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SkyBlueDom26

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #22,541
David O'Day said:
Dom is pretending they haven't changed their plans.

He's a joke

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Only joke on this forum is yourself, give them credit they are stopping millions becoming redundant
 

David O'Day

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #22,542
fernandopartridge said:
Yes, agreed, fair play for that.

Make no mistake though, once again it was only due to this policy of leaking a proposal to illicit a response then deciding a course of action.
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It will be fair play when they actually help the people who fell through the cracks.

Also yes you are right they have only changed as they were getting monstered in the press

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wingy

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #22,543
Sky Blue Harry H said:
Least said, soonest mended. Wasn't meant to offend anybody. Not in favour of the UK breaking up in general. Just thought it was interesting seeing opposing positions from countries within the UK, and possible political motivations ( whether real or otherwise)
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I think there are obviously times when opportunities get exploited, but don't think this is one .
For instance the potential has been there.
for regional disparities too .
A little like lobbying from differing age groups to be exempted/released from restrictions .
Differentials and potential for them are everywhere.
I'd look closely at the schedule leading up to and then the announcement to evaluate if anyone acted out of step to usurp procedure/proceedings.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #22,544
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Only joke on this forum is yourself, give them credit they are stopping millions becoming redundant
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While killing thousands of others.
 

David O'Day

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #22,545
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Only joke on this forum is yourself, give them credit they are stopping millions becoming redundant
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I'll give them them credit whe they actually fix the faults in the scheme.

For example what can be done to help people who left one job at the end of march and were due to start a new one at the start of april?

Let's talk about the actual policy

I do feel the change of mind is to distract from the fact that as per the ons there are over 40k dead now

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Ring Of Steel

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #22,546
David O'Day said:
It will be fair play when they actually help the people who fell through the cracks.

Also yes you are right they have only changed as they were getting monstered in the press

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Not watching- anything said on self employed?
 

David O'Day

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #22,547
skybluetony176 said:
While killing thousands of others.
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Let's see what dum knows about the scheme.

Yes it's good that you chancellor reversed his original plans to taper the furlough scheme but there are major issues that need to be fixed



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David O'Day

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #22,548
Ring Of Steel said:
Not watching- anything said on self employed?
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The self employed version is a clusterfuck

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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #22,549
shmmeee said:
Really good announcement if I’m reading it correctly. Still 80% of wages paid and no longer requiring staff to not be working? Is that right? My only question is if people are working, wouldn’t they be getting full pay? Little confused.
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That would sound open to abuse if so!
 

David O'Day

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #22,550
Come on dom.

Let us talk about the scheme

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shmmeee

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #22,551
skybluetony176 said:
Good to know that I’m going to be paying Covtarians mortgage and keeping him in booze until October at least. You’re welcome Covtarian.
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Lazy righties living the life of Riley on benefits
 
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David O'Day

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #22,552
They quickly need to look at the issue of people who had found new jobs to start in april.

They aren't covered.

They also need to look at the people who earned minimum wage and are now being paid less than the minimum wage.

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Ring Of Steel

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #22,553
David O'Day said:
The self employed version is a clusterfuck

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Yep it is, was wondering if any update would be given.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #22,554
Sky Blue Harry H said:
Also find it interesting how Scotland, Wales etc are trying to establish a different agenda, which the cynic in me thinks they are trying to accentuate their national identity, rather than all working together. Not a time to play politics for politics sake.
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There may be an element of that but I think the main reason is because they think it's bad advice. Cases and deaths are still far too high to be relaxing measures and have decided to put out their own message on the grounds of what is best for the people.

Over the coming weeks it will be interesting to see if there is much divergence between England's rates and the rest of the UK.
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #22,555
shmmeee said:
Lazy righties living the life of Riley on benefits
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I also like "Covtarian" as a name, makes him sound like a Doctor Who villain from Wood End in the year 2864
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • May 12, 2020
  • #22,556
David O'Day said:
They quickly need to look at the issue of people who had found new jobs to start in april.

They aren't covered.

They also need to look at the people who earned minimum wage and are now being paid less than the minimum wage.

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TBF you’re right. There’s issues with the existing scheme. But keeping it in was the right decision compared to tapering off the furlough payments.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #22,557
David O'Day said:
Come on dom.

Let us talk about the scheme

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What that millions will actually have a wage, don't see anything wrong with that.... seems that you clearly do and that's weird
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #22,558
If it were just Scotland, there might be a point. Northern Ireland have half their government pro Union however, and there's no great nationalist movement in Wales. So if all three differ from England, that probably suggests the English message is the one out of kilter.
 
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David O'Day

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #22,559
shmmeee said:
TBF you’re right. There’s issues with the existing scheme. But keeping it in was the right decision compared to tapering off the furlough payments.
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Yes it was but he has only done that because of the negative press.

The tapering stories came from downing street. He has tinkered with the details as well also he could of fix these issues but doesn't want to

He is steadfastly refusing to fix the issues though like Dom is refusing to talk about the details of the policy.

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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #22,560
shmmeee said:
TBF you’re right. There’s issues with the existing scheme. But keeping it in was the right decision compared to tapering off the furlough payments.
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Proper lefty policy that innit. Bravo for state aid!
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #22,561
Deleted member 5849 said:
That would sound open to abuse if so!
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This, I fear, is the beginnings of "the new normal"..... Classic shock doctrine politics going on here & elsewhere around the world...
 

David O'Day

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #22,562
SkyBlueDom26 said:
What that millions will actually have a wage, don't see anything wrong with that.... seems that you clearly do and that's weird
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That is not what I said is it Dom.

Why are you lying about what I said?

I have said we should talk about the flaws in the scheme that should of been fixed by now but haven't. The flaws that mean real people go without.

But you just choose to lie about what I said.

You are both weird and in the words of the primitive really really stupid.

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #22,563
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Krankie is a terrible leader, so it doesn’t surprise me Scotland are behaving the way they are when it comes to sticking together as the UK through this
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Every bit of the UK is sticking together behind the Stay at Home advice except us.
 

shmmeee

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #22,564
Johnson’s approval drops 17 points in a day! Now below Starmer.

 
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David O'Day

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #22,565
shmmeee said:
Johnson’s approval drops 17 points in a day! Now below Starmer.

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But grenners said this wasn't happening

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Liquid Gold

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #22,566
if you're taking furlough payments while you have savings then you should never be able to criticise anybody sponging off the state again. What we're witnessing is pretty much unprecedented socialism.
 
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PVA

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #22,567
shmmeee said:
Johnson’s approval drops 17 points in a day! Now below Starmer.

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Oh dear.

Look forward to Grendel's response to this after I pointed out Johnson's approval rate was dropping by the day and he deflected.
 
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David O'Day

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #22,568
Come on Dom

As the government calls their minimum wage a living wage which it isn't. Anybody being paid less than this is not earning another money to have a reasonable standard of life. As a large amount of the furloughed workers are now earning 80 percent of the minimum wage and this are in less than the government admits is needed for a reasonable existence what should we do?

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #22,569
Sky Blue Harry H said:
Agree with you - I'm just saying that it is interesting that whatever decision Boris/whoever makes for 'England' is likely to be challenged at every turn as it accentuates the fact that they are a different country, Do you think that Boris/PM/whoever is leading us doesn't have saving lives at the forefront? If we were talking Trump, then I'll concede.
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With Johnson you're never sure exactly what his opinion is - he changes it every five minutes depending on what he thinks will be popular. He has made speeches in the past that seemingly put economic worth over human well-being, but again that may well have been playing to his particular audience.

But the one thing I would say is graft, hard work and details are hardly his forte, so I expect much of what is going into policy is left to his advisors. When you look at the likes of Cummings you could definitely make a case that saving lives isn't at the forefront of their thinking. When you've employed eugenicists on your team it may well even be contrary to their thinking.
 
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Walsgrave

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #22,570
Liquid Gold said:
if you're taking furlough payments while you have savings then you should never be able to criticise anybody sponging off the state again. What were witnessing is pretty much unprecedented socialism.
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Socialist solutions for the capitalists when the capitalists are doing badly. And not just that; socialism would imply an equal distribution - whereas furlough means that those in highly paid jobs get paid more for doing the same job (i.e. nothing).
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #22,571
Grendel said:
There is evidence that sturgeon was involved in the lies exposed in the salmond trial. She is a far less popular leader in Scotland than Johnson is here. Sturgeon in normal times would be finished

She’s a serial opportunist who only went “off message” as she was banned from the last COVID meeting because she kept doing press conferences immediately afterwards to try and show influence and leadership

This virus is preventing salmond from his legal action. An action that will bring her down
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #22,572
David O'Day said:
Come on Dom

As the government calls their minimum wage a living wage which it isn't. Anybody being paid less than this is not earning another money to have a reasonable standard of life. As a large amount of the furloughed workers are now earning 80 percent of the minimum wage and this are in less than the government admits is needed for a reasonable existence what should we do?

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There is lots of various support available for people and millions will be glad they will be getting 80% of their income till October, hopefully by then everyone will be back at work i think by September this will be well under control
 
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PVA

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #22,573
shmmeee said:
Johnson’s approval drops 17 points in a day! Now below Starmer.

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Will Dom and Grendel now admit that they are not in the majority in thinking Johnson and the government have handled this well?

That this thread isn't just biased or 'full of lefties'?

That actually the majority of people think they've handled it appallingly?
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #22,574
SkyBlueDom26 said:
There is lots of various support available for people and millions will be glad they will be getting 80% of their income till October, hopefully by then everyone will be back at work i think by September this will be well under control
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So you like socialism?
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #22,575
Liquid Gold said:
if you're taking furlough payments while you have savings then you should never be able to criticise anybody sponging off the state again. What were witnessing is pretty much unprecedented socialism.
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Maybe thats whats driving Covtarian over the edge, the shame of what he is doing.
 
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