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shmmeee · May 7, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
Thats completely wrong- people have changed. In every walk of life, not just politics. The slang term is "dumbed down", its more complex than that but in general terms it is true. The country is a completely different place to what it was even 20 years ago- fuelled a lot by 'the media', but whatever the cause this is a very different place socially & culturally to how it was.

I disagree.

Over the last twenty years the number of people with educational qualifications has increased, social attitudes to LGBT and race issues have improved, political attitudes have stayed relatively the same.

There’s no evidence of dumbing down, I think you’re just getting old. Just like this guy:

Socrates - “The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”

Ian1779 said:
Do you mean Nadia Whitmore?

No the Coventry one. Black lady. Name begins with a T I think.

Astute · May 7, 2020

Grendel said:
As a local MP she’s not too bad and will respond to people. Wasn’t Innes the other option or was that last time?

No.idea. As you know I live a couple of hundred miles away. Sultana hit the national news. Not many Labour candidates say they would celebrate people like Tony Bliar being dead.

Astute · May 7, 2020

djr8369 said:
Is it a case of white males being less likely to get the job or just giving the oppurtunity to anyone? I've defaulted myselft to judging something as positive discrimination but sometimes when you look into it it is actually perfectly fair. I'm not saying that's the case with MP selection as I don't know the stats just making the point that we shouldn't rush to conclusions.

Some are hopefully most are not.

Terry Gibson's perm · May 7, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Sorry to hear that. Look after yourself and I hope it's only mild.

To be honest I feel pretty good now and could probably go back to work tonight but I am due off tomorrow so may as well have a few extra days to fully recover.

chiefdave · May 7, 2020

shmmeee said:
Mattie Haven the Con candidate is a local councillor and from what I’ve seen works very hard locally so was a good opponent.

I happened to be in when Haven was door knocking on her local council campaign. She was absolutely clueless on pretty much every issue I raised with her. Response to everything was 'its a labour council' and would point blank deny things that were the policy of the Conservative government were in any way to blame.

Although I did note that later in that campaign she moved to distance herself from the polices of central government. Made it a bit of a surprise when she then decide to stand for MP! Was funny to see her go from remain to 'get Brexit done' overnight.

I was undecided who to vote for in our last council elections so looked into all the candidates, its like Haven didn't exist before the election campaign. She's either the most untraceable person or someone purposely cleansed her online history.

Does make me laugh when the local Conservative supporters complain about having Sultana dropped in but praise Haven who ended up in this ward having failed to win in multiple other wards.

The local council elections are even more depressing than the parliamentary elections in terms of candidate quality.

shmmeee · May 7, 2020

chiefdave said:
I happened to be in when Haven was door knocking on her local council campaign. She was absolutely clueless on pretty much every issue I raised with her. Response to everything was 'its a labour council' and would point blank deny things that were the policy of the Conservative government were in any way to blame.

Although I did note that later in that campaign she moved to distance herself from the polices of central government. Made it a bit of a surprise when she then decide to stand for MP! Was funny to see her go from remain to 'get Brexit done' overnight.

I was undecided who to vote for in our last council elections so looked into all the candidates, its like Haven didn't exist before the election campaign. She's either the most untraceable person or someone purposely cleansed her online history.

Does make me laugh when the local Conservative supporters complain about having Sultana dropped in but praise Haven who ended up in this ward having failed to win in multiple other wards.

The local council elections are even more depressing than the parliamentary elections in terms of candidate quality.

Ive only been here a couple of years but she’s quite active in the FB groups being seen getting things done local moan about like the Kings Hill development (which I think is a good thing but locals don’t seem to), never heard from Labour once I don’t think. So there was an element of Haven being “seen” I guess. Regardless her campaign from the outside seemed better organised and in tune with the local mood than Sultanas. But I may be seeing what I want to be fair.

Brylowes · May 7, 2020

Ian1779 said:
Labour are in a state - primarily because of the factions within the party. I hope they may have turned a corner in 2017, but they fucked it by getting the biggest issue in the country horrifically wrong and handing the Tories a huge majority

Yet in all reality they didn’t get that particular issue ‘anywhere near as horrifically wrong
As the Party now in power with the huge majority.

Grendel · May 7, 2020

Astute said:
No.idea.

How true

Brylowes · May 7, 2020

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
While there is no doubt the tories are atrocious, they keep winning elections.

Not all of the electorate are stupid, and they keep rejecting labour as somehow even worse that the tories.

If there were some genuine decent opposition I'm sure they would get voted for.

But you don’t need to win all of the votes to win an election do you.

The MSM both here and in America are absolutely instrumental in deciding the Government’s we elect,
and the methods used in influencing public opinion have been on an ethically slippery slope for years.
Where they used to ‘lean to the right politically and report and ‘bend the facts’ in their favour, they now
unashamedly ride roughshod all over it.
The MSM nowadays is little more than a well coordinated right wing propaganda machine IMHO

David O'Day · May 7, 2020

Dr Jenny Harries has let herself down.

Blaming the 5th day in a row of sub 100k testing on a technical issue over the weekend in a lab?

Yes a technical issue in 1 lab out of the many used for 2 days will always resulted in almost a week of missed targets

Also the new cases amount is scandalous and the death numbers are not dropping at the rate they should

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Sky Blue Pete · May 7, 2020

5600 new infections

skybluetony176 · May 7, 2020

David O'Day said:
Dr Jenny Harries has let herself down.

Blaming the 5th day in a row of sub 100k testing on a technical issue over the weekend in a lab?

Yes a technical issue in 1 lab out of the many used for 2 days will always resulted in almost a week of missed targets

Also the new cases amount is scandalous and the death numbers are not dropping at the rate they should

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It’s not surprising that we’re plateauing. It’s almost like there’s no lockdown at all now so wouldn’t be at all surprised if the numbers start climbing again in the next couple of weeks and the plateau turns out to be only a ledge.

Ian1779 · May 7, 2020

Brylowes said:
Yet in all reality they didn’t get that particular issue ‘anywhere near as horrifically wrong
As the Party now in power with the huge majority.

The day the vote went Leave there was never ever going to be a way to reverse it.... just wish we’d not gone down the line of trying to block it, because although it was the will of the membership it was so far out of step with the electorate we needed to hold AND win.

David O'Day · May 7, 2020

I don't buy this almost like theres no lockdown thing, a large amount of people still aren't going to work the transport figures show usage still down

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covmark · May 7, 2020

David O'Day said:
I don't buy this almost like theres no lockdown thing, a large amount of people still aren't going to work the transport figures show usage still down

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Agree with this. I have noticed the roads being slightly busier, but to say there's almost no lockdown is rubbish tbh.

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chiefdave · May 7, 2020

David O'Day said:
Dr Jenny Harries has let herself down.

Blaming the 5th day in a row of sub 100k testing on a technical issue over the weekend in a lab?

Yes a technical issue in 1 lab out of the many used for 2 days will always resulted in almost a week of missed targets

Also the new cases amount is scandalous and the death numbers are not dropping at the rate they should

Shambles. How does an issue on the weekend impact figures for 5 days. Lets be honest, we've not once hit the promised 100K people tested a day. They've changed to 100K tests a day and fiddled the figures on that for a couple of days hoping everyone would then forget about it.

chiefdave · May 7, 2020

David O'Day said:
I don't buy this almost like theres no lockdown thing, a large amount of people still aren't going to work the transport figures show usage still down

While its not 'back to normal' it is far busier.

I walk either along the A45 or in the Memorial most days when I take the dog out. At the start of lockdown you'd hardly see a vehicle on the A45, now its a near constant stream of traffic. Sure its not bumper to bumper like before the lockdown but its significantly busier than it was.

Same in the park. Council have closed off the car parks but no longer have wardens / police stopping people congregating. This week I've seen a rugby club training, fitness classes taking place and everyday there's groups of people sat around.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · May 7, 2020

chiefdave said:
Shambles. How does an issue on the weekend impact figures for 5 days. Lets be honest, we've not once hit the promised 100K people tested a day. They've changed to 100K tests a day and fiddled the figures on that for a couple of days hoping everyone would then forget about it.

Hasn't Johnson now said 200k by end of May in PMQ's, or was I imagining that?

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · May 7, 2020

chiefdave said:
While its not 'back to normal' it is far busier.

I walk either along the A45 or in the Memorial most days when I take the dog out. At the start of lockdown you'd hardly see a vehicle on the A45, now its a near constant stream of traffic. Sure its not bumper to bumper like before the lockdown but its significantly busier than it was.

Same in the park. Council have closed off the car parks but no longer have wardens / police stopping people congregating. This week I've seen a rugby club training, fitness classes taking place and everyday there's groups of people sat around.

I concur. First few weeks of lockdown A45 by me was pretty much empty. Could walk on the field next to it and it was eerily quiet. Did it today and there was constant traffic noise in background. Only a steady stream rather than busy but really noticeable to a week or two ago.

hill83 · May 7, 2020

David O'Day said:
I don't buy this almost like theres no lockdown thing, a large amount of people still aren't going to work the transport figures show usage still down

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Purely anecdotal but I was in the office this week. 1200 people normally. I counted me, the security guard who was asleep and 2 other people. Monday afternoon. Also no traffic way in and home. This is A45 / A46.

Terry Gibson's perm · May 7, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Hasn't Johnson now said 200k by end of May in PMQ's, or was I imagining that?

I believe he got pressured into it 29 May 60k and the 30th will be 210k first day of June probably a dozen or so.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · May 7, 2020

Brylowes said:
But you don’t need to win all of the votes to win an election do you.

The MSM both here and in America are absolutely instrumental in deciding the Government’s we elect,
and the methods used in influencing public opinion have been on an ethically slippery slope for years.
Where they used to ‘lean to the right politically and report and ‘bend the facts’ in their favour, they now
unashamedly ride roughshod all over it.
The MSM nowadays is little more than a well coordinated right wing propaganda machine IMHO

I don't really agree with that at all.

There is bias, of course there is. You get it on both sides though.

I think this is part of the problem though. Whilst I detest the tories personally, the electorate continue to reject labour and this isn't just down to what is printed in the Daily Mail.

There needs to be ownership and acceptance that the efforts the other parties have put forward in both candidates and policies are not good enough to topple the tory reign, even though them themselves are shite.

There are quite a few posters on here who do accept it however and I welcome that honesty and reflection. That kind of attitude will only improve their favoured party and give them a chance in the future perhaps.

Look to the USA for example. I don't think Trump would have won if his opposition candidate was half decent. It seems they didn't learn their lesson as this time it isn't Hillary but someone who is also a bit of a joke.

As I said earlier, I am delusioned with politics these days anyway. I really don't think any of them represent me.

Brylowes · May 7, 2020

Ian1779 said:
The day the vote went Leave there was never ever going to be a way to reverse it.... just wish we’d not gone down the line of trying to block it, because although it was the will of the membership it was so far out of step with the electorate we needed to hold AND win.

Brexit once voted for ‘was always going to be a minefield for any “Well intentioned” political party To navigate, not least because of people’s lack of understanding as to what leaving actually meant.

Before the vote even the likes of Farage we’re advocating leaving with a deal, Johnson ‘I’m sure’ is on record as saying leaving without a deal would be economic madness.

It’s just that a certain party and certain individual ‘spotted a growing uninformed determination among a Media
led public to get Brexit done ‘whatever the cost’ They then seized the opportunity to offer the public the Brexit They crave ‘In exchange for the power they crave.
They did this knowing full well the ramifications for the Country and it’s people this type of Brexit would have.
They will do literally anything to keep power ‘and maintain the “Us and Them” status quo

Brylowes · May 7, 2020

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I don't really agree with that at all.

There is bias, of course there is. You get it on both sides though.

I think this is part of the problem though. Whilst I detest the tories personally, the electorate continue to reject labour and this isn't just down to what is printed in the Daily Mail.

There needs to be ownership and acceptance that the efforts the other parties have put forward in both candidates and policies are not good enough to topple the tory reign, even though them themselves are shite.

There are quite a few posters on here who do accept it however and I welcome that honesty and reflection. That kind of attitude will only improve their favoured party and give them a chance in the future perhaps.

Look to the USA for example. I don't think Trump would have won if his opposition candidate was half decent. It seems they didn't learn their lesson as this time it isn't Hillary but someone who is also a bit of a joke.

As I said earlier, I am delusioned with politics these days anyway. I really don't think any of them represent me.

It isn’t just the Mail, it’s the Times, Telegraph, Sun, Star, Sport etc, it’s the BBC it’s ITV and Sky
It’s everywhere ‘only Channel 4 report the news responsibly.

Grendel · May 7, 2020

Brylowes said:
It’s everywhere ‘only Channel 4 report the news responsibly.

That’s the funniest thing of read on this thread

Ring Of Steel · May 7, 2020

Grendel said:
That’s the funniest thing of read on this thread

That’s high praise indeed from the man who said that Chinese slaves infected Italian villages 200 miles away.

Grendel · May 7, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
That’s high praise indeed from the man who said that Chinese slaves infected Italian villages 200 miles away.

Well I didn’t say that but do carry on. Do they have C4 in “Ireland”?

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · May 7, 2020

Brylowes said:
It isn’t just the Mail, it’s the Times, Telegraph, Sun, Star, Sport etc, it’s the BBC it’s ITV and Sky
It’s everywhere ‘only Channel 4 report the news responsibly.

No, channel 4 report the news the way you want it.

Along with the Guardian, Independent etc.

You've basically just proved my point. Bias happens on both sides.

I'm not saying you're wrong to view things the way you do, I'm just saying that I don't think labour will have a chance of winning an election unless they have a bit of self reflection and up their game rather than like this, blaming media outlets.

I think the media is also pretty toxic across the board to be honest. I would even through the BBC into that these days with some of the content they post.

skybluetony176 · May 7, 2020

Grendel said:
Well I didn’t say that but do carry on. Do they have C4 in “Ireland”?

Yes.

Brylowes · May 7, 2020

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
No, channel 4 report the news the way you want it.

Along with the Guardian, Independent etc.

You've basically just proved my point. Bias happens on both sides.

I'm not saying you're wrong to view things the way you do, I'm just saying that I don't think labour will have a chance of winning an election unless they have a bit of self reflection and up their game rather than like this, blaming media outlets.

I think the media is also pretty toxic across the board to be honest. I would even through the BBC into that these days with some of the content they post.

Its not about reporting it in the way I like, it’s not even about repotting it in a politically biased
fashion, they merely report the news and ask the difficult questions of the Government that
other news agencies constantly shy away from.

Grendel · May 7, 2020

Brylowes said:
Its not about reporting it in the way I like, it’s not even about repotting it in a politically biased
fashion, they merely report the news and ask the difficult questions of the Government that
other news agencies constantly shy away from.

They are biased

Can you see Laura Kuensberg saying “fuck the Labour Party” at a right wing youth gathering?

Crick was there for 8 years? He’s a Labour Party activist isn’t he?

fernandopartridge · May 7, 2020

Thread here sums up what an utter cluster fuck this is

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Ring Of Steel · May 7, 2020

Brylowes said:
Its not about reporting it in the way I like, it’s not even about repotting it in a politically biased
fashion, they merely report the news and ask the difficult questions of the Government that
other news agencies constantly shy away from.

There is a reason Channel 4 got blacklisted and ended up with threats of having their license revoked- they asked too many difficult questions.

clint van damme · May 7, 2020

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
No, channel 4 report the news the way you want it.

Along with the Guardian, Independent etc.

You've basically just proved my point. Bias happens on both sides.

I'm not saying you're wrong to view things the way you do, I'm just saying that I don't think labour will have a chance of winning an election unless they have a bit of self reflection and up their game rather than like this, blaming media outlets.

I think the media is also pretty toxic across the board to be honest. I would even through the BBC into that these days with some of the content they post.

If you're been totally honest, no way Corbyn would have got off as lightly as either Johnson has on many issues recently.
The PPE, the missed tests, calling the handling of the pandemic a success while numbers were soaring.
He'd have got rinsed, and rightly so.

The press have been frankly embarrassing and as I've said before anyone who cares about a functioning democracy and accountability should be concerned.

clint van damme · May 7, 2020

Grendel said:
They are biased

Can you see Laura Kuensberg saying “fuck the Labour Party” at a right wing youth gathering?

Crick was there for 8 years? He’s a Labour Party activist isn’t he?

She'd find it difficult to say anything with her tongue up Johnson's arse.

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