Well we still don't have any new cases, with the hard lockdown and people actually obeying the rules it has worked here. In Fuerteventura they are having daily cases but only from refugees coming over on their small dingys.Fran e almost 1000
Spain increasing
Germany over 400
I’m sure saddle and Dom can sort this out with a supply of Johnson’s optimism
And this is my own personal quandary and why I won’t be flying anywhere anytime soon.For the above. Surely they are fully expecting the virus to hit as soon as tourists are allowed there?
They are doing lots of checks, we have had 2 flights from Madrid with people with the virus, before they got of the plane they were waiting for them (track and trace when it works). With general tourism we know some will slip through, your relying on people being honest but that is why the hard line on masks etc.For the above. Surely they are fully expecting the virus to hit as soon as tourists are allowed there?
I get that, but to be honest if you think your clear we NEED you. Without you tourists most places won't be here next year so you will have the beach and your hotel and the few places that survive charging you a fortune for a beer or food.And this is my own personal quandary and why I won’t be flying anywhere anytime soon.
Imagine being, unwittingly, responsible for reinfecting a place that had worked so hard to get rid of the virus just because you want a cheap pint and a bit of sun?
Fran e almost 1000
Spain increasing
Germany over 400
I’m sure saddle and Dom can sort this out with a supply of Johnson’s optimism
Im not even a tory. Explained before, there is good news and scientific progress, but this board wants to just focus on the daily mail scaremongering.
At the end of the day, even countries who had hard lockdowns, eg Australia are still getting cases. This isn't going away. We have to find a way to carry on with life best we can and live with it. Otherwise we're fucked for decades not just a year or 2
I get that, but to be honest if you think your clear we NEED you. Without you tourists most places won't be here next year so you will have the beach and your hotel and the few places that survive charging you a fortune for a beer or food.
Australia has had 8,000 cases and just over 100 deaths.
I'm not sure why you keep comparing us to countries who have handled this successfully.
Finding a way to carry on when you've had just over 100 deaths is a different proposition to when you've had over 40,000.
Collectively we’d have to have the common sense to vote them in in the first place. I’m not optimistic.imagine if we were governed by people with principles
Coronavirus: New Zealand's health minister resigns after series of COVID-19 lockdown blunders
Is this going away, wherever you are in the world yes or no? The government have fucked it up. Its done, its happened. Now we either cower at home and completely bankrupt the country (if it isnt already) or we crack on best we can, maintain social distancing, protect the vulnerable etc.
Its been a clusterfuck. But it's what it is now. Moaning about how much Boris and co have got this wrong isnt going to get rid of the virus is it?
We will have to live with this virus the world over. Thats a fact. Its how we do that whilst saving as many lives as possible, but also not allowing the country to completely crash and burn. Its down to people to deal with this properly, not the plebs on government
Well shielding is removed, and those people will be expected to go to work as normal.... Its done, its happened. Now we either cower at home and completely bankrupt the country (if it isnt already) or we crack on best we can, maintain social distancing, protect the vulnerable etc
Is this going away, wherever you are in the world yes or no? The government have fucked it up. Its done, its happened. Now we either cower at home and completely bankrupt the country (if it isnt already) or we crack on best we can, maintain social distancing, protect the vulnerable etc.
Its been a clusterfuck. But it's what it is now. Moaning about how much Boris and co have got this wrong isnt going to get rid of the virus is it?
We will have to live with this virus the world over. Thats a fact. Its how we do that whilst saving as many lives as possible, but also not allowing the country to completely crash and burn. Its down to people to deal with this properly, not the plebs on government
We do - but countries are living with this when they have minimal infections and no deaths. We are trying to live with it when we have 100 deaths a day. Does that not ring enormous alarm bells??
you're wrong, it is down to to government.
Look an the example of a country that's handled it well, New Zealand, health minister breaks lock down, he resigns. What happens here?
Pubs opening tomorrow, a political decision, taken when we were at level 4, not 3 or transitioning between the two. Madness.
I really feel that this is going to escalate now the pubs are open, I hope I'm wrong, but if it does do you not think that's going to have an adverse affect on the economy and the NHS?
Well this has been done to death about how many deaths a day are there. I posted myself a while back regarding a friends grandmother who was down as covid with no test but had terminal lung cancer. Just another 'statistic' ( btw that death certificate has now been changed to cancer) .
I see everyones point. A lot of what is said is hard to argue with. But again, until im blue in the face, do not believe everything written
For example there are zero Covid patients in UHCW. 0. NIL. Square root of fuck all.
But thats not been in the telegraph. Not been on social media. Because it doesnt sell or worry the masses. I know im sounding like a hippy here and im far from it, just wish people could balance it out.
It's been a shit few months. But we seem to be, rightly or wrongly, getting back on track.
I agree to an extent. I do feel its too early. But what im getting at is what we gonna do about it? You would think people would stay in ( i will be) but it just wont happen. This is the kind of thing i mean by the government ballsing up and us doing what we can.
But on the flipside of this, we're seeing this thing peter out into a timid version of what it was. This is what people have to balance
I agree to an extent. I do feel its too early. But what im getting at is what we gonna do about it? You would think people would stay in ( i will be) but it just wont happen. This is the kind of thing i mean by the government ballsing up and us doing what we can.
But on the flipside of this, we're seeing this thing peter out into a timid version of what it was. This is what people have to balance
I agree to an extent. I do feel its too early. But what im getting at is what we gonna do about it? You would think people would stay in ( i will be) but it just wont happen. This is the kind of thing i mean by the government ballsing up and us doing what we can.
But on the flipside of this, we're seeing this thing peter out into a timid version of what it was. This is what people have to balance
What makes you say it petering out?
Numerous doctors across Europe, and the UK saying patients that present to hospitals having much milder symptoms, e.g not needing to be put into ITU instantly, or being hypoxic with dangerously low oxygen levels. One Italian doctor who was in ground zero in Lombardy during March called it something like going from a lion to a pussycat. Something along them lines, but will try and find the link
Cheers. My concern is from what I’ve read that it’s about viral load when you catch it and we’ve just reduced the viral load with lockdown measures but it’s there ready to flare up again. I’ve seen no evidence of mutation to a new strain that’s less dangerous for example. Of course medical knowledge isn’t static and we should be able to treat much better now.
Am I right in thinking the antibody test can definitely tell you that you've had it but it can't necessarily tell you that you definitely haven't? My sister was randomly selected by her GP to have one and it came back negative but 99.9% sure she had it in March.
Am I right in thinking the antibody test can definitely tell you that you've had it but it can't necessarily tell you that you definitely haven't? My sister was randomly selected by her GP to have one and it came back negative but 99.9% sure she had it in March.
Is this going away, wherever you are in the world yes or no? The government have fucked it up. Its done, its happened. Now we either cower at home and completely bankrupt the country (if it isnt already) or we crack on best we can, maintain social distancing, protect the vulnerable etc.
Its been a clusterfuck. But it's what it is now. Moaning about how much Boris and co have got this wrong isnt going to get rid of the virus is it?
We will have to live with this virus the world over. Thats a fact. Its how we do that whilst saving as many lives as possible, but also not allowing the country to completely crash and burn. Its down to people to deal with this properly, not the plebs on government
Explain to me how a sovereign currency issuer can go bankrupt.
I really don’t think that’s accurate saddle. So unlikely to be nil cases with positive testWell this has been done to death about how many deaths a day are there. I posted myself a while back regarding a friends grandmother who was down as covid with no test but had terminal lung cancer. Just another 'statistic' ( btw that death certificate has now been changed to cancer) .
I see everyones point. A lot of what is said is hard to argue with. But again, until im blue in the face, do not believe everything written
For example there are zero Covid patients in UHCW. 0. NIL. Square root of fuck all.
But thats not been in the telegraph. Not been on social media. Because it doesnt sell or worry the masses. I know im sounding like a hippy here and im far from it, just wish people could balance it out.
It's been a shit few months. But we seem to be, rightly or wrongly, getting back on track.
Well this has been done to death about how many deaths a day are there. I posted myself a while back regarding a friends grandmother who was down as covid with no test but had terminal lung cancer. Just another 'statistic' ( btw that death certificate has now been changed to cancer) .
I see everyones point. A lot of what is said is hard to argue with. But again, until im blue in the face, do not believe everything written
For example there are zero Covid patients in UHCW. 0. NIL. Square root of fuck all.
But thats not been in the telegraph. Not been on social media. Because it doesnt sell or worry the masses. I know im sounding like a hippy here and im far from it, just wish people could balance it out.
It's been a shit few months. But we seem to be, rightly or wrongly, getting back on track.
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