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Deleted member 5849

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  • Aug 21, 2020
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chiefdave said:
Not a bad thing but why does everything need a campaign and a last minute u-turn. A lot of unnecessary stress for people who are struggling at the moment and thought the eviction process would start up next week.

The advise for landlords seems to be the same as that for homeowners. Speak to your lender and apply for a mortgage holiday.

Don't think anything was ever put in place to ensure lenders gave holidays, think you just had to follow the normal process and hope for the best. Of course most lenders allow a maximum of three months for a mortgage holiday so there's an obvious issue that doesn't seem to have been addressed.
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There's also the fact you still need to pay for maintenance, and if you've lost your job, may need the capital.
 

chiefdave

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  • Aug 21, 2020
  • #30,837
Skybluefaz said:
CV6 has potential for a local lockdown
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Across the whole of England positive tests have risen 27% in a week, despite the number of tests dropping. Hospital admission and patients on ventilators doesn't seem to be going up though which I guess is good news. No idea if that is the virus becoming 'weaker', its younger people getting infected who don't seem to be as badly affected or treatment improving.

We're only just over a week away from schools reopening which Whitty suggested would require a trade off with something else closing yet there has been no mention of that despite rising rates.
 
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  • Aug 21, 2020
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chiefdave said:
Across the whole of England positive tests have risen 27% in a week, despite the number of tests dropping. Hospital admission and patients on ventilators doesn't seem to be going up though which I guess is good news. No idea if that is the virus becoming 'weaker', its younger people getting infected who don't seem to be as badly affected or treatment improving.

We're only just over a week away from schools reopening which Whitty suggested would require a trade off with something else closing yet there has been no mention of that despite rising rates.
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It's younger people being affected, in the main.
 

Ian1779

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  • Aug 21, 2020
  • #30,839
chiefdave said:
Across the whole of England positive tests have risen 27% in a week, despite the number of tests dropping. Hospital admission and patients on ventilators doesn't seem to be going up though which I guess is good news. No idea if that is the virus becoming 'weaker', its younger people getting infected who don't seem to be as badly affected or treatment improving.

We're only just over a week away from schools reopening which Whitty suggested would require a trade off with something else closing yet there has been no mention of that despite rising rates.
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I’m here looking at the situation in Northampton where I teach wondering if they are going to go into local lockdown. The rate is much higher than Birmingham currently. There seems little in terms of potential planning if they were to do some trade-offs to ensure schools open next month.
 

Evo1883

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  • Aug 21, 2020
  • #30,840
Spoke to an ambulance driver couple days ago who said coventrys University hospital hadn't had any admissions for quite a few days... Don't know if he actually knows or not
 

chiefdave

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  • Aug 22, 2020
  • #30,841
Germany have extended their furlough scheme for 24 months. German finance minister, Olaf Scholz said “The corona crisis won’t suddenly disappear in the next few weeks. Businesses and employees need a clear signal from the government: we’ve got your back for the long haul in this crisis, so that no one is being let go without need.”

Germany to extend coronavirus furlough to 24 months

Angela Merkel backs proposal to continue Kurzarbeit part-time working scheme
www.theguardian.com
Using government figures to extend the scheme to 24 months here would cost a total of £336bn, although you would expect the monthly cost to decrease over time as more people go back to work. We spent £500bn bailing out the banks without batting an eyelid.
 
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wingy

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  • Aug 22, 2020
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The argument that numbers are rising due to the increase in testing seems to be being made more.
 
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wingy

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  • Aug 22, 2020
  • #30,843
Meanwhile.

'Don’t fear second wave - virus is getting less angry' says medic

The intensive care consultant, who works at University Hospitals Birmingham NHS Foundation Trust hospitals, says poorly patients are not increasing despite rise in infections
www.birminghammail.co.uk
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Plus some restrictions introduced in Birmingham.
 
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xcraigx

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  • Aug 22, 2020
  • #30,844
wingy said:
The argument that numbers are rising due to the increase in testing seems to be being made more.
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Yes, I've been hearing this a bit recently. I suppose it depends on the timescales being used. Testing has noticeably risen compared to say June and July but the amount of testing has been very similar throughout all of August so I'm not sure that's actually correct. We are seeing a slight increase in cases.
 
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  • Aug 22, 2020
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xcraigx said:
Yes, I've been hearing this a bit recently. I suppose it depends on the timescales being used. Testing has noticeably risen compared to say June and July but the amount of testing has been very similar throughout all of August so I'm not sure that's actually correct. We are seeing a slight increase in cases.
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tbh as people socialise more, it's inevitable cases rise - that surely can't be argued!

It's whether they rise too much or not. atm, it's looking ominous. it had better hold off for a while yet though, don't want to be cancelling my sodding wedding *again*!
 
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wingy

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  • Aug 22, 2020
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Deleted member 5849 said:
tbh as people socialise more, it's inevitable cases rise - that surely can't be argued!

It's whether they rise too much or not. atm, it's looking ominous. it had better hold off for a while yet though, don't want to be cancelling my sodding wedding *again*!
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Come on .
Time to jump over that broomstick.
Good luck.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Aug 22, 2020
  • #30,847
Deleted member 5849 said:
tbh as people socialise more, it's inevitable cases rise - that surely can't be argued!

It's whether they rise too much or not. atm, it's looking ominous. it had better hold off for a while yet though, don't want to be cancelling my sodding wedding *again*!
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I agree it's looking a bit ominous but I am pleased that deaths/hospital admissions are staying low, suggesting the virus might be becoming less lethal and we can afford to loosen up a bit.

Still wary on how it might be in the colder months when flu etc goes around and how the two together could cause problems for people, or indeed how flu may be with those that have had and recovered from Covid, esp those that had it quite severely and may have suffered lung damage from it. Also even with a weakened strain the effect it may have on older and more vulnerable people during a time of the year when the immune system is more compromised.
 
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  • Aug 22, 2020
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
suggesting the virus might be becoming less lethal and we can afford to loosen up a bit.
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That tallies, though, with the things being loosened up being the things people younger are able to cope with more (pubs etc.). now that's fine... but what we don't want, is them then spreading it elsewhere and having collatoral damage.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Still wary on how it might be in the colder months when flu etc goes around and how the two together could cause problems for people, or indeed how flu may be with those that have had and recovered from Covid, esp those that had it quite severely and may have suffered lung damage from it. Also even with a weakened strain the effect it may have on older and more vulnerable people during a time of the year when the immune system is more compromised.
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The test will be come late September onwards, really. If that's still looking good, happy days. if not, we need to row back, and fast.
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • Aug 22, 2020
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chiefdave said:
Germany have extended their furlough scheme for 24 months. German finance minister, Olaf Scholz said “The corona crisis won’t suddenly disappear in the next few weeks. Businesses and employees need a clear signal from the government: we’ve got your back for the long haul in this crisis, so that no one is being let go without need.”

Germany to extend coronavirus furlough to 24 months

Angela Merkel backs proposal to continue Kurzarbeit part-time working scheme
www.theguardian.com
Using government figures to extend the scheme to 24 months here would cost a total of £336bn, although you would expect the monthly cost to decrease over time as more people go back to work. We spent £500bn bailing out the banks without batting an eyelid.
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But we all pay for it, either in terms of reduced services, higher taxes, lower wages. I can't expect people's hearts to bleed for me but in the civil service we've taken a real terms 20% pay and pension cut over the last 8 years.
 
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wingy

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  • Aug 22, 2020
  • #30,850
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I agree it's looking a bit ominous but I am pleased that deaths/hospital admissions are staying low, suggesting the virus might be becoming less lethal and we can afford to loosen up a bit.

Still wary on how it might be in the colder months when flu etc goes around and how the two together could cause problems for people, or indeed how flu may be with those that have had and recovered from Covid, esp those that had it quite severely and may have suffered lung damage from it. Also even with a weakened strain the effect it may have on older and more vulnerable people during a time of the year when the immune system is more compromised.
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Haven't had a flu vaccination invite yet.
 

chiefdave

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  • Aug 22, 2020
  • #30,851
dubed said:
But we all pay for it, either in terms of reduced services, higher taxes, lower wages. I can't expect people's hearts to bleed for me but in the civil service we've taken a real terms 20% pay and pension cut over the last 8 years.
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It's the same everywhere. I'm private sector and have had one pay increase since 2008! Equates to a 22% pay cut over that time.

Guess the argument is paying out for furlough is better for the economy than having millions unemployed. I've looked at my situation and if I don't go back to work before the furlough scheme ends what I'd be entitled to wouldn't even cover my mortgage. I'd be completely screwed and there will be millions in the same position.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Aug 22, 2020
  • #30,852
wingy said:
Haven't had a flu vaccination invite yet.
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You can book them online for Lloyds Chemists and they don't charge you if you meet the NHS criteria.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Aug 22, 2020
  • #30,853
Deleted member 5849 said:
That tallies, though, with the things being loosened up being the things people younger are able to cope with more (pubs etc.). now that's fine... but what we don't want, is them then spreading it elsewhere and having collatoral damage.



The test will be come late September onwards, really. If that's still looking good, happy days. if not, we need to row back, and fast.
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2/3 weeks into the new school term we will learn a lot about how kids contribute to the virus spreading. I am crossing everything to hope it’s not an issue but I am ominous about it.
 
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  • Aug 22, 2020
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Ian1779 said:
2/3 weeks into the new school term we will learn a lot about how kids contribute to the virus spreading. I am crossing everything to hope it’s not an issue but I am ominous about it.
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Think it might take a bit longer to kick in tbh but yeah, big tests ahead!
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Aug 22, 2020
  • #30,855
Ian1779 said:
2/3 weeks into the new school term we will learn a lot about how kids contribute to the virus spreading. I am crossing everything to hope it’s not an issue but I am ominous about it.
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Will teachers etc being getting tested much?
 

Ian1779

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  • Aug 22, 2020
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Will teachers etc being getting tested much?
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No idea to be honest - we’ve not been told anything about this from either school or union. There was talk a couple of weeks ago about weekly/fortnightly tests but nothing has come through further on that.

I do want the schools back open, but there are a few simple things that could go in place to support this such as temp checks at start of school, masks for adults when kids at lunch/break. Little things that could go a long way to reduce inevitable spread in schools.

Lets see what comes through this week.....
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • Aug 22, 2020
  • #30,857

'Coronavirus getting less angry' says Mids doctor

Dr Ron Daniels is an intensivist based at Good Hope Hospital
www.coventrytelegraph.net



Adding more fuel to the fire. It's not what it was
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Aug 24, 2020
  • #30,858
Saddlebrains said:

'Coronavirus getting less angry' says Mids doctor

Dr Ron Daniels is an intensivist based at Good Hope Hospital
www.coventrytelegraph.net



Adding more fuel to the fire. It's not what it was
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Florida in the USA was saying this mid summer, cases were up with no hospitalisation and few deaths, it was only cos the average age of those infected was much lower. Eventually it started to spread to the more vulnerable and the hospitals filled up and deaths went up.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Aug 24, 2020
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Coronavirus: Staff and pupils test positive in Dundee school outbreak

All staff and students have been told to self-isolate, while contact tracing has identified further cases.
news.sky.com
 

chiefdave

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  • Aug 24, 2020
  • #30,860
David O'Day said:

Coronavirus: Staff and pupils test positive in Dundee school outbreak

All staff and students have been told to self-isolate, while contact tracing has identified further cases.
news.sky.com
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Haven't got kids but if I did having seen how many issues there have been in a week of schools being open in Scotland and listened to how carefully Harries was choosing her words this morning talking about "the risk to the child themselves" there's no way I'd be sending them back. Not to mention the huge difference between the preparations to make schools safe in other countries compared to here where virtually nothing seems to have been done.
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Aug 24, 2020
  • #30,861
chiefdave said:
Haven't got kids but if I did having seen how many issues there have been in a week of schools being open in Scotland and listened to how carefully Harries was choosing her words this morning talking about "the risk to the child themselves" there's no way I'd be sending them back. Not to mention the huge difference between the preparations to make schools safe in other countries compared to here where virtually nothing seems to have been done.
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But what about childrens education? They've been off for 6 months. Im not slating your opinion btw i just feel we have to have schools back. Any more time away from education and friends and we will have a generation of mental illness through the roof
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 24, 2020
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Saddlebrains said:
But what about childrens education? They've been off for 6 months. Im not slating your opinion btw i just feel we have to have schools back. Any more time away from education and friends and we will have a generation of mental illness through the roof
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Happy it has to happen but we need a clear plan that everyone follows when infections start to happen
 
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wingy

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  • Aug 24, 2020
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What about shielding parents?.
 
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wingy

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  • Aug 24, 2020
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How are they meant to get there
Bus/Coach companies making redundancies and administrations.
 

chiefdave

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  • Aug 24, 2020
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Saddlebrains said:
But what about childrens education? They've been off for 6 months. Im not slating your opinion btw i just feel we have to have schools back. Any more time away from education and friends and we will have a generation of mental illness through the roof
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Personally I don't have any confidence that the government has properly examined the evidence and carefully considered the balance between education requirements, mental health and the risk of spreading the virus. Maybe someone who works in education will post and tell us of measures being put in place to ensure safety and a plan to deal with any outbreaks.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 24, 2020
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chiefdave said:
Personally I don't have any confidence that the government has properly examined the evidence and carefully considered the balance between education requirements, mental health and the risk of spreading the virus. Maybe someone who works in education will post and tell us of measures being put in place to ensure safety and a plan to deal with any outbreaks.
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That’s very unlikely isn’t it
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 24, 2020
  • #30,867
chiefdave said:
Personally I don't have any confidence that the government has properly examined the evidence and carefully considered the balance between education requirements, mental health and the risk of spreading the virus. Maybe someone who works in education will post and tell us of measures being put in place to ensure safety and a plan to deal with any outbreaks.
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Each class stays in the same room all day with teachers moving between them. I am not allowed to go beyond a designated area at the front of the room and if I want to hand anything out it has to be done from the front going back. Practicals can only be done sparingly as the lab must be deep cleaned after use which in effect means that practicals are off the cards for the most part. Homework is being set online to minimise contact with students books and work.

Lunch and break are at staggered times so that students and teachers can have their packed lunches in designated areas. Additional duties are in place for teachers to make sure year groups remain in their bubbles. If a student presents Covid symptoms in a lesson they have to go to reception immediately and if students are absent due to Covid I have to record myself on a headset.

In essence it is minimal disruption for the kids and maximum for the staff.
 
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dutchman

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  • Aug 24, 2020
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Saddlebrains said:
But what about childrens education? They've been off for 6 months. Im not slating your opinion btw i just feel we have to have schools back. Any more time away from education and friends and we will have a generation of mental illness through the roof
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The government doesn't care about any of that, they just want the parents back at work and paying taxes.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 24, 2020
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Saddlebrains said:
But what about childrens education? They've been off for 6 months. Im not slating your opinion btw i just feel we have to have schools back. Any more time away from education and friends and we will have a generation of mental illness through the roof
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My personal view is that either everyone should go back to school without bubbles or distancing, or it should all continue remotely. The halfway house measures are just unworkable
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • Aug 24, 2020
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
My personal view is that either everyone should go back to school without bubbles or distancing, or it should all continue remotely. The halfway house measures are just unworkable
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I would agree with that. But i would go further and say we do that for everything. Lock it down or crack on.I will get abuse for that im sure
 
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