Sandwell
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,716
djr8369 said:
National lockdown by Christmas because they don’t want to spend any more money or curb freedoms further.
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I think that’s quite likely because these restrictions won’t stop increasing infections
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,717
David O'Day said:
Sandwell
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Coventry

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So the trend for cov looks worse than Sandwell
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Let’s get crowds back
 
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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,718
David O'Day said:
Sandwell
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Coventry

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So the trend for cov looks worse than Sandwell
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Brilliant. Just multiply cases per 1000 by rate of change and define a limit for each tier. This should have been worked out and put in place during the first lockdown, it’s fucking basic stuff.
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,719
Never gonna end is it this shit?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,720
djr8369 said:
Going to go out on a limb and guess that they will never say what numbers get you in or out of each tier and eventually the system will just be replaced with another arbitrary set of rules in a few months designed to deflect whatever criticism they are facing at the time.
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Yeah, what happened to the alert levels of a few months ago? Why have we got such a pathetic client media who just amplify this nonsense?
 
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David O'Day

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,721

FFS Boris
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,722
djr8369 said:
Brilliant. Just multiply cases per 1000 by rate of change and define a limit for each tier. This should have been worked out and put in place during the first lockdown, it’s fucking basic stuff.
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They hinted that rate of change was part of the consideration in designating tiers but it clearly isn't. Cases alone is a retrospective measure
 

Jamesimus

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,723
Anyone know why Newcastle upon Tyne isn't in Tier 3 but Liverpool is yet? I imagine there might be a reason, but obviously with our current decision makers, I'm not sure?!
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,724
Saddlebrains said:
Never gonna end is it this shit?
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Yeah it will. Just not for a long while yet and we've probably got a dark, cold and miserable winter ahead.

Even if it still carries on it'll blow itself out eventually. I mean, if it killed everyone it can't infect anyone else can it.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,725
Jamesimus said:
Anyone know why Newcastle upon Tyne isn't in Tier 3 but Liverpool is yet? I imagine there might be a reason, but obviously with our current decision makers, I'm not sure?!
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Tories hate Scousers
 
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djr8369

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,726
fernandopartridge said:
Yeah, what happened to the alert levels of a few months ago? Why have we got such a pathetic client media who just amplify this nonsense?
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Exactly.
fernandopartridge said:
They hinted that rate of change was part of the consideration in designating tiers but it clearly isn't. Cases alone is a retrospective measure
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They always use rate of change as a get out if a journalist asks why one area has certain restrictions but as pointed out it clearly isn’t.
 

Jamesimus

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,727
David O'Day said:
Tories hate Scousers
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I mean, I'm not denying the truth in this...

I have just looked and Liverpool has a slightly higher number of cases per 100,000 people and a higher increase in the past week, so maybe that's why.
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,728
fernandopartridge said:
Yeah, what happened to the alert levels of a few months ago? Why have we got such a pathetic client media who just amplify this nonsense?
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Didn't they quickly break their own system and start removing restrictions when we were still in a level where they should remain in place? Seem to remember they got quietly dropped and never mentioned again after that.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,729
djr8369 said:
Exactly.

They always use rate of change as a get out if a journalist asks why one area has certain restrictions but as pointed out it clearly isn’t.
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There is probably some sort of bell curve related to economic impact underpinning the whole thing or something
 
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David O'Day

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,730
To be serious for a minute, Boris did seem to say in the HoC that he wanted more areas to be Tier 3 but the local leaders were putting their foot down
 
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djr8369

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,731
David O'Day said:
To be serious for a minute, Boris did seem to say in the HoC that he wanted more areas to be Tier 3 but the local leaders were putting their foot down
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That’s true but part of the reason they are putting their foot down is because there isn’t enough support available for the businesses closing.
 

David O'Day

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,732
 
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robbiekeane

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,733
fernandopartridge said:
Not really, Medpro's template website: https://ppemedpro.com/about/



This is an obvious scam. I am an NHS buyer, I can see it.
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So they are claiming they own the factories..? Ffs
 
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Jamesimus

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,734
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,735
David O'Day said:
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Piss up in a brewery.
 

David O'Day

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,736
skybluetony176 said:
Piss up in a brewery.
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I do like the one were they seemingly didn't know Wigan was in Greater Manchester
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,737
David O'Day said:
To be serious for a minute, Boris did seem to say in the HoC that he wanted more areas to be Tier 3 but the local leaders were putting their foot down
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Which is where leadership comes in and having a clear, definable equation that sets the levels based on the scientific data matched to clear restrictions at each tier.

We've got cases per 100k, R rate, positive test %, hospitalisations and percentage of capacity etc - all of which could be used to set an automatic tier level. Doesn't then need govt or local authorities arguing over what should or shouldn't be done. It's all there already.

You could try and add them all into one equation if you wanted although that makes it complicated and puts people off. So instead you could take each criteria and set a tier to a figure for it.
i.e.
R rate
Tier 1 - 1 or below
Tier 2 - 1.1 - 1.4
Tier 3 - 1.5 and above

Cases per 100k
Tier 1 - under 250
Tier 2 - 250-500
Tier 3 - above 500

Hospital capacity
Tier 1 - under a third
Tier 2 - under two-thirds
Tier 3 - above two-thirds

*these are examples - proper figures would be agreed with the relevant scientists and experts to prevent transmission.

Then the tier for each area is set based on the highest tier from all these, so if you're tier 1 on all criteria but tier 3 in another, you're in tier 3.

It's clear, indisputable and sets out what will happen at defined points. Of course people would be annoyed by it but I reckon we're far more likely to be accepting of it if the criteria is plainly set out and what each tier means in terms of restrictions.

It's the constant arbitrary decisions with exemptions for some things and not others not seemingly based on any evidence whatsoever that riles most people. Have the balls to say "these are the criteria for each tier, these are the restrictions that will be imposed for each tier, no exceptions"
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,738
David O'Day said:
I do like the one were they seemingly didn't know Wigan was in Greater Manchester
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How about inviting only one Sunderland MP, and being surprised there were actually three?

 
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David O'Day

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,739
Deleted member 5849 said:
How about inviting only one Sunderland MP, and being surprised there were actually three?
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amazing
 
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djr8369

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,740
Is this the longest this thread has gone on without Grendel making an appearance to point out a mistake labour made over 10 years ago?
 
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