Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (137 Viewers)

Walsgrave · Sep 22, 2020

chiefdave said:
Something needs to be put in place. According to the ONS in April 2019 (the most recent figure available) the average employee was earning £30,415. What is the impact on the economy going to be if we suddenly dump millions of people onto a maximum of £4,919 a year under universal credit when furlough ends?

Seems the average mortgage payment is about £670 a month, people wouldn't even be able to cover that. Is there no impact on the economy if huge numbers of people can't pay their mortgages and lose their homes? Where are they all going to live? Finding somewhere to rent is hard enough when you have a job, unemployed and unable to pass a credit check I can imagine it being near impossible.

A lot of talk of economic impact but we need to look after individuals as well as big businesses.

I think everybody agrees on the impact of going from around £30000 to £5000 per year per head for a large section of the population.

It's more about how the monies used to support people are distributed. Too many were left out of the furlough so it had a really differential impact. Not the fault of people on furlough of course, but has become clearer over time that an alternative way to provide income support to those who cannot do their jobs at this time should be support.

Personally I'd be in favour of a Basic Income, or an extension to furlough for those jobs that cannot physically be done from home and the creation of new jobs with government backing. Easier said than done of course, and I wouldn't know which sectors will have jobs in the future, but it seems a preferable alternative to leaving so many behind.

shmmeee · Sep 22, 2020

Starting to think the best option is a temporary massive increase in job seekers benefits (whatever they’re called this week) and let the chips fall where they may.

Though I’m safely working from home on a good salary with no mortgage to pay so easy for me to say.

Brighton Sky Blue · Sep 22, 2020

David O'Day said:
What are the limited numbers of officers available going to do?

"oh please don't walk within 2m of someone"

Not an answer

Or we could shut them all up again and only open schools on a ‘normal’ basis.

xcraigx · Sep 22, 2020

4926 today.

David O'Day · Sep 22, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Or we could shut them all up again and only open schools on a ‘normal’ basis.

Different argument though isn't it. The conversation was about the caused by closing all pubs and bars at 10pm not should pubs remain open.

David O'Day · Sep 22, 2020

for anyone who thought "nah that's got to be a miss quote", he is Boris telling a Labour MP trace and test has nothing to do with the tranmission of the virus.

Brighton Sky Blue · Sep 22, 2020

David O'Day said:
Different argument though isn't it. The conversation was about the caused by closing all pubs and bars at 10pm not should pubs remain open.

Not really as them curfew is seen as the alternative to closing them entirely. Whenever you shift the opening hours you’ll get the same issue about everyone out earlier.

David O'Day · Sep 22, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Not really as them curfew is seen as the alternative to closing them entirely. Whenever you shift the opening hours you’ll get the same issue about everyone out earlier.

1) It's a very different conversation though, the conversation was "what are the issues of closing the pubs at the same time" not "should we shut pubs for epidemiological reasons"

2) Later opening hours do make a lot of difference as people will then leave the pub at different times meaning you don't have everyone out at the same time. This coupled with an earlier closing time means the pubs are much more likely to be fully at closing time creating issues outside the piubs.

Saddlebrains · Sep 22, 2020

To try and add a lighter note to proceedings

Sky Blue Pete · Sep 22, 2020

xcraigx said:
4926 today.

That’s a big leap. The covid 19 app has an estimate of just under 12000 new infections

fernandopartridge · Sep 22, 2020

David O'Day said:
for anyone who thought "nah that's got to be a miss quote", he is Boris telling a Labour MP trace and test has nothing to do with the tranmission of the virus.

So why did he say they'd set up a world beating one of it doesn't matter?

David O'Day · Sep 22, 2020

Just saw a tory mp trying to row back on this

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 22, 2020

fernandopartridge said:
So why did he say they'd set up a world beating one of it doesn't matter?

Following the science...

Testing and tracing 'key to schools returning', scientists say

The UK's test and trace schemes are not yet good enough to stop a virus resurgence, scientists say.

www.bbc.co.uk

Determining the optimal strategy for reopening schools, the impact of test and trace interventions, and the risk of occurrence of a second COVID-19 epidemic wave in the UK: a modelling study

To prevent a second COVID-19 wave, relaxation of physical distancing, including reopening of schools, in the UK must be accompanied by large-scale, population-wide testing of symptomatic individuals and effective tracing of their contacts, followed by isolation of diagnosed individuals.

www.thelancet.com

Testing for COVID-19: A way to lift confinement restrictions

This policy brief discusses the role of testing for COVID 19 as part of any plan to lift confinement restrictions and prepare for a possible new wave of viral infections. If all confinement restrictions are lifted before a vaccine or effective treatments are developed without other measures to...

www.oecd.org

fernandopartridge · Sep 22, 2020

Just an example of the sloppy if not downright misleading presentation of data on the govt website

Patients admitted on the cover page is weeks out of date. The actual number is hidden away in the country by country count in the data section.

skybluetony176 · Sep 22, 2020

fernandopartridge said:
So why did he say they'd set up a world beating one of it doesn't matter?

He needed a distraction from Cummings eye test IIRC so was just saying anything that he thought would make an alternative headline.

clint van damme · Sep 22, 2020

I've been wrong about these things before but I think Johnsons on the last leg of his time as PM.

David O'Day · Sep 22, 2020

fernandopartridge said:
Just an example of the sloppy if not downright misleading presentation of data on the govt website

Patients admitted on the cover page is weeks out of date. The actual number is hidden away in the country by country count in the data section.

A short thread on hospital admissions you may find interesting.

skybluetony176 · Sep 22, 2020

Breaking news that will surprise no one

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The firm behind last year’s tax credits scandal as well as companies linked to debt collection services are among those who have been handed contac...

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Ian1779 · Sep 22, 2020

clint van damme said:
I've been wrong about these things before but I think Johnsons on the last leg of his time as PM.

No doubt they’ll replace him with Gove.

clint van damme · Sep 22, 2020

Ian1779 said:
No doubt they’ll replace him with Gove.

hope so, I've got 40 quid on him at 9/1

David O'Day · Sep 22, 2020

Hunt could be a nice outside bet, kept his powder dry, more popular with Tory MPs and also popular with Murdoch.

David O'Day · Sep 22, 2020

He's on TV at 8pm if you fancy some comedy gold.

clint van damme · Sep 22, 2020

David O'Day said:
Hunt could be a nice outside bet, kept his powder dry, more popular with Tory MPs and also popular with Murdoch.

from a man who doesn't know how many kids he's got to one who doesn't know what nationality his wife is. We're in safe hands.

David O'Day · Sep 22, 2020

clint van damme said:
from a man who doesn't know how many kids he's got to one who doesn't know what nationality his wife is. We're in safe hands.

Could be worse, could be pritti patel. On a side note check out her new spitting image puppet

clint van damme · Sep 22, 2020

David O'Day said:
Could be worse, could be pritti patel. On a side note check out her new spitting image puppet

fucking hell!

David O'Day · Sep 22, 2020

That was shit

David O'Day · Sep 22, 2020

proper shit

BackRoomRummermill · Sep 22, 2020

This about sums it up

chiefdave · Sep 22, 2020

Not good, and uni students back this week.

Quadrupling in schools sending pupils home in Covid cases

School attendance figures for England show big rise in pupils sent home because of Covid-19 incidents.

www.bbc.co.uk

Liquid Gold · Sep 22, 2020

I'm looking forward to picking it up so I can have a holiday in County Durham.

SomersetSB · Sep 22, 2020

I’m not the biggest Boris fan but imagine comrade Corbyn in charge dear me!!

shmmeee · Sep 22, 2020

It’sabatch87 said:
I’m not the biggest Boris fan but imagine comrade Corbyn in charge dear me!!

Come on. If there’s one thing Corbyn would be good at it’s spending huge amounts of money to avert a humanitarian crisis.

David O'Day · Sep 22, 2020

It’sabatch87 said:
I’m not the biggest Boris fan but imagine comrade Corbyn in charge dear me!!

Yep imagine what it would be like in a pandemic with properly funded public services?

Liquid Gold · Sep 22, 2020

It’sabatch87 said:
I’m not the biggest Boris fan but imagine comrade Corbyn in charge dear me!!

We're literally the worst in the world. even if he was terrible shite the worst he could do was keep us being the worst in the world.

Grendel · Sep 22, 2020

Liquid Gold said:
We're literally the worst in the world. even if he was terrible shite the worst he could do was keep us being the worst in the world.

Worst in the world by what measure?

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