Nick
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Yet the kids are going to school every day still and then actually going home to families etc...
The point being, there's been a lot of talk, on this board and elsewhere, about just let students get it as they won't be affected.
But that completely misses the fact others may well be.
There is a question here, other sources put it lower than 5% .the government are saying 30% of cases are down to pubs and restaurants, hardly scapegoating if true.
Indeed. And I've said all along that completely misses the fact, when children are generally OK, that others may not be. It's the same point.Yet the kids are going to school every day still and then actually going home to families etc...
Sounds about right.
I know of several examples of folks not isolating, & many more of students not isolating despite testing positive.
I know of a fella who isolated whilst caring for & sharing a bed with his Mrs. who was positive with bad symptoms...he never caught it!
I've also heard of people getting told incorrectly to isolate via the App due to bluetooth connecting through internal walls & ceilings etc.
Anyhow, its nearly that time of day...I'll be off shortly to get my winter coat on so I can stand 2 metres away from my mates in a windy wet beer garden for a few scoops.....probably be illegal up here next week.
Happy Friday folks.
Indeed. And I've said all along that completely misses the fact, when children are generally OK, that others may not be. It's the same point.
What kind of madness is it that, currently, if your child is off school because the year is closed because of Covid, you as parent can still work and, if you have no choice in that matter, government will allow your parents, or grandparents, to look after your child in that period.
Looking at the testing figures the UK has tested more than double every other EU country, and compare our testing to the likes of Mexico and South American country's you can see how bad they have it.
No. Again,. I've said you do is faster, and react faster, to avoid it being shut down for longer.So do we just lock everybody away forever?
No. Again,. I've said you do is faster, and react faster, to avoid it being shut down for longer.
We've learned nothing from last time.
You also do it to stop hospitals being overwhelmed, (fp's post above) and to save the wellbeing of people who are being ordered to be placed in situations out of their control.
Funnily enough, that's one thing we can all agree on!I genuinely can't see an end to it all
Yes tests but how many people and how rapid is the turnaround.Looking at the testing figures the UK has tested more than double every other EU country, and compare our testing to the likes of Mexico and South American country's you can see how bad they have it.
Indeed. This virus discriminates by class, often.Not lambasting those who are economically stretched are not satisfactorily supported.
The one thing I would say for shutting pubs is that it probably switches something in people’s minds. Lots of “if pubs are open why can’t I do X?” Type questions at the moment.
The student thing is funny. They can’t exactly go back on it now as you’re just getting a bunch of people infected then sending them round the country. They never should’ve opened them in the first place but the landlords wouldn’t have been happy.
I genuinely can't see an end to it all
There is a question here, other sources put it lower than 5% .
The pubs thing also makes people go ‘why am I fine to work in an office for 8 hours but not go to the pub for a few’
And even with things like schooling, proper investment in seeing what *could* be done remotely would have been helpful. I'm pretty sure *every* class doesn't have to be face-to-face *all* the time.I can’t help but feel things are being kept open because of lobbying and not economics or medicine. Student flats is the one that gets me. No reason at all to force students back if it wasn’t for the landlords shitting themselves.
Same for making everyone go back to the office. Surely the sensible thing is to do as much as possible remotely and save the in person stuff for what really matters like schooling.
that's why I put if true at the end of the sentence, there's that much bullshit and misinformation it's hard to get the true picture.
Are the units the same? Remember our tests ≠ people tested. Likewise, the UK is one of the largest countries in Europe with the one of the worst infection rates, it must do more testing.Looking at the testing figures the UK has tested more than double every other EU country, and compare our testing to the likes of Mexico and South American country's you can see how bad they have it.
outbreaks (two or more from same location) is probably as good as it gets in terms of accurately(ish) knowing where transmission took place. Hospitality outbreaks were apparently low until recentlyI don’t understand how it’s even possible to tell TBH. I get corona in the office then head to the gym and the pub and give it to a load of people, where did that start? Without testing everyone how do they know who I gave it to? The ex has just been contact traced and is isolating (shame), but she’s not being tested so is that an “outbreak” in a school or what? Are they tracing up the chain as well?
outbreaks (two or more from same location) is probably as good as it gets in terms of accurately(ish) knowing where transmission took place. Hospitality outbreaks were apparently low until recently
Very ! For the reasons you and others state (most people are likely to have a few interactions over a day or two so who really knows)Yeah just reading this 41% of Covid patients under 30 caught it in a pub, bar or restaurant
Seems you’re right. With my data hat on I’ve got to say the evidence base seems very flimsy all round.
Yet the kids are going to school every day still and then actually going home to families etc...
And even with things like schooling, proper investment in seeing what *could* be done remotely would have been helpful. I'm pretty sure *every* class doesn't have to be face-to-face *all* the time.
Seen a few epidemiologist all saying the same thing. To start to get back to anything even vaguely approaching normality we need everyone to wear mask, strict enforcement of social distancing and no let up on the hand washing & cleanliness. Given that half the country seems to refuse to wear masks and the government are happy to cram people into schools, unis, offices and pubs thats not happening anytime soon.I genuinely can't see an end to it all
Wonder how much we spent on the research to come up with this stunning insight.Yeah just reading this 41% of Covid patients under 30 caught it in a pub, bar or restaurant
Seems you’re right. With my data hat on I’ve got to say the evidence base seems very flimsy all round.
Separate PHE data released last night showed infected people most often come into contact with family they live with
Not really sure 25Are the units the same? Remember our tests ≠ people tested. Likewise, the UK is one of the largest countries in Europe with the one of the worst infection rates, it must do more testing.
Are the units the same? Remember our tests ≠ people tested. Likewise, the UK is one of the largest countries in Europe with the one of the worst infection rates, it must do more testing.
the government are saying 30% of cases are down to pubs and restaurants, hardly scapegoating if true.
That's contacts and pubs are higher as they actually track and trace and take details
How does anybody ever find it?I'm a subcontractor in an unnamed hospital (not in Coventry).
This has always been their thinking as far as I can tell. They don't seem to have at any point considered the so called 'zero-covid' approach.There's a lot of lip service about keeping the economy running vs people dying.
They will keep things working for as long as possible until they see the NHS cant take more admissions rather then the amount of people dying.
Never thought of this and its a great way of looking at it. If planes were falling out of the sky like that would people be marching in the street demanding to be let on a plane?I have always liked to put the amount of people dying into imaginary plane crashes instead.
I am sure if a couple of a jumbo jets started to fall out of the sky over the UK each week in line with how many covid deaths there's been they would of brought the aviation industry to a stand still, instead of working out how many plane crashes the UK could take before the NHS coudn't cope.
This. I'm a subcontractor in an unnamed hospital (not in Coventry). The only places I've had my details taken for track and trace so far have been pubs!
Never thought of this and its a great way of looking at it. If planes were falling out of the sky like that would people be marching in the street demanding to be let on a plane?
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