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Ian1779

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  • Sep 8, 2020
  • #31,186
clint van damme said:
It's been reported that if Johnson had died of Covid Raab would have become PM.
What a fucking joke this country is becoming. One totally useless c**t replaced by an even bigger one.
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fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 8, 2020
  • #31,187
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Country is finished and boris has lost the plot
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It was finished when Boris and that crowd of tory bastards were elected in December
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,188
Ian1779 said:
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what about schools?
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,189
The advise hasn't actually changed has it? Looks like they've just changed the law to match the current guidelines at the request of the police.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,190
This is depressing.
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,191
Ring Of Steel said:
what about schools?
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Schools, weddings, funerals etc all exempt
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,192
Deleted member 5849 said:
Schools, weddings, funerals etc all exempt
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And sports activities that are Covid secure
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,193
Reports that the Oxford vaccine trials have been halted as someone taking part has fallen seriously ill. Not the news anyone wanted to wake up to.
 

Saddlebrains

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,194
Predictable but depressing.

Hospitalisations still fuck all. Thats what we have to protect. And dont start at me with the 'yea but that happens a few weeks after'.

It didnt after the pubs opened, packed beaches, V.E day etc.

Soul destroying this is
 

ajsccfc

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,195
Apparently this is the second time they've had to do so in the trial so far and is a fairly expected practice so here's hoping.

From today Warwick are operating both a track and trace for staff and students and more encouragingly, a testing centre on campus which is welcome news now people are being sent miles away for their nearest centre
 
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David O'Day

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,196
SkyBlueDom26 said:
he has lost the plot, next it will be another lockdown to finish the country off it’s an embarrassment
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So thousands more people dying is so much better.

Fuck off you sick c**t
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,197
Forgive me for being old fashioned but I remember when to be the BoE's Chief Economist you had had to understand basic economic concepts like mass unemployment is a bad thing.

Bank of England's top economist warns against furlough scheme extension

Andy Haldane says extension to job retention scheme risks delaying ‘inevitable’ shake-out of firms hit by Covid-19
www.theguardian.com
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,198
Boris is going to speak.
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,199
David O'Day said:
Forgive me for being old fashioned but I remember when to be the BoE's Chief Economist you had had to understand basic economic concepts like mass unemployment is a bad thing.
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Ah, the young - they missed the glory days of Maggie, Milton and the Phillips Curve, and when (quite incredibly now) M0 and M3 targets were headlined on the BBC news.
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,200
I've been wondering what with all the hocus pocus style communication and how people responded accordingly.
Is the going hard on the young designed to curtail their activity or boost the generational divide?
Young lad from Bolton on TV this morning accepted some of the finger pointing but made a valid point.
It's no one's fault really is it?
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,201
The communication is awful.

Young people if you are in the same place as more than 6 people you know you are evil

Everyone else if you don't want to get on public transport with hundreds of other people and go to an office with tons of other people you are killing the uk

Tory cunts
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,202
David O'Day said:
So thousands more people dying is so much better.

Fuck off you sick c**t
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Let’s not forget all the people losing their livelihoods, not being able to get treatments in hospitals and so on when the hospitalisation admissions and deaths are very low now

Shut up you stupid c**t talking shit as usual thousands more aren’t going to die
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,203
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Let’s not forget all the people losing their livelihoods, not being able to get treatments in hospitals and so on when the hospitalisation admissions and deaths are very low now

Shut up you stupid c**t talking shit as usual thousands more aren’t going to die
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No one is going to lose their livelihoods because more than 6 people are unable to meet. No Businesses have to close

What the fuck does this have to do with hospital treatments you daft c**t?

I'll listen to medical experts over you a trampy thick gimp you lives at his mums house.

Thick c**t
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,204
I'm genuinely laughing that someone is so fucking stupid they think saying that groups of more than 6 people can't meet in a social situation will have any effect on hospital treatments.

I really hope you are a wum
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,205
Saddlebrains said:
Predictable but depressing.

Hospitalisations still fuck all. Thats what we have to protect. And dont start at me with the 'yea but that happens a few weeks after'.

It didnt after the pubs opened, packed beaches, V.E day etc.

Soul destroying this is
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It does happen a few weeks after, you cannot let cases build up exponentially because eventually the bubble around the vulnerable bursts.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,206
fernandopartridge said:
It does happen a few weeks after, you cannot let cases build up exponentially because eventually the bubble around the vulnerable bursts.
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Yep that's the evidence from places like Spain and France. Cases rise in the young and seemingly stay in the young but then after a while it spreads into the rest of society.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,207
David O'Day said:
Forgive me for being old fashioned but I remember when to be the BoE's Chief Economist you had had to understand basic economic concepts like mass unemployment is a bad thing.

Bank of England's top economist warns against furlough scheme extension

Andy Haldane says extension to job retention scheme risks delaying ‘inevitable’ shake-out of firms hit by Covid-19
www.theguardian.com
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They're wedded to the economic myths like a sovereign state budget being just like a household one. Useless cunts.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,208
Here we go, blaming people again:

UK coronavirus: PM confirms 'rule of six' to apply in England from Monday; Whitty warns of rapid case rise – as it happened

‘Rule of six’ and Covid marshals to be brought in; Whitty says ‘huge’ expansion of testing needed before Covid-free passes can be introduced
www.theguardian.com

I assume you only 'need' a test if you find out your positive afterwards.
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,209
Testing!
It's not the provision that's the problem it's at the labs and a couple of contracts have gone awry.
Well er ner it's people getting tested without symptoms apparently .Up to 25% so around 50k.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,210
skybluetony176 said:
Reports that the Oxford vaccine trials have been halted as someone taking part has fallen seriously ill. Not the news anyone wanted to wake up to.
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Which is shit news but also demonstrated why you can't cut the corners with the testing procedures.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,211
fernandopartridge said:
Here we go, blaming people again:

UK coronavirus: PM confirms 'rule of six' to apply in England from Monday; Whitty warns of rapid case rise – as it happened

‘Rule of six’ and Covid marshals to be brought in; Whitty says ‘huge’ expansion of testing needed before Covid-free passes can be introduced
www.theguardian.com

I assume you only 'need' a test if you find out your positive afterwards.
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Isn’t the point of testing elimination to stop the spread?
Sounds to me like the world beating track and trace system is starting to work finally and exposed another failure in the government’s handling of this. Testing.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,212
fernandopartridge said:
Here we go, blaming people again:

UK coronavirus: PM confirms 'rule of six' to apply in England from Monday; Whitty warns of rapid case rise – as it happened

‘Rule of six’ and Covid marshals to be brought in; Whitty says ‘huge’ expansion of testing needed before Covid-free passes can be introduced
www.theguardian.com

I assume you only 'need' a test if you find out your positive afterwards.
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Would it have been ever thus?
What was the number of cases when we locked down initially fp?
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,213
wingy said:
Would it have been ever thus?
What was the number of cases when we locked down initially fp?
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2300 daily cases around 23 March albeit with I think about a quarter of testing taking place now. Pretty much all of the testing then was Pillar 1, i.e. sick people in hospital so the infection rate was clearly degrees of magnitude greater
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,214
David O'Day said:
Forgive me for being old fashioned but I remember when to be the BoE's Chief Economist you had had to understand basic economic concepts like mass unemployment is a bad thing.

Bank of England's top economist warns against furlough scheme extension

Andy Haldane says extension to job retention scheme risks delaying ‘inevitable’ shake-out of firms hit by Covid-19
www.theguardian.com
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Clearly many industries need further support & extending the furlough scheme for businesses that are not yet allowed to open or cannot function effectively due to restrictions appears to be a must. I'm thinking mainly arts, music venues, theatres, small hospitality etc.

That said, he has got a bit of a point in that there are now clearly jobs that no longer exist in reality, so to continue to pay folks a couple grand a month to sit at home doing nothing, suspended in limbo & unable to look for new employment etc is not a productive use of taxpayer cash. Its just a very expensive & unfair way of delaying the inevitable. Harsh, but true.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,215
David O'Day said:
Yep that's the evidence from places like Spain and France. Cases rise in the young and seemingly stay in the young but then after a while it spreads into the rest of society.
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Mind you I wish I didn’t keep getting asked what the point of year group bubbles was when you have siblings in different years. Or that teachers didn’t keep getting sniggers for wearing masks when we didn’t choose this bullshit
 
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David O'Day

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,216
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Clearly many industries need further support & extending the furlough scheme for businesses that are not yet allowed to open or cannot function effectively due to restrictions appears to be a must. I'm thinking mainly arts, music venues, theatres, small hospitality etc.

That said, he has got a bit of a point in that there are now clearly jobs that no longer exist in reality, so to continue to pay folks a couple grand a month to sit at home doing nothing, suspended in limbo & unable to look for new employment etc is not a productive use of taxpayer cash. Its just a very expensive & unfair way of delaying the inevitable. Harsh, but true.
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While you have no other plans in place it is economically illiterate to just accept mass unemployment. This is the same kind of thinking at turned the 1929 crash into the great depression as the demand shock to an already demand starved economy would be massive.

If you want to remove the furlough scheme you need widespread job creation schemes to be in place or the rot will spread to "good jobs" and you'll end up in a downward spiral.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,217
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
That said, he has got a bit of a point in that there are now clearly jobs that no longer exist in reality, so to continue to pay folks a couple grand a month to sit at home doing nothing, suspended in limbo & unable to look for new employment etc is not a productive use of taxpayer cash. Its just a very expensive & unfair way of delaying the inevitable. Harsh, but true.
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The furlough scheme should go on for as long as it takes to get back to normal. The government can't on the one hand impose restrictions that severely reduce business demand and on the other wash their hands of the effects of it.

There is no such thing as 'taxpayer's cash'. Tax does not fund public spending, tax drives demand for the currency.
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,218
David O'Day said:
While you have no other plans in place it is economically illiterate to just accept mass unemployment. This is the same kind of thinking at turned the 1929 crash into the great depression as the demand shock to an already demand starved economy would be massive.

If you want to remove the furlough scheme you need widespread job creation schemes to be in place or the rot will spread to "good jobs" and you'll end up in a downward spiral.
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Yep....its a tough balance to strike though, and to be fair the this fella, he hasn't just proposed they "wind it up & fuck the lot of 'em".....he has said the govt. need to move on the next stage of support.....

....what that entails is anyone guess of course.....

...We're doomed.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,219
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Yep....its a tough balance to strike though, and to be fair the this fella, he hasn't just proposed they "wind it up & fuck the lot of 'em".....he has said the govt. need to move on the next stage of support.....

....what that entails is anyone guess of course.....

...We're doomed.
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But the government are winding down the Furlough Scheme while the only job creation program they have is a watered down future job fund that is liable to just see young people used as free labour and then moved on.

Look at thefurlough schemes in other countries and look at how long they are going on for.
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Sep 9, 2020
  • #31,220
fernandopartridge said:
There is no such thing as 'taxpayer's cash'. Tax does not fund public spending, tax drives demand for the currency.
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I was framing it in terms of the neoliberal world we live in.....which unfortunately ain't gonna change any time soon.....despite the opportunities the 2008 crash, Brexit, the environmental crisis & Covid19 have afforded the citizens to try re-model the world......

...but nah....We're doomed.
 
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