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Flying Fokker

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,291
fernandopartridge said:
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Please bring this on.
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,292
shmmeee said:
That’s got to be the UBI tradeoff. Reduced employment/pay law and benefit spend. Something for everyone!
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It’s not though is it? If you are a manual labourer with a long service in a company you’d be entitled to £16,000 plus 12 weeks pay tax free - companies would love it - ditch old people and get the state to pick up the tab
 

chiefdave

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,293
Grendel said:
As long as we can ditch workers rights regarding redundancy this would be a real help
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Bound to be some trade offs. Not like we're getting anything in return at the moment when workers rights are eroded .

What did you have in mind? Doesn't seem that difficult to make people redundant at present.
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,294
chiefdave said:
Bound to be some trade offs. Not like we're getting anything in return at the moment when workers rights are eroded .

What did you have in mind? Doesn't seem that difficult to make people redundant at present.
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It’s not difficult but it’s costly and workers have significant rights if they have been employed for a considerable time. What have actually been eroded in terms of rights on redundancy?

It’s a pie in the sky argument
 

skybluetony176

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,295
I see numb nuts is still saying back to normal by Xmas. Full Trump now.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,296
Pie in the sky tests too. Sorry that should be moonshot tests.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,297
skybluetony176 said:
So is the long and short of it Boris waffled without actually saying anything and has left the country more confused than it was before his address to the nation.
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Standard!
 

David O'Day

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,298
Really WTF was that press conference all about? Car Crash TV
 

Ian1779

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,299
Grendel said:
Hopefully yes
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IF jobs can be done as well and efficiently at home then why the clamour to return?
 

David O'Day

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,300
Ian1779 said:
IF jobs can be done as well and efficiently at home then why the clamour to return?
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because the economy of city centres trumps safety
 

shmmeee

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,301
Grendel said:
It’s not though is it? If you are a manual labourer with a long service in a company you’d be entitled to £16,000 plus 12 weeks pay tax free - companies would love it - ditch old people and get the state to pick up the tab
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You’re talking about right now? I don’t think UBI is a serious proposal for now.

God knows what you do right now. Extending furlough seems the only realistic idea if we think it’ll be over by a year or so. Maybe fund voluntary redundancy in some cases?

Whatever you do though people will lose their jobs and their industry likely won’t be hiring for a while. Of course redundancy payments should be made to them. I’m just saying in the future UBI would avoid this situation but would need an equal balance of loosening of regulation.
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,302
Ian1779 said:
IF jobs can be done as well and efficiently at home then why the clamour to return?
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Well for a start the service providers who provide transport and leisure and refreshment facilities - also I am I suspect one of a handful of people here who have worked at home for a large PLC and without some office presence it’s really ridiculous as a concept.
 
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Grendel

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,303
shmmeee said:
You’re talking about right now? I don’t think UBI is a serious proposal for now.

God knows what you do right now. Extending furlough seems the only realistic idea if we think it’ll be over by a year or so. Maybe fund voluntary redundancy in some cases?

Whatever you do though people will lose their jobs and their industry likely won’t be hiring for a while. Of course redundancy payments should be made to them. I’m just saying in the future UBI would avoid this situation but would need an equal balance of loosening of regulation.
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You should extend furlough for SME but every other company needs to return - it should never have been offered to large companies and allowing them the £1,000 bonus is money down the drain
 

skybluetony176

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,304
 
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ajsccfc

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,305
Peston asking if Christmas was cancelled was a belter. Use your platform well
 
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Ian1779

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,306
Grendel said:
Well for a start the service providers who provide transport and leisure and refreshment facilities - also I am I suspect one of a handful of people here who have worked at home for a large PLC and without some office presence it’s really ridiculous as a concept.
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As someone who doesn’t work in that kind of industry why is it ridiculous? Just trying to understand
 

David O'Day

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,307
Ian1779 said:
As someone who doesn’t work in that kind of industry why is it ridiculous? Just trying to understand
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Why ask him? His "past" changes daily
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,308
Ian1779 said:
As someone who doesn’t work in that kind of industry why is it ridiculous? Just trying to understand
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As someone who worked from home for the worlds biggest (at that time) company for a couple of years, I can tell you in my experience it’s absolutely no problem at all long as your colleagues are set up right too. There’s no issue. It’s ridiculous to clamour for returns to offices in the year 2020 in the midst of a huge pandemic, when the big buzzwords for years have been ‘work life balance’, ‘remote working’, ‘flexitime’ etc.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,309
Grendel said:
Well for a start the service providers who provide transport and leisure and refreshment facilities - also I am I suspect one of a handful of people here who have worked at home for a large PLC and without some office presence it’s really ridiculous as a concept.
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Then the fault is with the way the economy works and it should be looked upon how this can be improved upon over time with as minimal impact during that transition.

It's like waking up with a massive hangover and deciding the best cure is back on the booze. Short term it might alleviate it but longer term it just ain't sustainable.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,310
ajsccfc said:
Peston asking if Christmas was cancelled was a belter. Use your platform well
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I hate that c**t
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,311
ajsccfc said:
Peston asking if Christmas was cancelled was a belter. Use your platform well
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Just got Alan Rickman as the Sheriff of Nottingham in my head now.
 

Ian1779

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,312
Ring Of Steel said:
As someone who worked from home for the worlds biggest (at that time) company for a couple of years, I can tell you in my experience it’s absolutely no problem at all long as your colleagues are set up right too. There’s no issue. It’s ridiculous to clamour for returns to offices in the year 2020 in the midst of a huge pandemic, when the big buzzwords for years have been ‘work life balance’, ‘remote working’, ‘flexitime’ etc.
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Work life balance has been one of the major reasons for teachers leaving the profession. Some schools and heads get it, some really do not. I know I can’t teach from home effectively and we need to be in school for as long as it remains safe to do so, but the lockdown has shown us that we don’t need to stay at school anymore after the kids go home. We can do meetings, training and all the other shite we have to from home now. The days of expecting teachers to hang around unnecessarily should be over.
I would have thought offices would be all over that stuff.
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,313
Ian1779 said:
Work life balance has been one of the major reasons for teachers leaving the profession. Some schools and heads get it, some really do not. I know I can’t teach from home effectively and we need to be in school for as long as it remains safe to do so, but the lockdown has shown us that we don’t need to stay at school anymore after the kids go home. We can do meetings, training and all the other shite we have to from home now. The days of expecting teachers to hang around unnecessarily should be over.
I would have thought offices would be all over that stuff.
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It goes to show that all the talk before covid of companies wanting to really improve employee welfare was actually hot air. One minute you have corporations boasting about their latest innovation to improve employee wellbeing, but lethal virus all over the place? Fuck you, get your arses back in
 
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chiefdave

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,314
Ring Of Steel said:
It goes to show that all the talk before covid of companies wanting to really improve employee welfare was actually hot air. One minute you have corporations boasting about their latest innovation to improve employee wellbeing, but lethal virus all over the place? Fuck you, get your arses back in
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I'm sure the people saying everyone should head back to the office have the best intentions.

Lord Alan Sugar tells 'complacent' office workers to 'get their a***s back now'

He’s declared working from home over.
metro.co.uk

Lord Sugar sees his office portfolio ‘suffering’ as staff stay at home

Lord Alan Sugar has said his central London property investments are "suffering" due to office workers staying home and City-based companies finding out they "don't need" pre-pandemic size premises.
www.standard.co.uk
Almost laughable how its always the market should dictate but then a blind panic to get everyone in the office when it looks like property developers and the likes of Pret & Starbucks might lose a few quid.

We've got something here that could among other things, massively improve peoples quality of life, reduce the strain on public transport, get cars off the road & improve the environment. Companies who have implemented similar prior to the pandemic report increased productivity and staff retention. Its an absolute no brainer yet the clamour is for everyone to get back to the office.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,315
Seems details of Johnson's 'Operation Moonshoot' have been leaked. Have to say it reads more like another scheme to divert money to his mates than a serious proposal to get things back to some sort of normal.
A briefing memo sent to the first minister and cabinet secretaries in Scotland, seen by The BMJ, says that the UK-wide Moonshot programme is expected to “cost over £100bn to deliver.” If achieved, the programme would allow testing of the entire UK population each week.
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To put that into perspective that's the same as the education budget for the UK, or over half the budget for the NHS.
The leaked documents reveal a heavy reliance on the private sector to achieve the mass testing and give details of “letters of comfort” that have already been signed with companies to reach three million tests a day by December. Firms named are GSK for supplying tests, AstraZeneca for laboratory capacity, and Serco and G4S for logistics and warehousing.
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Already questions being raised about the reliance on the private sector and a lack of experts being involved.
Some of the technology it would require does not yet exist.
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Also sounds like there's going to be an app so you can show you have had a negative test. No problem there with the great track record on app development!

Covid-19: Government plans to spend £100bn on expanding testing to 10 million a day

The UK government has drawn up plans to carry out up to 10 million covid-19 tests a day by early next year as part of a huge £100bn (€110bn; $130bn) expansion of its national testing programme, documents seen by The BMJ show. The internal correspondence reveals that the government is prepared...
www.bmj.com
Lets hope they can actually pull this off because at the moment its looking like it could be the only way we're getting back to anything approaching normal anytime soon.
 

David O'Day

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  • Sep 10, 2020
  • #31,316

Coronavirus: Concerns over Boris Johnson's 'moonshot' testing plans

Medical experts raise doubts about plans to have "millions" of coronavirus tests processed every day.
www.bbc.co.uk
 

Wyken Sky Blue

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  • Sep 10, 2020
  • #31,317


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skybluetony176

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  • Sep 10, 2020
  • #31,318
skyblue1991 said:


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Surely they should all be self isolating for two weeks because of sneezy.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Sep 10, 2020
  • #31,319
Ring Of Steel said:
It goes to show that all the talk before covid of companies wanting to really improve employee welfare was actually hot air. One minute you have corporations boasting about their latest innovation to improve employee wellbeing, but lethal virus all over the place? Fuck you, get your arses back in
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Hmmm, I’m not sure it’s that dramatic. A lot of firms I’m aware of are, where possible, continuing some level of WFH. Look at a number of the banks and accountancy firms for example ?!!

I think a good thing to come out of all this will be better work life balance, flexible working etc but as I’ve said before that shouldn’t mean that most people shouldn’t be going back in at least a proportion of the time, if it’s safe for them to do so.

Ps there are also a number of intangible benefits for businesses and individuals from being in a work place together at least some of the time (building better relationships, sharing views and experiences, diverse thinking etc etc) Not to mention the wider short term impact on the local small business communities if people dont
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Sep 10, 2020
  • #31,320
chiefdave said:
I'm sure the people saying everyone should head back to the office have the best intentions.

Lord Alan Sugar tells 'complacent' office workers to 'get their a***s back now'

He’s declared working from home over.
metro.co.uk

Lord Sugar sees his office portfolio ‘suffering’ as staff stay at home

Lord Alan Sugar has said his central London property investments are "suffering" due to office workers staying home and City-based companies finding out they "don't need" pre-pandemic size premises.
www.standard.co.uk
Almost laughable how its always the market should dictate but then a blind panic to get everyone in the office when it looks like property developers and the likes of Pret & Starbucks might lose a few quid.

We've got something here that could among other things, massively improve peoples quality of life, reduce the strain on public transport, get cars off the road & improve the environment. Companies who have implemented similar prior to the pandemic report increased productivity and staff retention. Its an absolute no brainer yet the clamour is for everyone to get back to the office.
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Nothing fucks up progress like monetary self interest...
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Sep 10, 2020
  • #31,321
chiefdave said:
Seems details of Johnson's 'Operation Moonshoot' have been leaked. Have to say it reads more like another scheme to divert money to his mates than a serious proposal to get things back to some sort of normal.

To put that into perspective that's the same as the education budget for the UK, or over half the budget for the NHS.

Already questions being raised about the reliance on the private sector and a lack of experts being involved.

Also sounds like there's going to be an app so you can show you have had a negative test. No problem there with the great track record on app development!

Covid-19: Government plans to spend £100bn on expanding testing to 10 million a day

The UK government has drawn up plans to carry out up to 10 million covid-19 tests a day by early next year as part of a huge £100bn (€110bn; $130bn) expansion of its national testing programme, documents seen by The BMJ show. The internal correspondence reveals that the government is prepared...
www.bmj.com
Lets hope they can actually pull this off because at the moment its looking like it could be the only way we're getting back to anything approaching normal anytime soon.
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It's pie in the sky. It'd be great if it were possible but logistically and financially it's a non-starter.

Add to his list of crackpot ideas like a bridge to Ireland, the Estuary airport, the garden bridge, bendibuses....
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Sep 10, 2020
  • #31,322
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
It's pie in the sky. It'd be great if it were possible but logistically and financially it's a non-starter.

Add to his list of crackpot ideas like a bridge to Ireland, the Estuary airport, the garden bridge, bendibuses....
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Yep it’s crazy that people have considered it as a possibility
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 10, 2020
  • #31,323
Check out iAbra feature on Sky news .
Moonshot not so pie in the sky maybe ..
Like I said yesterday was discussing this at the barber's before the conference yesterday how frustrating that there wasn't a a viable instant test .
They have developed a machine that will analyse the sample of saliave ( realtime ,30 second's or so .
Transit points ,mass gatherings at sport , entertainment venues could function instantly.
Adaptable for all viruses.
Measures wavelengths through AI to identify spikes on protein's etc .
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 10, 2020
  • #31,324
Couldn't this be a tool to eliminate it if rolled out widely enough ?
Maybe better than a vaccine?
 

David O'Day

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  • Sep 10, 2020
  • #31,325
There is currently no technology that can reliably test quickly for Covid-19.
 
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