Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (20 Viewers)

shmmeee · May 4, 2020

Had news over the weekend an old troubled mate tried to top himself. Can’t work (usually does security at festivals), had a shit year with his dad dying, alcoholic and extremely social, no internet access. This lockdown is his personal nightmare. I feel like shit cos he turned up on my doorstep last week and I had to kick him out because I was worried about infections.

Got a mate over to him to do a video call with all his mates but it’s a poor solution.

Sky Blue Pete · May 4, 2020

wingy said:
Interesting.
The narrative is changing .
Like over seventies .
Classification of illness requiring shielding etc.
Presented as push back / concern from affected sector's ,or is it led from inside to switch behaviours back ?

The over 70 stuff is really strange. My mum (who is 79 and has copd) was really anti shielding herself as she is a people person and my brother and sisters said as an adult she should do what she thinks is appropriate. I was horrified that my mum would put herself at risk and my siblings would be absolutely ok with all this!!

I do wonder sometimes at our human capacity to ignore clear and unambiguous advice on an optimistic whim

wingy · May 4, 2020

Sky Blue Pete said:
The over 70 stuff is really strange. My mum (who is 79 and has copd) was really anti shielding herself as she is a people person and my brother and sisters said as an adult she should do what she thinks is appropriate. I was horrified that my mum would put herself at risk and my siblings would be absolutely ok with all this!!

I do wonder sometimes at our human capacity to ignore clear and unambiguous advice on an optimistic whim

Like one of my colleagues father in law who felt he had to take that option of a final visit to the Pub prior to lockdown .
It was his final visit unfortunately.

Sky Blue Pete · May 4, 2020

shmmeee said:
Had news over the weekend an old troubled mate tried to top himself. Can’t work (usually does security at festivals), had a shit year with his dad dying, alcoholic and extremely social, no internet access. This lockdown is his personal nightmare. I feel like shit cos he turned up on my doorstep last week and I had to kick him out because I was worried about infections.

Got a mate over to him to do a video call with all his mates but it’s a poor solution.

I’m sorry mate that’s tough stuff! One of the things I learned when a friend took his own life was that I couldn’t have stopped him even if I’d spent 24hrs a day 7 days a week. You can do what you can do and no more. Hope they can find some hope in this world and life though

Ian1779 · May 4, 2020

Sky Blue Pete said:
The over 70 stuff is really strange. My mum (who is 79 and has copd) was really anti shielding herself as she is a people person and my brother and sisters said as an adult she should do what she thinks is appropriate. I was horrified that my mum would put herself at risk and my siblings would be absolutely ok with all this!!

I do wonder sometimes at our human capacity to ignore clear and unambiguous advice on an optimistic whim

My Dad was the same initially - 65 and with COPD. Wouldn’t stay in and follow advice. Took weeks of trying to get him to stay at home. Took 3 of us to tell him he was being a selfish prick (my sister-in-law is also pregnant) for him to wise up.

Still think he’s not 100% abiding but it’s an improvement.

wingy · May 4, 2020

If we end up going down this app route do we have Risk of info theft Via the Bluetooth ? .
Also if it's the decentralised version to protect our data being abused centrally , does it negate the ability of the Gov't to collate the relevant stuff to make judgements and forecasts .
Or don't they need to,?

jimmyhillsfanclub · May 4, 2020

wingy said:
If we end up going down this app route do we have Risk of info theft Via the Bluetooth ? .
Also if it's the decentralised version to protect our data being abused centrally , does it negate the ability of the Gov't to collate the relevant stuff to make judgements and forecasts .
Or don't they need to,?

All sounds a bit mad to me.....it may have some value if it was limited to alerting people that you've been in contact with someone who has officially tested positive, but just cos I walked past someone who has since had a a bit of a cough.....nah mate.
....and for that reason....i'm out.

David O'Day · May 4, 2020

Sky Blue Pete said:
The over 70 stuff is really strange. My mum (who is 79 and has copd) was really anti shielding herself as she is a people person and my brother and sisters said as an adult she should do what she thinks is appropriate. I was horrified that my mum would put herself at risk and my siblings would be absolutely ok with all this!!

I do wonder sometimes at our human capacity to ignore clear and unambiguous advice on an optimistic whim

Old folks are the worst. Should see them in the supermarket

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skybluetony176 · May 4, 2020

wingy said:
If we end up going down this app route do we have Risk of info theft Via the Bluetooth ? .
Also if it's the decentralised version to protect our data being abused centrally , does it negate the ability of the Gov't to collate the relevant stuff to make judgements and forecasts .
Or don't they need to,?

Following the Cambridge Analytica nonsense I’d be very wary of downloading an app from this government.

skybluetony176 · May 4, 2020

World must 'pull together' to back vaccine

out means out

SkyBlueDom26 · May 4, 2020

David O'Day said:
Yeah they are reopening and we still aren't really seeing out death rates or infection rates come done and we had to lie to hit the one target we had.

Dom we have fucked this you cretin

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Yeah I'm not fucking on about us am i, I'm on about countries which are easing the lockdown and things are looking much better thank they were.... Germany today has recorded its lowest cases since March 11th

wingy · May 4, 2020

Piece on sky a minute ago about Belgiums extreme numbers being down to Extreme frankness and honesty .
Even to the point of counting care home deaths without Covid on the death certificate .
Also that this frankness may have an adverse effect on inward future investment.

wingy · May 4, 2020

The figure that I keep hearing of % of population infected is 4 .
So 2.8M which tallies to the crude assumption of 100 time's mortality rate.

fernandopartridge · May 4, 2020

Ian1779 said:
My Dad was the same initially - 65 and with COPD. Wouldn’t stay in and follow advice. Took weeks of trying to get him to stay at home. Took 3 of us to tell him he was being a selfish prick (my sister-in-law is also pregnant) for him to wise up.

Still think he’s not 100% abiding but it’s an improvement.

David O'Day said:
Old folks are the worst. Should see them in the supermarket

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TBH, some of that boomer generation is the most entitled "I know better than so called experts" lot out of everybody alive, years of being conditioned that way by being fed so much drivel for 30 years by the media. It doesn't mean they're bad people of course but the chickens are coming home to roost.

clint van damme · May 4, 2020

fernandopartridge said:
TBH, some of that boomer generation is the most entitled "I know better than so called experts" lot out of everybody alive, years of being conditioned that way by being fed so much drivel for 30 years by the media. It doesn't mean they're bad people of course but the chickens are coming home to roost.

Goves 'people have had enough of experts' comment encapsulates it perfectly.

David O'Day · May 4, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Yeah I'm not fucking on about us am i, I'm on about countries which are easing the lockdown and things are looking much better thank they were.... Germany today has recorded its lowest cases since March 11th

You were whinging because people weren't bigging up your beloved incompetent leader.

Dry your eyes and apologise for spreading lies

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SkyBlueDom26 · May 4, 2020

David O'Day said:
You were whinging because people weren't bigging up your beloved incompetent leader.

Dry your eyes and apologise for spreading lies

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Yeah alright David haven't said fuck all about Bigging Boris up, stop chatting Shite

David O'Day · May 4, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Yeah alright David haven't said fuck all about Bigging Boris up, stop chatting Shite

You were crying about people being negative regarding the UK's handling of the pandemic.

Let us keep this factual.

Also you going to apologise for your lies regarding the testing figures

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thekidfromstrettoncamp · May 4, 2020

David O'Day said:
Old folks are the worst. Should see them in the supermarket

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I'm 1 of these old gits and my observations are the opposite young girls on their phones going from 1 ailse to another and back again when they have just remembered something from the previous 1 just walk close by you as though your not there. They just need to put the phone away for a short time .I'm 1 of the vulnerable 1's and treat everyone as a possible carrier.Perhaps should have put this in "Most irritating things" post.

skybluetony176 · May 4, 2020

They just had an old fella on the Jeremy Vine radio show saying that he didn’t serve in the airforce to be told what to do by the government. He must have been on permanent court marshal during his airforce service.

Astute · May 4, 2020

shmmeee said:
Had news over the weekend an old troubled mate tried to top himself. Can’t work (usually does security at festivals), had a shit year with his dad dying, alcoholic and extremely social, no internet access. This lockdown is his personal nightmare. I feel like shit cos he turned up on my doorstep last week and I had to kick him out because I was worried about infections.

Got a mate over to him to do a video call with all his mates but it’s a poor solution.

There isn't much any of us can do to help people in certain situations. You can't go blaming yourself for anything.

I had a good mate who had cancer. He passed away a week ago. None of his wife or kids could visit him in his last days. He ended up in a hospice for the last week or so and his wife stayed with him. She is now in hospital with the virus. So not only have they lost their father/grandfather but their mother/grandmother is seriously ill. And there is nothing anyone can do. I am supposed to be helping out with arrangements but not able to do a thing.

Nick · May 4, 2020

The nightingale hospital in London now closed?

Ring Of Steel · May 4, 2020

David O'Day said:
You were crying about people being negative regarding the UK's handling of the pandemic.

Let us keep this factual.

Also you going to apologise for your lies regarding the testing figures

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he needs to.

David O'Day · May 4, 2020

thekidfromstrettoncamp said:
I'm 1 of these old gits and my observations are the opposite young girls on their phones going from 1 ailse to another and back again when they have just remembered something from the previous 1 just walk close by you as though your not there. They just need to put the phone away for a short time .I'm 1 of the vulnerable 1's and treat everyone as a possible carrier.Perhaps should have put this in "Most irritating things" post.

I'd rather some had a phone than repeatedly leant over me like the foogies like to do.

None of them seem to adhere to social distancing

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David O'Day · May 4, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
They just had an old fella on the Jeremy Vine radio show saying that he didn’t serve in the airforce to be told what to do by the government. He must have been on permanent court marshal during his airforce service.

The generation who like to bring up the 2nd World War but were quite old enough to have been there.

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David O'Day · May 4, 2020

Nick said:
The nightingale hospital in London now closed?

Didn't have enough staff anyway

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer · May 4, 2020

Astute said:
And yet again show where I have jumped on Labour

Astute said:
And those same people ignore that Labour didn't prepare for one either.

You said this despite Labour not being in power at any point between when the problem was highlighted and now. The only reason they even did a 'stress test' for pandemic was Labour put in in motion and Tories psuhed it back two years as it was.

As I said I reckon we wouldn't have got all the necessary equipment in even if they had been and decided to spend any funding increases they may have given on what would have seemed more pressing issues at the time.

However I also don't think Labour would have dicked about trying to get the scientific community to endorse a herd immunity strategy losing us valuable time. But at the same time Laboour would have probably had even more problems convincing of shutting borders. With lockdown I can't say either way but probably they'd have been slightly more willing to push ahead with it sooner and probably harder.

As for no pandemics, there were flu pandemics in the 1950's and 60's. 2009 swine flu was classed as a pandemic. Aids is a pandemic that is still occurring today. Just because we were only mildly affected by the flu's and Aids is more of a slow burn killer than the others and isnt airborne (but has killed loads more people than coronavirus has) doesn't mean we haven't had pandemics. We've just been rather fortunate as to the limited effect they've had here, possibly due to better health and safety, standards etc.

But this is all speculation on my part and the main take from it is we can never know what difference a different administration would have had, for better or worse.

fernandopartridge · May 4, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
They just had an old fella on the Jeremy Vine radio show saying that he didn’t serve in the airforce to be told what to do by the government. He must have been on permanent court marshal during his airforce service.

How bizarre - did he not realise who he was representing in reality?

thekidfromstrettoncamp · May 4, 2020

David O'Day said:
Didn't have enough staff anyway

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Didn't need many to treat to treat 71 patients over the 4weeks

Sky Blue Pete · May 4, 2020

thekidfromstrettoncamp said:
Didn't need many to treat to treat 71 patients over the 4weeks

Maybe the nhs was fine all along

hill83 · May 4, 2020

People kicking off about the nightingale hospital barely being used. Surely that’s a good thing? Or did we want it rammed? Can’t win.

shmmeee · May 4, 2020

Here’s my question that I haven’t seen asked or answered:

Clearly we stayed home as intended, stories abound that the government were surprised by how strictly people followed lockdown orders.

Clearly we protected the NHS as we haven’t had Italy style stories of ICUs overrun and places like the Nightingales were empty.

So why didn’t we save lives? Why are we looking at double the “good result” we expected? Why are we looking like having the second highest death rate in the world from this? What went wrong?

clint van damme · May 4, 2020

hill83 said:
People kicking off about the nightingale hospital barely being used. Surely that’s a good thing? Or did we want it rammed? Can’t win.

Yeah. Can't moan about not building redundancy into the NHS to cope and then moan about these nightingale hospitals not getting much use.
Glad they've not really been used and hopefully they won't be.

Sky Blue Pete · May 4, 2020

shmmeee said:
Here’s my question that I haven’t seen asked or answered:

Clearly we stayed home as intended, stories abound that the government were surprised by how strictly people followed lockdown orders.

Clearly we protected the NHS as we haven’t had Italy style stories of ICUs overrun and places like the Nightingales were empty.

So why didn’t we save lives? Why are we looking at double the “good result” we expected? Why are we looking like having the second highest death rate in the world from this? What went wrong?

Sending elderly positive patients back to their care homes might not have helped much.

BackRoomRummermill · May 4, 2020

David O'Day said:
The generation who like to bring up the 2nd World War but were quite old enough to have been there.

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Very true , also too old to have been in Falklands war and too old to be effected badly in the 2008 crash , they have had it easy compared to today’s youth who I am not one of but sympathise with enormously they have had shit to put up with while the old greedy NIMBY lot have had it easy

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