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David O'Day

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  • Aug 6, 2020
  • #30,346
Deleted member 5849 said:
Coventry's definitely going the wrong way for cases, and quite fast.
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It's gone from what was a strangely low rate of infection to what seems to be a more normal rate of infection of a place like Coventry.

As I said we still as per the as the last full weekly figures have a quarter of the per capita rate that some of the "areas of concern have"
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Aug 6, 2020
  • #30,347
David O'Day said:
It's gone from what was a strangely low rate of infection to what seems to be a more normal rate of infection of a place like Coventry.

As I said we still as per the as the last full weekly figures have a quarter of the per capita rate that some of the "areas of concern have"
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It's trends that are worth watching though, not absolute numbers.
 

David O'Day

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  • Aug 6, 2020
  • #30,348
Deleted member 5849 said:
It's trends that are worth watching though, not absolute numbers.
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But the trend has been what seems to be too low before.

The absolute number of cases per 100k is worth watching as this is what they are working on.

Rightly or wrongly the "new normal" is going to include an increased number of community cases until we develop a vaccine
 

David O'Day

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  • Aug 6, 2020
  • #30,349

Coronavirus: Safety concerns halt use of 50 million NHS masks

Millions of respirators will not be used by health workers because they may not fit adequately.
www.bbc.co.uk
 

skybluetony176

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  • Aug 6, 2020
  • #30,350
David O'Day said:

Coronavirus: Safety concerns halt use of 50 million NHS masks

Millions of respirators will not be used by health workers because they may not fit adequately.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Jobs for the boys again.

How Ayanda Capital landed the contract to procure PPE

The biggest PPE contract was awarded to an obscure company with no history in the sector: Ayanda Capital.
www.thetimes.co.uk
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 6, 2020
  • #30,351
skybluetony176 said:
Jobs for the boys again.

How Ayanda Capital landed the contract to procure PPE

The biggest PPE contract was awarded to an obscure company with no history in the sector: Ayanda Capital.
www.thetimes.co.uk
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that Ayanda thing is a disgrace. It's criminal, but fuck all will be done about it.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Aug 6, 2020
  • #30,352
David O'Day said:

Coronavirus: Safety concerns halt use of 50 million NHS masks

Millions of respirators will not be used by health workers because they may not fit adequately.
www.bbc.co.uk
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This is why ministerial control of anything is a terrible, terrible idea. When Boris Johnson talks about wanting to take control of the NHS I shudder....

 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 6, 2020
  • #30,353
Anybody think the numbers in the press about Tesco at the Ricoh are actually accurate?
 
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wingy

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  • Aug 6, 2020
  • #30,354
fernandopartridge said:
This is why ministerial control of anything is a terrible, terrible idea. When Boris Johnson talks about wanting to take control of the NHS I shudder....

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Thought it should have been FFP 3 for medical settings?
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Aug 6, 2020
  • #30,355
wingy said:
Thought it should have been FFP 3 for medical settings?
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Well that was the other issue - they said that FFP2 were allowed due to a lack of FFP3s. Good risk management there, eh? The issue with FFP3 is that they are more likely to have a one-way valve, which completely negates one of their purposes: to stop infectious people from blowing their germs all over the patient!
 
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wingy

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  • Aug 6, 2020
  • #30,356
So my work FFP2 are legit then?
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Aug 6, 2020
  • #30,357
For what purpose?
 

RegTheDonk

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  • Aug 6, 2020
  • #30,358
chiefdave said:
A positive story for a change. Drayton Manor has been saved. Was on the brink of collapse and obviously has been hit hard by being shut for months as covid hit right after they had sorted the damage from Storm Dennis which had forced them to shut.

Been taken over by Looping Group and all existing management and staff will be retained. They own 15 parks around Europe, including West Midlands Safari Park which they purchased in Jan 2019.

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Didn't realise they were in the poo but pleased there is a way out, fond memories. These days its' fenced off and they've got their own hotel lol, but we used to camp there for a cheap holiday when the kids were young. In those days, you pay for a pitch and you didn't have to pay to enter the park.
 

David O'Day

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  • Aug 6, 2020
  • #30,359
Track and trace close contacts reached has gone down again
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Aug 6, 2020
  • #30,360
David O'Day said:
Track and trace close contacts reached has gone down again
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They're probably all on holiday somewhere!
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Aug 6, 2020
  • #30,361



Mental.
 
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wingy

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  • Aug 6, 2020
  • #30,362
OffenhamSkyBlue said:
For what purpose?
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Popping into the local convenience shop where no one else is bothering when I've popped in.
 

Johnnythespider

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  • Aug 6, 2020
  • #30,363
wingy said:
Popping into the local convenience shop where no one else is bothering when I've popped in.
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Has anybody been fined for not wearing one yet, I've not seen anything even though I've seen plenty flouting the rule.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 6, 2020
  • #30,364
Johnnythespider said:
Has anybody been fined for not wearing one yet, I've not seen anything even though I've seen plenty flouting the rule.
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Very much doubt it.
 

dutchman

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  • Aug 6, 2020
  • #30,365
wingy said:
Popping into the local convenience shop where no one else is bothering when I've popped in.
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Likewise the local chip shop. Hardly anyone taking any notice of the warning signs on display.
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Aug 6, 2020
  • #30,366
wingy said:
Popping into the local convenience shop where no one else is bothering when I've popped in.
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Absolutely - i thought you meant for work purposes, which might not be the same thing. You can cover your face with any old sock to comply with the coronavirus control measures - your FFP2 will set you streets ahead of most other people (provided you don't wear it on your forehead or your neck!).
I've not heard of anyone being fined for not wearing one - most shops have been encouraged not to challenge, and to assume that people not wearing one has a valid exemption.
If you are wearing an FFP2/3 for work purposes (i.e. controlling an inhalable hazardous material) you have to have a face-fit test, but that don't matter with coronavirus as no other face covering is intended to form a tight seal to the face like that needed for genuine respiratory protection, so it's all a bit pointless really (hence my negative stance towards the whole facemask issue that you may have seen elsewhere).

Followed a woman into Lidl the other day - she remembered she didn't have a mask, so just grabbed the collar of her t-shirt and pulled it up over her face. And THAT, my friends, is compliant!
Also got a nice flash of her tits )
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Aug 6, 2020
  • #30,367
dutchman said:
Likewise the local chip shop. Hardly anyone taking any notice of the warning signs on display.
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People seem to be pretty compliant where i am, i must say, other than one berk in Pets at Home who wasn't wearing one (not my problem - he may be asthmatic for all i know), but rubbed his nose with his thumb and forefinger, then reached down and picked some product up, looked at it, then put it back down. THAT is the risk, as are people not wearing the mask properly (e.g not covering the nose), or people repeatedly taking their mask on and off as they walk down the High Street, potentially contaminating their hands before handling stuff that someone else might then touch.
Please guys - 2m is a better control measure - stick to that.
 
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Johnnythespider

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  • Aug 6, 2020
  • #30,368
OffenhamSkyBlue said:
Absolutely - i thought you meant for work purposes, which might not be the same thing. You can cover your face with any old sock to comply with the coronavirus control measures - your FFP2 will set you streets ahead of most other people (provided you don't wear it on your forehead or your neck!).
I've not heard of anyone being fined for not wearing one - most shops have been encouraged not to challenge, and to assume that people not wearing one has a valid exemption.
If you are wearing an FFP2/3 for work purposes (i.e. controlling an inhalable hazardous material) you have to have a face-fit test, but that don't matter with coronavirus as no other face covering is intended to form a tight seal to the face like that needed for genuine respiratory protection, so it's all a bit pointless really (hence my negative stance towards the whole facemask issue that you may have seen elsewhere).

Followed a woman into Lidl the other day - she remembered she didn't have a mask, so just grabbed the collar of her t-shirt and pulled it up over her face. And THAT, my friends, is compliant!
Also got a nice flash of her tits )
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Were you going to Lidl, or just following her around hoping for a flash
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Aug 6, 2020
  • #30,369
OffenhamSkyBlue said:
People seem to be pretty compliant where i am, i must say, other than one berk in Pets at Home who wasn't wearing one (not my problem - he may be asthmatic for all i know), but rubbed his nose with his thumb and forefinger, then reached down and picked some product up, looked at it, then put it back down. THAT is the risk, as are people not wearing the mask properly (e.g not covering the nose), or people repeatedly taking their mask on and off as they walk down the High Street, potentially contaminating their hands before handling stuff that someone else might then touch.
Please guys - 2m is a better control measure - stick to that.
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That's been the problem with the messaging, it's presented as do this or this, not do this and this.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Aug 6, 2020
  • #30,370
Nearly back at the 1k case mark, 950 today.

Though apparently:

 

David O'Day

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  • Aug 6, 2020
  • #30,371

Bank of England boss Bailey backs end of furlough scheme

UK economy is still set for worst performance in 100 years according to the UK's central bank.
www.bbc.co.uk

You would of hoped the chairman of the BoE would understand basic macroeconomics.

End the furlough scheme on a set date and you create mass unemployment which leads to a reduction in demand which then leads to more job losses. This leads to another reduction in demand and thus more job losses and the circle of recession/depression begins.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Aug 6, 2020
  • #30,372
David O'Day said:

Bank of England boss Bailey backs end of furlough scheme

UK economy is still set for worst performance in 100 years according to the UK's central bank.
www.bbc.co.uk

You would of hoped the chairman of the BoE would understand basic macroeconomics.

End the furlough scheme on a set date and you create mass unemployment which leads to a reduction in demand which then leads to more job losses. This leads to another reduction in demand and thus more job losses and the circle of recession/depression begins.
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Although independent don't be amazed if he's been told to agree with the govt or be out of the job.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Aug 6, 2020
  • #30,373
fernandopartridge said:
Nearly back at the 1k case mark, 950 today.

Though apparently:

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Good post mate. I don’t know if the analysis is correct (presume so) but assumed for a while that increased and targeted localised testing would obviously lead to higher confirmed cases. If it shoots up to 2-3k like Spain it’s showing a real (more concerning) increase. Hospital admissions also still a tiny fraction of what they were (80-100 per day compared to 3-4K at peak) again a sign that more people are getting tested many of whom only have minor/minimal symptoms. Hopefully it stays that way.

If only the media readily provided more of this information !!!
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Aug 6, 2020
  • #30,374
CCFCSteve said:
Good post mate. I don’t know if the analysis is correct (presume so) but assumed for a while that increased and targeted localised testing would obviously lead to higher confirmed cases. If it shoots up to 2-3k like Spain it’s showing a real (more concerning) increase. Hospital admissions also still a tiny fraction of what they were (80-100 per day compared to 3-4K at peak) again a sign that more people are getting tested many of whom only have minor/minimal symptoms. Hopefully it stays that way.

If only the media readily provided more of this information !!!
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Yeah, it'd be interesting to know what the confidence factor is in the cases by specimen date, I.e how many days on average until the case numbers that day are 95% accurate. There should be enough data now to give reasonable projections on this sort of thing.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Aug 6, 2020
  • #30,375
fernandopartridge said:
Yeah, it'd be interesting to know what the confidence factor is in the cases by specimen date, I.e how many days on average until the case numbers that day are 95% accurate. There should be enough data now to give reasonable projections on this sort of thing.
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Agreed. Don’t get me wrong, of course there will be an increase in cases after relaxing measures it’s the size/speed of the (real) increase that we want to know and the severity of those cases
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Aug 6, 2020
  • #30,376
fernandopartridge said:
Yeah, it'd be interesting to know what the confidence factor is in the cases by specimen date, I.e how many days on average until the case numbers that day are 95% accurate. There should be enough data now to give reasonable projections on this sort of thing.
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It's worth taking a look at the Office for National Statistics data, which work on the daily death rate by date of death (if you get my drift), rather than date of reporting, which the badly-flawed PHE data quote.
There were only 5 deaths in hospitals in England yesterday. How many from cancer, heart disease, suicides, car accidents, etc? I know we still have to be extremely careful to prevent it taking hold again, but these figures are now way below everyday deaths.
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Aug 6, 2020
  • #30,377
This guy is a great follow on Twitter ... oncology prof at Brum medical school, and very analytical/critical of any negativity in media analysis of the data.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Aug 6, 2020
  • #30,378
OffenhamSkyBlue said:
This guy is a great follow on Twitter ... oncology prof at Brum medical school, and very analytical/critical of any negativity in media analysis of the data.
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I'm not sure about him, I think he's very selective with his presentation even if he's sometimes broadly right
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Aug 6, 2020
  • #30,379
Karol Sikora is also very critical of the impact of the pandemic on cancer care. He estimates that there may be in excess of two million people in the UK who have not been able to access proper cancer treatment or even go to their GP with lumps, etc., since corona reared its ugly, spiky little head.
Luckily my wife's consultant has managed to get her a CT scan tomorrow at the Cobalt Centre in Cheltenham, which is a charity specialising in cancer imaging, and mops up a lot of the NHS surplus.
You lot supported me a lot last year around the time of her op (thanks again, by the way) - this is her one year follow-up scan, so fingers crossed.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Aug 6, 2020
  • #30,380
OffenhamSkyBlue said:
It's worth taking a look at the Office for National Statistics data, which work on the daily death rate by date of death (if you get my drift), rather than date of reporting, which the badly-flawed PHE data quote.
There were only 5 deaths in hospitals in England yesterday. How many from cancer, heart disease, suicides, car accidents, etc? I know we still have to be extremely careful to prevent it taking hold again, but these figures are now way below everyday deaths.
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The numbers on ventilators and in hospital continue to fall so I'm expecting that the number of deaths in hospital will continue to fall too. The increase post pubs reopening hasn't been huge all things considered.
 
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