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David O'Day

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,856
hill83 said:
I was up for paying more tax if it goes to the right places before this and I will be after.
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Generally people are. If you target a tax and say for example "we are going to increase ni by x amount but all extra money raised will be spent on the nhs and adult social care" the public is supportive of this.

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David O'Day

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,857
fernandopartridge said:
It really doesn't - the way the 'cost' of the JRS has been described is utterly misleading. It is spending money directly in to the economy and a lot of it will come back to the treasury in any case (people pay income tax on the 80% subject to thresholds for a start). I think it's reasonable to live with it, this is an unprecedented crisis akin to a war type impact on the economy. We need solutions similar to the postwar consensus to stimulate the economy, not the tired austerity orthodoxy of post financial crisis.

It's quantitative easing at a consumer level where it really ought to have been after the financial crisis, it's funny but I don't hear anybody crowing over the QE to banks which has so far cost £645bn to very little economic benefit to the majority (look at the stagnation of wages across the public and private sector) . The headline (misleading as described above) figures for the JRS are chicken feed in comparison.
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Yep the multipliers show that the jrs money is a form of stimulus as well.


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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,858
hill83 said:
Not that it really matters but millennials were born between 1981 and 1996 and I left school in 2000.
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Thought the early 80s was more Gen X? No worries
 

David O'Day

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,859
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Thought the early 80s was more Gen X? No worries
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I didn't think I was a millennial? More gen y

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hill83

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,860
David O'Day said:
I didn't think I was a millennial? More gen y

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You are. Lap it up.
 
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PVA

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,861
David O'Day said:
Yep morally bankrupt but the loans were only finally repaid recently

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Yes and wasn't our war debt to the Americans only paid off fairly recently too?

We can take time to pay these things back. Tories just choose austerity instead.
 
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David O'Day

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,862
hill83 said:
You are. Lap it up.
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Pass me the avocado toast then

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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,863
fernandopartridge said:
It really doesn't - the way the 'cost' of the JRS has been described is utterly misleading. It is spending money directly in to the economy and a lot of it will come back to the treasury in any case (people pay income tax on the 80% subject to thresholds for a start). I think it's reasonable to live with it, this is an unprecedented crisis akin to a war type impact on the economy. We need solutions similar to the postwar consensus to stimulate the economy, not the tired austerity orthodoxy of post financial crisis.

It's quantitative easing at a consumer level where it really ought to have been after the financial crisis, it's funny but I don't hear anybody crowing over the QE to banks which has so far cost £645bn to very little economic benefit to the majority (look at the stagnation of wages across the public and private sector) . The headline (misleading as described above) figures for the JRS are chicken feed in comparison.
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I agree, but this is why a UBI should probably have been implemented instead
 
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shmmeee

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,864
Deleted member 5849 said:
What's wrong with them raising tax to pay for it?
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Right now isn’t the time for austerity, you’ll strangle the recovery. We should’ve learned that after 2008.

Tax rises are fine eventually, if they’re engineered properly to claw back unearned wealth and excess. But raising VAT is regressive and will kill consumer spending.
 
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hill83

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,865
David O'Day said:
Pass me the avocado toast then

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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,866
David O'Day said:
Pass me the avocado toast then

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Waitrose Heston brand for me
 

hill83

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,867
Suckered in by the daily mail slating 'millennial youngsters'. Tut tut.
 
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shmmeee

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,868
Deleted member 5849 said:
If the tax rate keeps public spending up, that works anyway.
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You’re robbing Peter to pay Paul though. We’re about to have TWO of the biggest recessions in our history back to back FGS! Taking money out of people’s pockets to meet some arbitrary timeline for paying back debt that’s cheaper to service than any point in history is downright insane.
 
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David O'Day

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,869
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Waitrose Heston brand for me
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Nearest waitrose is in Kenilworth and everytime us cov folk go to Kenilworth the towns folk bring out the pitchforks

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shmmeee

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,870
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Thought the early 80s was more Gen X? No worries
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Im 81 and was originally Gen X, as Millenial originally meant “not 18 at the turn of the millennium”, then they changed it to 1980. I still class myself as Gen X cos it sounds cooler
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,871
David O'Day said:
Nearest waitrose is in Kenilworth and everytime us cov folk go to Kenilworth the towns folk bring out the pitchforks

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I thought they threw crostini’s out onto the pavement and the Cov folk pecked at them
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,872
shmmeee said:
Im 81 and was originally Gen X, as Millenial originally meant “not 18 at the turn of the millennium”, then they changed it to 1980. I still class myself as Gen X cos it sounds cooler
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So does Gen Z but I teach them
 

skybluetony176

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,873
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Which is why we have to find the right balance as being locked down forever will be much worse in the months to come
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They couldn’t find the right balance for the “lockdown” as over 40,000 deaths prove. What gives you the confidence that they’ll get the next phase right? Especially given that they’ve already failed by jumping the gun and starting relaxing the lockdown much earlier in the curve than countries with better figures than us.
 

hill83

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,874
shmmeee said:
Im 81 and was originally Gen X, as Millenial originally meant “not 18 at the turn of the millennium”, then they changed it to 1980. I still class myself as Gen X cos it sounds cooler
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Good innings that. 81.
 
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shmmeee

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,875
Brighton Sky Blue said:
So does Gen Z but I teach them
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Bloody Zoomers. My youngest is an “Alpha” apparently.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,876
hill83 said:
Good innings that. 81.
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Shhmmee 81 c G b BSB
 

shmmeee

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,877
Really hoping this “leak” of austerity plans is another Cummings media play like the 60% furlough stuff.
 
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David O'Day

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,878
Anyway who's up for a drive to Skegvegas.

Not you astute

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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,879
David O'Day said:
Anyway who's up for a drive to Skegvegas.

Not you astute

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I was hoping for a night in Smack
 
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David O'Day

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,880
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I was hoping for a night in Smack
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The club that used to be in Leam

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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,881
David O'Day said:
The club that used to be in Leam

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Yeah, Aron Gunnarsson’s favourite
 
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wingy

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,882
PVA said:
Yes and wasn't our war debt to the Americans only paid off fairly recently too?

We can take time to pay these things back. Tories just choose austerity instead.
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Who are we going to pay it back to this time?
 
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djr8369

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,883
chiefdave said:
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He makes some good points. Unfortunately Cummings is running a PR exercise and has no interest in parliamentary process or scrutiny.


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wingy

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,884
shmmeee said:
You’re robbing Peter to pay Paul though. We’re about to have TWO of the biggest recessions in our history back to back FGS! Taking money out of people’s pockets to meet some arbitrary timeline for paying back debt that’s cheaper to service than any point in history is downright insane.
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Will interest rates remain as they are ?
 
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djr8369

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,885
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Seems like the penny is finally dropping
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Not quite a lightbulb moment but I sense a few electrons are starting to drift.


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wingy

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,886
djr8369 said:
He makes some good points. Unfortunately Cummings is running a PR exercise and has no interest in parliamentary process or scrutiny.


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The address to the nation at 7-00pm on a Sunday evening was a flagrant grandstanding excercise attempting to avert scrutiny and appear presidential.
 
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djr8369

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,887
David O'Day said:
Most of that will be owed to the bank of england who are owned by the uk government.

You can slowly pay it off as per the slavery reparations which we have only just paid off.

Also if you actually stimulate the economy you increase the tax rate more.

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Yup. Reward the people who have kept things going during the crises with better pay and that money starts moving around the economy doing things.

Our power grid is now interconnected to Europe, invest in the huge potential for wind power and be a net exporter of electricity rather than importer.

Invest in R&D, the last 200 years or so of European world dominance was built on the back of scientific discovery.

Invest in infrastructure and services that will boost the economy. Rural 5G for all the remote workers, new public transport options that will help people travel safely.

But no, they’ll remain welded their small state, invisible hand of the market ideology, provide a few drop in the ocean grants here and there that will mainly go to friends and family and hold the country back while protecting the wealthy and blaming the majority.


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djr8369

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,888
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Thought the early 80s was more Gen X? No worries
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He’s right. You had to be growing up in the 80’s to be gen X rather than born in the 80’s. The millennials received such a bashing during the culture wars that nobody thinks they’re a millennial.


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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,889
djr8369 said:
He’s right. You had to be growing up in the 80’s to be gen X rather than born in the 80’s. The millennials received such a bashing during the culture wars that nobody thinks they’re a millennial.


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Understood, my jist was folks in the late teens/early-mid 20s around the 2008 recession
 
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djr8369

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #22,890
wingy said:
The address to the nation at 7-00pm on a Sunday evening was a flagrant grandstanding excercise attempting to avert scrutiny and appear presidential.
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The only justice is it backed fired quite badly as no doubt they won’t be held properly to account. Good on the Speaker and Bone picking them up on it. Mogg who is normally such a stickler for rules strangely quiet.


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