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Ring Of Steel

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,926
David O'Day said:
I think he just isn't cutout for this

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David O'Day

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,927
SkyBlueCharlie9 said:
Just listening to Prime Ministers Questions at this crucial time. The local Tory MP for Clywd asked whether the Prime Minister could congratulate the Llangollen Steam Railway for their efforts at this difficult time. Unbelievable that this precious PQT is not being used effectively to scrutinise Boris and his cabinet.
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The worst ones are can the pm congratulate himself on the job he has done

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David O'Day

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,928
Ring Of Steel said:

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But but that's the "excellent" Dan Hodges!

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skybluetony176

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,929
Ring Of Steel said:

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Ahh. The “excellent Dan Hodges”.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,930
Liquid Gold said:
Turf Parliament out to MK or somewhere. Give it a semicircular chamber and turn the palace into a museum of democracy and the British state.
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Stick it in Cov, Friargate would work perfectly.
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,931
skybluetony176 said:
Ahh. The “excellent Dan Hodges”.
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I guess it just goes to show how much they have to protect Boris by constantly jeering, booing & acting like boorish chavs when the place is full and someone is trying to question him.
 
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David O'Day

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,932
fernandopartridge said:
Stick it in Cov, Friargate would work perfectly.
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Yeah but I then have the chance of running into Gove or Raab on the way to work


Where's dom to tell us how well Boris did
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fernandopartridge

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,933
I'm not sold on Starmer but you can certainly see his bar training on display (I know he's not unique as an MP in having had said training but he is a QC)
 
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stupot07

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,934
PVA said:
Oh dear.

More lies.

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How can it be right for PM to outright lie on public record in the commons?

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Grendel

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,935
Ring Of Steel said:
I made an effort to watch some...

It is ultimately irrelevant as there are years to go before an election, but Boris is being methodically dismantled, does he just not care or something as he knows its ages before the next election?
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It’s an irrelevance full stop - it’s viewed by a handful of wierdos normally on the Parliament channel. As I’ve said Hague was a million times better than Starmer and had Blair on the run - it was a total mismatch - as it was on polling day the other way round

The unfortunate thing for Starmer is not only is it early but no one is engaged at all now anyway and so any bounce is nullified by the crises

Johnson isn’t a conviction politician and regardless of this and any other events I suspect will call it a day before the next election and a successor will benefit from a bounce

Labour have zero chance of an actual working majority in parliament unless the SNP vote collapses - this is not impossible as I suspect dear old Nicola is secretly hoping either the virus lasts for a few more years or a certain ex leader gets it
 
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PVA

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,936
stupot07 said:
How can it be right for PM to outright lie on public record in the commons?

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It's not, but it'll get brushed under the carpet like always.

Not many people actually follow it as closely as we do, so we know what goes on but the Boris fanboys like Dom who just read what they want to read in the Daily Mail and on Facebook don't know about these constant lies.
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,937
Grendel said:
It’s an irrelevance full stop - it’s viewed by a handful of wierdos normally on the Parliament channel. As I’ve said Hague was a million times better than Starmer and had Blair on the run - it was a total mismatch - as it was on polling day the other way round

The unfortunate thing for Starmer is not only is it early but no one is engaged at all now anyway and so any bounce is nullified by the crises

Johnson isn’t a conviction politician and regardless of this and any other events I suspect will call it a day before the next election and a successor will benefit from a bounce

Labour have zero chance of an actual working majority in parliament unless the SNP vote collapses - this is not impossible as I suspect dear old Nicola is secretly hoping either the virus lasts for a few more years or a certain ex leader gets it
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You have way more insight than me on the specific politics and I make no pretence of knowing all the detail & history etc

However its obvious that bearing in mind Johnson the man, the person, what has happened and the way he operates, he'll stand down at some point- I would suspect once he's "delivered brexit" and he can put it in his CV and head off into the sunset with the adoration that he seemingly craves so much. I can't see any way he'll be in charge in 5 years, I don't think he wants the hassle.
 

Grendel

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,938
Ring Of Steel said:

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As I’ve said Mr Hodges is not politically biased
 

clint van damme

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,939
Ring Of Steel said:
I made an effort to watch some...

It is ultimately irrelevant as there are years to go before an election, but Boris is being methodically dismantled, does he just not care or something as he knows its ages before the next election?
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I give you a like for not using the words forensic or forensically.
 
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Grendel

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,940
Ring Of Steel said:
You have way more insight than me on the specific politics and I make no pretence of knowing all the detail & history etc

However its obvious that bearing in mind Johnson the man, the person, what has happened and the way he operates, he'll stand down at some point- I would suspect once he's "delivered brexit" and he can put it in his CV and head off into the sunset with the adoration that he seemingly craves so much. I can't see any way he'll be in charge in 5 years, I don't think he wants the hassle.
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He can make more money from the circuit and his memoirs - he’s outdo Blair

Also of course there is a credible newcomer now to “steer the ship through grave economic times
 

David O'Day

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,941
Ring Of Steel said:
You have way more insight than me on the specific politics and I make no pretence of knowing all the detail & history etc

However its obvious that bearing in mind Johnson the man, the person, what has happened and the way he operates, he'll stand down at some point- I would suspect once he's "delivered brexit" and he can put it in his CV and head off into the sunset with the adoration that he seemingly craves so much. I can't see any way he'll be in charge in 5 years, I don't think he wants the hassle.
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He doesn't.

He's a moron who lies

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Skybluefaz

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,942
clint van damme said:
I give you a like for not using the words forensic or forensically.
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The forensic thing is weirdly de facto now it's like saying Messi and co when talking about Barca.
 
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djr8369

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,943
Grendel said:
He can make more money from the circuit and his memoirs - he’s outdo Blair
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Which also plays to his strengths.


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djr8369

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,944
Grendel said:
It’s an irrelevance full stop - it’s viewed by a handful of wierdos normally on the Parliament channel. As I’ve said Hague was a million times better than Starmer and had Blair on the run - it was a total mismatch - as it was on polling day the other way round

The unfortunate thing for Starmer is not only is it early but no one is engaged at all now anyway and so any bounce is nullified by the crises

Johnson isn’t a conviction politician and regardless of this and any other events I suspect will call it a day before the next election and a successor will benefit from a bounce

Labour have zero chance of an actual working majority in parliament unless the SNP vote collapses - this is not impossible as I suspect dear old Nicola is secretly hoping either the virus lasts for a few more years or a certain ex leader gets it
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A very reasonable comment with some good insight.


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David O'Day

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,945
djr8369 said:
A very reasonable comment with some good insight.


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No, no it's not. The Blair governments would of had working majorities without Scottish Mps.

His arguments are simply incorrect.

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Grendel

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,946
David O'Day said:
No, no it's not. The Blair governments would of had working majorities without Scottish Mps.

His arguments are simply incorrect.

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This is not a Blair opposition and never will be and it’s not against a busted flush regime which was Major.

Starmer doesn’t represent a brave new world - keep believing and keep being disappointed
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,947
Hopefully down to 3000 infections and less than 500 deaths today. Then we can see things are going in a good direction
 

Liquid Gold

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,948

"Not voting for Labour until they get their act together - no not like that, I meant do what the Conservatives do"
 
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Brylowes

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,949
SkyBlueDom26 said:
It was obvious we’re going to have to pay financially for it, let’s just hope the kick isn’t too big and from today we get things reopen and the economy safely moving.... this is why we can’t stay in lockdown forever

Seen somewhere that 1 in 3 companies might not reopen
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Do you not think a 2 or if necessary 3 month hard lockdown would have given us more
Chance of being able to safely re-open without the possibility of a significant 2nd wave.

I’m no expert but if I were a betting man I’d be placing some serious wedge on a 2nd
Wave hitting us sometime in the next 6 weeks ‘as a direct consequence of both the
Governments hesitant and relaxed attitude to lockdown and their apparent haste to
Leave it behind.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,950
Sky Blue Pete said:
Hopefully down to 3000 infections and less than 500 deaths today. Then we can see things are going in a good direction
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Not really, it needs to be sustained for a period. So far we've had a very slight decrease in both counts but it has jumped about a bit.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,951
Liquid Gold said:
Turf Parliament out to MK or somewhere. Give it a semicircular chamber and turn the palace into a museum of democracy and the British state.
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I'd love it if parliament 'travelled' and was held in a different region each term/year. Would go a long way to removing that London-centric bubble and you'd be amazed how quick you'd get investment in the regions doing it. You could make it part of the redevelopment programme of cities so the MP's would actually see what it's like living in places that are struggling and constantly overlooked for investment.
 

David O'Day

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,952
Why is the dhsc reporting different figures to the ons

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chiefdave

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,953
stupot07 said:
How can it be right for PM to outright lie on public record in the commons?
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There should be an MPs code of conduct with consequences for the type of outright lie Johnson has told today. He knows far more people will see him declare that than will see the evidence that he is lying.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,954
stupot07 said:
How can it be right for PM to outright lie on public record in the commons?

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I think it’s referred to as parliamentary privilege.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,955
chiefdave said:
There should be an MPs code of conduct with consequences for the type of outright lie Johnson has told today. He knows far more people will see him declare that than will see the evidence that he is lying.
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Will be forgotten in 24hrs which is so wrong
 

David O'Day

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,956
skybluetony176 said:
I think it’s referred to as parliamentary privilege.
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The peiviledge is not to be used for anything you say.

It's still against the rules to mislead the house

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chiefdave

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,957
Grendel said:
it’s viewed by a handful of wierdos normally on the Parliament channel
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How BBC Parliament, TV's geekiest channel, became a surprise ratings hit
 

David O'Day

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,958
chiefdave said:
How BBC Parliament, TV's geekiest channel, became a surprise ratings hit
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Once again grendal and the truth are in a massive disagreement

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David O'Day

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,959
Sky Blue Pete said:
Will be forgotten in 24hrs which is so wrong
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The bbc are running it on their live feed which is viewed by a lot of people

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shmmeee

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,960
skybluetony176 said:
I think it’s referred to as parliamentary privilege.
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No that just stops people suing you, it’s still against the code of conduct to mislead the house. Convention for ministers is generally they resign. Not sure about Prime Ministers, or for that matter people who clearly couldn’t give a fuck about parliamentary convention.
 
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