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wingy

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  • Oct 9, 2020
  • #33,426
Philosorapter said:
It does make you wonder though about the civil liberties we are losing or going to lose to keep commercial interests ticking along.
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Do you have to maintain a certain level of restriction to maintain essential /key workers Safe.
Is this considered when let rip is suggested.
What percentage hit to that essential sector would represent a bigger health crisis to all than the infection itself?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 9, 2020
  • #33,427
wingy said:
Do you have to maintain a certain level of restriction to maintain essential /key workers Safe.
Is this considered when let rip is suggested.
What percentage hit to that essential sector would represent a bigger health crisis to all than the infection itself?
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I already have colleagues going off work or leaving their jobs because of stress not even a half term in. The kids are allowed to have infinite mixing within their year groups, that is what’s driving up the numbers. Similarly in universities. But they seem intent on closing everything else to work backwards from the conclusion that schools and unis are non negotiable
 
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Ian1779

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  • Oct 9, 2020
  • #33,428
Philosorapter said:
Trump to have a medical live on Fox News.

Just when you thought the world couldn't get any more surreal...
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Is it this guy doing it?

 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 9, 2020
  • #33,429
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I already have colleagues going off work or leaving their jobs because of stress not even a half term in. The kids are allowed to have infinite mixing within their year groups, that is what’s driving up the numbers. Similarly in universities. But they seem intent on closing everything else to work backwards from the conclusion that schools and unis are non negotiable
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I feel very sorry for you, the national babysitters is all schools are. If it was about education then it'd be all done remotely aside from practical lessons.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 9, 2020
  • #33,430
fernandopartridge said:
I feel very sorry for you, the national babysitters is all schools are. If it was about education then it'd be all done remotely aside from practical lessons.
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I've never seen my missus so worked up about the job, we're both forgetting all kinds of things, getting snappy with classes and colleagues and so on. Other colleagues who are normally level headed or well meaning have also turned along those lines. Those who were already precarious or not so great are going off sick and a few have handed in their notices. Barely 6 weeks in to the new term and this is a profession that already has big problems holding on to staff.

But you're right, it's about being viewed as babysitters first and educators second. Half term coming up and it very much looks like they'll have removed the ability to do anything to unwind or release some of the tension/pressure
 
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Ian1779

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  • Oct 9, 2020
  • #33,431
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I already have colleagues going off work or leaving their jobs because of stress not even a half term in. The kids are allowed to have infinite mixing within their year groups, that is what’s driving up the numbers. Similarly in universities. But they seem intent on closing everything else to work backwards from the conclusion that schools and unis are non negotiable
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When they say ‘students’ are the driving force behind the increase in infections they want you to think of those 16-20 when in reality there is just as much in the 11-16 group. We have a child in Year 11 with suspected Cov-ID and was getting tested today. I had to track the amount of students he shared a lesson space with in the last 2 days ( not social time or any of the adults) and it was 143. Now if he is has it, according to the guidelines they all should self-isolate, and then all that they have been with that’s the whole year of 240 out. Just from 1 student. Now they may all be fine, and even those that may end up with it - but that’s 240 ‘spreaders’ taking it back to their homes, their families. You can see how it can spread so quickly.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 9, 2020
  • #33,432
Ian1779 said:
When they say ‘students’ are the driving force behind the increase in infections they want you to think of those 16-20 when in reality there is just as much in the 11-16 group. We have a child in Year 11 with suspected Cov-ID and was getting tested today. I had to track the amount of students he shared a lesson space with in the last 2 days ( not social time or any of the adults) and it was 143. Now if he is has it, according to the guidelines they all should self-isolate, and then all that they have been with that’s the whole year of 240 out. Just from 1 student. Now they may all be fine, and even those that may end up with it - but that’s 240 ‘spreaders’ taking it back to their homes, their families. You can see how it can spread so quickly.
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When you sit down and think about even that one example the stupidity of the plan becomes mind boggling. And it also makes me think more than ever that we should include teachers in the bubble so they at least have a chance of teaching effectively, even if it's just practical subjects first.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Oct 9, 2020
  • #33,433
Brighton Sky Blue said:
When you sit down and think about even that one example the stupidity of the plan becomes mind boggling. And it also makes me think more than ever that we should include teachers in the bubble so they at least have a chance of teaching effectively, even if it's just practical subjects first.
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The schools have to mitigate what they can - and I think it would be a damn sight worse already if they didn’t have some measures in place like masks and year groups in separate bubbles. Additionally, the only place that the kids don’t wear masks is in lessons where they are sat in rows. They are all wearing masks in every corridor, every social time.

Obviously I don’t know how it is in your school, but the thing I’ve heard that’s pushing teachers over the edge is firstly the constant movement of staff, rather than people having their own room base, the anxiety of trying to adhere to all the guidelines/restrictions/health and safety and it just being too overwhelming. The worst thing by far I’ve heard from my wife’s school is that leadership teams continuing with staffing observations, book scrutiny, and over zealous monitoring of teachers. Right now the only priority should be getting kids in, keeping them as safe as possible and providing them with an education in the best way they can. Leadership teams that persist in this behaviour are a disgrace IMO.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 9, 2020
  • #33,434
Ian1779 said:
The schools have to mitigate what they can - and I think it would be a damn sight worse already if they didn’t have some measures in place like masks and year groups in separate bubbles. Additionally, the only place that the kids don’t wear masks is in lessons where they are sat in rows. They are all wearing masks in every corridor, every social time.

Obviously I don’t know how it is in your school, but the thing I’ve heard that’s pushing teachers over the edge is firstly the constant movement of staff, rather than people having their own room base, the anxiety of trying to adhere to all the guidelines/restrictions/health and safety and it just being too overwhelming. The worst thing by far I’ve heard from my wife’s school is that leadership teams continuing with staffing observations, book scrutiny, and over zealous monitoring of teachers. Right now the only priority should be getting kids in, keeping them as safe as possible and providing them with an education in the best way they can. Leadership teams that persist in this behaviour are a disgrace IMO.
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At our school the masks are only mandatory moving between rooms. At break and lunch they can do whatever. The causes of anxiety are similar I think but for us in practical subjects and specifically science it's been even worse because we've had to rip up and rewrite the curriculum with no guidance. Those in others e.g. Art, DT, Drama etc can continue to teach in their usual settings. That's not to try and one up or score points, it's just how it is.

I have done what I can but the younger ones I teach have had zero lab time, the GCSE classes have had a few goes (but even then they can't do experiments, they can only watch me so engagement is poor), and the A-level classes have been prioritised so I am at least teaching close to normal for them.
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 9, 2020
  • #33,435
Do feel for the. Pair of you.
Do you feel the conventional term year is going to be sustainable,or reorganised .
Will half terms need to become longer,breaks more frequent etc .
If there are signs of peaks occuring ?
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 9, 2020
  • #33,436
What are the kids like re apprehension/awareness?
Potential of taking it home?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 9, 2020
  • #33,437
wingy said:
Do feel for the. Pair of you.
Do you feel the conventional term year is going to be sustainable,or reorganised .
Will half terms need to become longer,breaks more frequent etc .
If there are signs of peaks occuring ?
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I think first and foremost we need a decision regarding GCSEs and A-levels so that we get it right and the respective year groups aren't failed by the system as they were this time. My strong preference would be to have year groups on site in a rotation to allow practical subjects to be taught closer to normal conditions while non-practical subjects are delivered remotely
 
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Ian1779

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  • Oct 9, 2020
  • #33,438
wingy said:
Do feel for the. Pair of you.
Do you feel the conventional term year is going to be sustainable,or reorganised .
Will half terms need to become longer,breaks more frequent etc .
If there are signs of peaks occuring ?
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I don’t believe that exams will happen again this year, but I also think they will drag their feet in coming to this conclusion which helps no one. I can see extended breaks at half term and Xmas being useful. They won’t be extra holidays as we’ll be expected to deliver some form of remote learning in the extra weeks.

I think many schools thought these temporary plans would be in place only for a half term or two. They’ll be in place all academic year I believe.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 9, 2020
  • #33,439
Ian1779 said:
They’ll be in place all academic year I believe.
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That makes me want to quit
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 10, 2020
  • #33,440
Here's a shed load of social and economic markers, data.

Coronavirus and the latest indicators for the UK economy and society - Office for National Statistics

Early experimental data on the impact of the coronavirus (COVID-19) on the UK economy and society, including online price changes data.
www.ons.gov.uk
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 10, 2020
  • #33,441
I think fp meant to drop this here.

 
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wingy

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  • Oct 10, 2020
  • #33,442
This deserves to follow it.

 
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The Lurker

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  • Oct 10, 2020
  • #33,443
Wow! we hear the nhs is underfunded yet look at these jobs and the salarys. come on. what the fuck
 

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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 10, 2020
  • #33,444
Philosorapter said:
Trump to have a medical live on Fox News.

Just when you thought the world couldn't get any more surreal...
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Pre-recorded, alas
 

SBAndy

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  • Oct 10, 2020
  • #33,445
The Lurker said:
Wow! we hear the nhs is underfunded yet look at these jobs and the salarys. come on. what the fuck
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Feels utterly appropriate you’d be using Equality to make your point. It’s not even that much money ffs.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Oct 10, 2020
  • #33,446
SBAndy said:
Feels utterly appropriate you’d be using Equality to make your point. It’s not even that much money ffs.
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One of them starts at 24k. You see Customer Service jobs advertised at 22k these days.
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 10, 2020
  • #33,447
You’d have thought he’d be all for equality in the NHS considering white people are underrepresented.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Oct 10, 2020
  • #33,448
CAMRA tweeted this out which seems to vhastly contradict the governments claim of 30% of cases coming from hositality settings

 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Oct 10, 2020
  • #33,449
clint van damme said:
CAMRA tweeted this out which seems to vhastly contradict the governments claim of 30% of cases coming from hositality settings

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yeah, I think this is what DOD and others were saying the other day Clint. They stripped out workplace and education numbers first as these are ‘protected areas’ (in terms of measures/restrictions not from Covid obviously !!)

Ps looks like they might’ve stripped out Care as well
 
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  • Oct 10, 2020
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SBAndy said:
yeah, I think this is what DOD and others were saying the other day Clint. They stripped out workplace and education numbers first as these are ‘protected areas’ (in terms of measures/restrictions not from Covid obviously !!)

Ps looks like they might’ve stripped out Care as well
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That graph suggests it's thoroughly pointless closing other things though, if you're determined to keep the places with biggest contagion carry on.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Oct 10, 2020
  • #33,451
Deleted member 5849 said:
That graph suggests it's thoroughly pointless closing other things though, if you're determined to keep the places with biggest contagion carry on.
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Seen to be doing something isn’t it. Entirely the wrong thing, but something nevertheless.
 
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  • Oct 10, 2020
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Ian1779 said:
Seen to be doing something isn’t it. Entirely the wrong thing, but something nevertheless.
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But ultimately puts off the inevitable, if they think closing things is the way forward.

And makes it far far too late and, maybe, pointless by the time they do it!
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Oct 10, 2020
  • #33,453
How to give the impression things are actually getting better... just change the scale and lie

I don’t know who this guy is and if he has political affiliations, but he has some good info, particularly around the age groups

 

David O'Day

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  • Oct 10, 2020
  • #33,454
CCFCSteve said:
yeah, I think this is what DOD and others were saying the other day Clint. They stripped out workplace and education numbers first as these are ‘protected areas’ (in terms of measures/restrictions not from Covid obviously !!)

Ps looks like they might’ve stripped out Care as well
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Also that is labelled as infections so seems to be where people with a positive test are likely to have caught the virus.

The government slides are labelled as contacts so are seemingly potential know exposure to people with positive cases.


If this is correct it will always skew towards larger figures for hospitality as they are the only sectors apart from education and work where the venues have to take details so know who are in the building. You could potentially infect dozens of people at the supermarket but unless you and all of those people have the app you will not be able to include them as contacts so they go uncounted.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 10, 2020
  • #33,455
David O'Day said:
Also that is labelled as infections so seems to be where people with a positive test are likely to have caught the virus.

The government slides are labelled as contacts so are seemingly potential know exposure to people with positive cases.


If this is correct it will always skew towards larger figures for hospitality as they are the only sectors apart from education and work where the venues have to take details so know who are in the building. You could potentially infect dozens of people at the supermarket but unless you and all of those people have the app you will not be able to include them as contacts so they go uncounted.
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What is also stark from the data is that restaurants have been contributing little to the cases throughout even despite the requirement to track way more people. But in the name of ruining anything good I’m guessing they’ll be among the first to go
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Oct 10, 2020
  • #33,456
Only 30 outbreaks in hospitality last week (out of 900+) based on PHE dat

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I might be wrong but I get the impression this isn’t government pushing this, its the scientific advisors

ps have people been keeping an eye on Spain’s decreasing case numbers (I think only Madrid is properly locked down). I read even Barca clubs have reopened until 3am (seating only)
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Oct 10, 2020
  • #33,457
Rising cases in Italia now as well
 
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The Lurker

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  • Oct 10, 2020
  • #33,458
SBAndy said:
Feels utterly appropriate you’d be using Equality to make your point. It’s not even that much money ffs.
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lol so on one hand the nhs is in crisis with no money yet pointless jobs yes they are pointless is fine.. bearing In mind already 100’s of jobs in the nhs like this filled already so I’d say 10 million a year spent. equality is a tick box job and fuck all else.
 
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The Lurker

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  • Oct 10, 2020
  • #33,459
Sick Boy said:
Rising cases in Italia now as well
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shows masks don’t work
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 10, 2020
  • #33,460
The Lurker said:
lol so on one hand the nhs is in crisis with no money yet pointless jobs yes they are pointless is fine.. bearing In mind already 100’s of jobs in the nhs like this filled already so I’d say 10 million a year spent. equality is a tick box job and fuck all else.
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If it’s such a gravy train why can’t we keep hold of our doctors and nurses?
 
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