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robbiekeane

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  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #33,601
skybluetony176 said:
Trying to work out how a new company with £200 in assets is more qualified than a long established PPE supplier to be awarded a £110M contract.
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Because they are importing from an accredited producer and obviously have significantly bigger volume commitments on offer than the "long established PPE supplier" (beauty gown supplier that is) who was able to offer 40k gowns per month. The awarded supplier was able to offer 25 million gowns per year.
Non story really
 

robbiekeane

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #33,602
fernandopartridge said:
You know fuck all about public procurement
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Yeh, you're right. Don't know much about public procurement. Know a bit about private though, but i'm just going on the information that is out there which apparently everyone else is able to jump to chunky conclusions with...
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #33,603
robbiekeane said:
Because they are importing from an accredited producer and obviously have significantly bigger volume commitments on offer than the "long established PPE supplier" (beauty gown supplier that is) who was able to offer 40k gowns per month. The awarded supplier was able to offer 25 million gowns per year.
Non story really
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The government spent £252M on 50M face masks that wasn’t fit for purpose. Since when was £252M a non story?
 

robbiekeane

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #33,604
skybluetony176 said:
The government spent £252M on 50M face masks that wasn’t fit for purpose. Since when was £252M a non story?
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Sorry are we talking about face masks or the gowns from Medpro vs Florence Roby? I think you may have misread my post, or your 110m post was about facemasks and i misunderstood
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #33,605
robbiekeane said:
Yeh, you're right. Don't know much about public procurement. Know a bit about private though, but i'm just going on the information that is out there which apparently everyone else is able to jump to chunky conclusions with...
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So if you give someone an order for £250M and the goods turned out to be unfit for purpose would that be a job well done?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #33,606
robbiekeane said:
Sorry are we talking about face masks or the gowns from Medpro vs Florence Roby? I think you may have misread my post, or your 110m post was about facemasks and i misunderstood
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I’m talking about the government.
 

robbiekeane

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #33,607
skybluetony176 said:
So if you give someone an order for £250M and the goods turned out to be unfit for purpose would that be a job well done?
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Not from the supplier, no. Could you quote a post where I said anything even remotely similar to that please?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #33,608
robbiekeane said:
Not from the supplier, no. Could you quote a post where I said anything even remotely similar to that please?
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You’re writing the defence for the government. You’re the one who thinks it’s a non story.
 

Ring Of Steel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #33,609
robbiekeane said:
Not from the supplier, no. Could you quote a post where I said anything even remotely similar to that please?
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You're angrily sticking up for what is at best incompetence & at worst all out corruption. You haven't got a clue, but fair play for all the sidestepping & desperation to stick up for them no matter what- its mildly entertaining on a Sunday night.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #33,610
robbiekeane said:
Not from the supplier, no. Could you quote a post where I said anything even remotely similar to that please?
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Would you expect a credit for the goods having established that they wasn’t fit for purpose? Would you have established penalty clauses for failure to meet the contract?
 

Ring Of Steel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #33,611
skybluetony176 said:
Would you expect a credit for the goods having established that they wasn’t fit for purpose? Would you have established penalty clauses for failure to meet the contract?
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"why do you hate your country so much? Would you rather be in Italy?"
 
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robbiekeane

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  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #33,612
Ring Of Steel said:
You're angrily sticking up for what is at best incompetence & at worst all out corruption. You haven't got a clue, but fair play for all the sidestepping & desperation to stick up for them no matter what- its mildly entertaining on a Sunday night.
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What’s incompetent about the Medpro deal?
 

robbiekeane

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  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #33,613
skybluetony176 said:
Would you expect a credit for the goods having established that they wasn’t fit for purpose? Would you have established penalty clauses for failure to meet the contract?
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Yes and yes. And if that wasn’t done that’s incompetent.
Now I’ve answered your question will you tell me how that’s at all relevant to the case in point?
 

robbiekeane

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  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #33,614
skybluetony176 said:
You’re writing the defence for the government. You’re the one who thinks it’s a non story.
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I said the medpro deal is a non story yes. Are you unable to separate them in your head?
 

robbiekeane

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #33,615
Ring Of Steel said:
"why do you hate your country so much? Would you rather be in Italy?"
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Don’t get it
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #33,616
robbiekeane said:
I said the medpro deal is a non story yes. Are you unable to separate them in your head?
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Why do I need to separate them. It’s the consistent behaviour of the government you’re defending. It’s cost the country hundreds of millions.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #33,617
skybluetony176 said:
Why do I need to separate them. It’s the consistent behaviour of the government you’re defending. It’s cost the country hundreds of millions.
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Ignore him, he's just a thick who gets laughed at
 

robbiekeane

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #33,618
skybluetony176 said:
Why do I need to separate them. It’s the consistent behaviour of the government you’re defending. It’s cost the country hundreds of millions.
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It’s not is it, it’s that specific example I spoke about and you’ve tried your best to twist that into me saying the government have acted perfectly in every single Procurement exercise they’ve ever carried out.

Classic straw man argument because you couldn’t say anything about the actual case being discussed.

I’m out
 

robbiekeane

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  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #33,619
David O'Day said:
Ignore him, he's just a thick who gets laughed at
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You’re not involved mate and that’s okay sometimes, it’s not all about you

anddddd put on ignore
 

Ring Of Steel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,620
robbiekeane said:
Don’t get it
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Clearly

Maybe this will help enlighten you

 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,621
Ring Of Steel said:
Clearly

Maybe this will help enlighten you

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Non story.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,622
Kieranp96 said:
to thick
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...
 
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Greggs

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,623
Feeel like crap, booked in for a test today
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,624
Greggs said:
Feeel like crap, booked in for a test today
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Good luck !
There is a lot of other stuff going around.
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,625
Greggs said:
Feeel like crap, booked in for a test today
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Good luck.
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,626
Ring Of Steel said:
Clearly

Maybe this will help enlighten you

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As someone pointed out on Twitter today, why do the taxpayers alliance never pipe up about any of this stuff.

One could be forgiven for thinking they have a partisan political agenda.
 
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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,627
robbiekeane said:
You’re not involved mate and that’s okay sometimes, it’s not all about you

anddddd put on ignore
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Basically he got made to look a c**t and has run away.

He's just as stupid when he talks about football.
 
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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,628
fernandopartridge said:
There is a solid 40% in this country who back everything the Tories do. The increasingly fascist policies wash over them at best. Even somebody like G who claims to be a libertarian voted for them
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Pretending to be rational libertarians was the same trick used to get people behind Trump and is as much about owning the Dems/hating labour as actually supporting Trump/Johnson.
Watching anything remotely conservative on YouTube just seems to send you down a rabbit hole of people like Ben Shapiro where you’re groomed to be some kind of proto-fascist. Gradually enough hate is built up against the other side, immigrants, young people, the “woke left” etc that anything is acceptable.
 

Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,629
Just about to start...

 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,630
clint van damme said:
As someone pointed out on Twitter today, why do the taxpayers alliance never pipe up about any of this stuff.

One could be forgiven for thinking they have a partisan political agenda.
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How very cynical of you. It clearly states on their website that they aren’t
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,631
The growing sense of anger & frustration is palpable up here.....unless they get the (wider) support package right (which they won't) then mass disobedience & civil unrest will follow......
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,632
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
The growing sense of anger & frustration is palpable up here.....unless they get the (wider) support package right (which they won't) then mass disobedience & civil unrest will follow......
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I can definitely see disobedience of measures/new measures as I’ve said before. Already seeing it. Everyone bought into first lockdown but are struggling to this time
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,633
CCFCSteve said:
I can definitely see disobedience of measures/new measures as I’ve said before. Already seeing it. Everyone bought into first lockdown but are struggling to this time
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Had a nice simple message, protect the NHS.

Now we seem to be protecting the NHS / protecting the economy / allowing for eye test trips / keeping schools and universities open etc. etc.

I've no real idea what our strategy is just atm. Maybe it'll become clearer at 3pm(!)
 
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chiefdave

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,634
Deleted member 5849 said:
Had a nice simple message, protect the NHS.

Now we seem to be protecting the NHS / protecting the economy / allowing for eye test trips / keeping schools and universities open etc. etc.

I've no real idea what our strategy is just atm. Maybe it'll become clearer at 3pm(!)
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That sums it up really. Was all nice and simple at the start, stay at home, protect the NHS. And those that couldn't work got the money they need to survive via furlough. As soon as Cummings made his trip and rather than sack him they decide to start messing around with the message it all fell apart.

Now its all over the place. The rules in place don't stand up to any scrutiny, and when questioned on things like why after 10pm in a pub is an issue but not before, why you can watch the England game in a pub but nobody can go into a 90K stadium etc they have no answers.

Whatever the message is it needs to be clear, simple and easy to follow. And it has to stand up to scrutiny or people won't buy in.

Think there also has to be an exit strategy. People need to know there's an end in sight even if its months away.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #33,635
What I don’t understand is why not do all this yesterday before the working week started. How many people have gone to work today and then before the working day finishes find out that they should be at home? Happened to me at the beginning of the first wave.

Had a daughter displaying symptoms over the weekend before lockdown, went to work Monday morning as per usual following the advice of the government and before I finished work I was being told that I should self isolate for 2 weeks. Don’t believe I or my daughter had it on that occasion but potentially I could have given it to 7 people, one of who has health complications and had to shield.

Why not do this at the weekend? Doesn’t make any common sense.
 
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