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fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 22, 2020
  • #32,201
It’sabatch87 said:
I’m not the biggest Boris fan but imagine comrade Corbyn in charge dear me!!
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Grow up
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 22, 2020
  • #32,202
Coronovirus between 22:01 and 05:59

 

skybluetony176

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  • Sep 22, 2020
  • #32,203
It’sabatch87 said:
I’m not the biggest Boris fan but imagine comrade Corbyn in charge dear me!!
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Not ambitious enough. Try what if Pol Pot was in charge. If you’re going to make a straw man argument at least put some effort into it.
 

David O'Day

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  • Sep 22, 2020
  • #32,204
skybluetony176 said:
Not ambitious enough. Try what if Pol Pot was in charge. If you’re going to make a straw man argument at least put some effort into it.
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What if a council of the ghosts of Chairman Mao, Josef Stalin and Enver Hoxha were in charge mate!
 

skybluetony176

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  • Sep 22, 2020
  • #32,205
David O'Day said:
What if a council of the ghosts of Chairman Mao, Josef Stalin and Enver Hoxha were in charge mate!
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That’s the spirit.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #32,206
skybluetony176 said:
That’s the spirit.
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What if Fred West was in charge mate!
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #32,207
David O'Day said:
What if Fred West was in charge mate!
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There'd have been a report on it but it'd have been buried.
 

robbiekeane

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #32,208
Am I missing something, why aren’t we looking at positive cases as a % of tests? Why can’t I find this data anywhere? Surely that omits the effect of having significantly more tests being done now?

 
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wingy

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  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #32,209
A significant number, close to 50% of hospital admissions are women aged 20 -40.
Nothing to do with schools re-opening though .
It's about their workplaces and public facing roles?

I guess that they've been doing that for two or three months now is irrelevant?
 

Ian1779

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  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #32,210
It’sabatch87 said:
I’m not the biggest Boris fan but imagine comrade Corbyn in charge dear me!!
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Some quality trolling there direct from Conservative Party headquarters - you must have got a recent update through to deflect from the fact Comrade Boris (yes the one taking backhanders from Russian donors) has well and truly fucked it...... again.

Why don’t you go the whole hog and say it’s been a success because less people have died than in the Black Death.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #32,211
It's a shame people didn't apply the same logic when Theresa May was in charge, and Johnson was lurking in the shadows...
 

Ian1779

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  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #32,212
Deleted member 5849 said:
It's a shame people didn't apply the same logic when Theresa May was in charge, and Johnson was lurking in the shadows...
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May would have handled this better than Johnson
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #32,213
Anyway, yesterday's announcement. Lots of how people have to follow the rules... but Cummings is still there. Any authority Johnson had on that just vanishes into the night air.

Reading between the lines of that statement, another lockdown is inevitable - it's just being positioned atm. Surely we'd all agree, regardless of whether we think a lockdown is right or not, then if you're going to do it, just do it rather than death by a thousand cuts.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #32,214
Ian1779 said:
May would have handled this better than Johnson
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That was kind of my point...
 

Ian1779

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  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #32,215
Deleted member 5849 said:
That was kind of my point...
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Because at the very least she wouldn’t have ejected her senior, more experienced MP’s and she would have used their counsel to guide and advise her.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #32,216
Ian1779 said:
Because at the very least she wouldn’t have ejected her senior, more experienced MP’s and she would have used their counsel to guide and advise her.
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She'd have also done what she thought was right ahead of what's popular. Every other Prime Minister in my lifetime would have done that, even if what they thought was right would have differed.

About the only thing I can say is Johnson is a strong libertarian, so I do believe his reluctance to lock down is from a deep held belief, but they spend their life leaking to guage popularity first.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #32,217
The aim is to keep the r rate just below 1 a lockdown is not inevitable as this spike was not inevitable. Germany and Italy are two examples of outbreaks but not exponential growth. Percentages of positive tests as opposed to tests is important. Something like 6-8% is not good. 5000 of 200000 is 4%! but anyone that believes we are doing 200000 a day needs to give their head a wobble
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #32,218
Just two weeks ago

Notice how the lines stop as the number of positive tests start to increase. I think matt Hancock would be all over the press and media saying I told you so if the percentage was still low.

Other things to consider are that only those in hospital or care homes or those working there were being tested initially and now it’s pretty difficult to get a test again.

Fewer than 2.5% of Covid-19 tests in the UK are positive, data shows

Testing data in the UK shows that comparing positive tests now to positive tests at the height of the outbreak is unfair because they only picked up a tiny proportion of the reality at the time.
www.google.co.uk
 

shmmeee

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  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #32,219
Deleted member 5849 said:
She'd have also done what she thought was right ahead of what's popular. Every other Prime Minister in my lifetime would have done that, even if what they thought was right would have differed.

About the only thing I can say is Johnson is a strong libertarian, so I do believe his reluctance to lock down is from a deep held belief, but they spend their life leaking to guage popularity first.
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I still can’t wrap my head around all the wannabe Yanks that rant about libruls are voting for probably the most liberal PM since Blair.
 

David O'Day

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  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #32,220
raab is always a comedy morning interview
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #32,221
France have had thousands of cases a day for weeks now. However look at the death rate...


Somethings not right
 

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Deleted member 5849

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  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #32,222
Saddlebrains said:
France have had thousands of cases a day for weeks now. However look at the death rate...


Somethings not right
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It's younger people, and the risk is when it (inevitably, if rates continue to rise) starts affecting older people, and those with health issues.

tbf, the only time to test if the virus weakens is when we're all catching it left, right and centre. But at the moment there's no evidence, as social conditions (being caught by younger and healthier people atm) and mitigation (i.e. wearing masks, so viral load reduced, social distancing etc) are all in play.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #32,223
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #32,224
Saddlebrains said:
France have had thousands of cases a day for weeks now. However look at the death rate...


Somethings not right
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Just beginning to show in death rate
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #32,225
Saddlebrains said:
France have had thousands of cases a day for weeks now. However look at the death rate...


Somethings not right
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Dofference in testing strategy. If places were testing then like they are now the cases would’ve been 5-20 times those figures.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #32,226

Rapid Covid tests could be ‘consumer product’, says Dido Harding

Anger as head of UK test-and-trace suggests companies could be charged to find out if staff are infected
amp.ft.com
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #32,227
Deleted member 5849 said:

Rapid Covid tests could be ‘consumer product’, says Dido Harding

Anger as head of UK test-and-trace suggests companies could be charged to find out if staff are infected
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Behind paywall?
Could you copy and paste?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #32,228
Actually, my main issue is that unless a test is 100% accurate, it could do more harm than good. 70k fans cleared for Old Trafford...
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #32,229
wingy said:
Behind paywall?
Could you copy and paste?
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Might work via this as it did for me.

 
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clint van damme

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  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #32,230
Deleted member 5849 said:
Might work via this as it did for me.

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what a c**t that woman is.
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #32,231
Deleted member 5849 said:
Might work via this as it did for me.

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Yeah I saw that- the Moonshot tests will not be available on the NHS, she says that they are a "cost of doing business" and will therefore have to be paid for, apart from if you have symptoms in which case you'll get one for free

Daily 'moonshot' tests for Covid-19 will not be given out by NHS - the public will have to pay

Dido Harding said that the tests should be seen as a 'cost of doing business' for people who want to attend conferences or go to the theatre
inews.co.uk
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #32,232
clint van damme said:
what a c**t that woman is.
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No argument there.

However, Whilst I don't agree on it being a "consumer" product, I have no issue with business paying for it. Why shouldn't they if it enables them to increase their productivity & profitability.
In theory at least, it could also claw back some revenue to help pay for the public & NHS testing
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #32,233
Boris Schools are Safe.
No children are.
Leave Dido alone.
99% of schools open ?
But something like 15% of pupils are off
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #32,234
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
No argument there.

However, Whilst I don't agree on it being a "consumer" product, I have no issue with business paying for it. Why shouldn't they if it enables them to increase their productivity & profitability.
In theory at least, it could also claw back some revenue to help pay for the public & NHS testing
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Consumer will pay in the end.
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 23, 2020
  • #32,235
Between,96and 99.5 efficacy.
 
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