The Times article is damming and it will be interesting to see the government response (and more importantly the inquiries when all the information is laid bare - which is the right time/way for people to held to account)
I watched that video about 5 or 6 times and I’m still wasnt quite sure about the uproar. People will read into it what they want but it’s a minute clip and he starts by talking about ‘it’s in that context’ what context ? So I googled the speech and checked the transcript...
‘From Brussels to China to Washington tariffs are being waved around like cudgels even in debates on foreign policy where frankly they have no place - and there is an ever growing proliferation of non-tariff barriers and the resulting tensions are letting the air out of the tyres of the world economy.
World trading volumes are lagging behind global growth.
Trade used to grow at roughly double global GDP – from 1987 to 2007.
Now it barely keeps pace and global growth is itself anaemic and the decline in global poverty is beginning to slow.
And in that context, we are starting to hear some bizarre autarkic rhetoric, when barriers are going up, and when there is a risk that new diseases such as coronavirus will trigger a panic and a desire for market segregation that go beyond what is medically rational to the point of doing real and unnecessary economic damage, then at that moment humanity needs some government somewhere that is willing at least to make the case powerfully for freedom of exchange, some country ready to take off its Clark Kent spectacles and leap into the phone booth and emerge with its cloak flowing as the supercharged champion, of the right of the populations of the earth to buy and sell freely among each other’
So basically the context was how unnecessary trade barriers and protectionism are slowing the decline of global poverty ???? But I guess the person uploading it didn’t want that bit on there ?!
There are plenty of genuine faults to be looked into after it’s over but this type of nonsense (to be polite) isn’t any help to anyone !
I saw the Nawaz stuff earlier and if he's correct it would seem the knives are out Johnson.
If they bin him off it would be a huge mistake unless they have a Mk II lined up but I'm not aware of any up and coming charlatans for the time being
rumours abound that Gove sees his opportunity
eg:
it’s not a popular opinion but I stand by it: while “the left” are standing by, “the right” are calculating the next move. That’s why they always win.
And the “take it on the chin”?
The quotes from government insiders in well connected papers saying “we didn’t want lockdown”?
The quotes from scientific advisors saying their advice was ignored?
The quotes from Whitehall about Cummings presentation “a few pensioners will die”?
At some point mate you’re just deluding yourself.
Ive been there. Voting Labour when Iraq happened and the full extent of the deceit came out. But there comes a point where basic humanity and common sense comes ahead of party loyalty.
He can do a line like a boss though...Can he hold a pint like Johnson? Can he make wisecracks on the spot?
Can we stop with this ‘party loyalty’ stuff shmmeee, I’ve let a few comments ride as they were said in half jest but I’ve also stated on numerous occasions that I have no loyalty. I’ve voted for the two main parties equal times.
Please don’t misinterpret me questioning articles, videos etc and calling out factually incorrect comments (like ‘take it on the chin’) as me supporting the Tories.
I’ve said that in relation to a number of the elements I’d reserve my judgement until I’m armed with all the facts and inquiries are held and would support people to be held to account. Ive also already highlighted what I consider as failings. I can’t say more than that but that’s not me showing a lack of humility/basic humanity
Gove also been pretty visible so that is nonsenseCan he hold a pint like Johnson? Can he make wisecracks on the spot?
“when this is over”- you mean in the same way there was an unbiased & professional inquiry into Hillsborough? Not a chance- they need to be questioned, challenged now because these fucking ghouls will already be calculating how to apportion blame to everyone else while saying “now isn’t the right time”
Well there’s already minutes available from the scientific committee meetings etc etc so shouldn’t be too difficult to pull together the facts
Which is exactly my point. The Tories are doing enough damage to themselves. It will be good to see what happens next. Glad it is the Tories in charge while this is happening.Thats why I think Starmer is probably taking the correct approach at present. Still point out immediate issues/failings and then when there’s an inquiry if there are major failings/issues jump on them and capitalise on them then. The wider public wouldn’t appreciate him giving a government a good shoeing based on articles etc at present, however much some would prefer him to.
You just worked that out?Those who voted tory voted for them after they set up their Twitter account to mimic the fact check Twitter account
Twitter accuses Tories of misleading public with 'factcheck' foray
They have no moral high ground
Works on both sides though mate, I’ve been labelled as a left wing Labour voted when I’ve only voted Labour twice in 15 years.Can we stop with this ‘party loyalty’ stuff shmmeee, I’ve let a few comments ride as they were said in half jest but I’ve also stated on numerous occasions that I have no loyalty. I’ve voted for the two main parties equal times.
Works on both sides though mate, I’ve been labelled as a left wing Labour voted when I’ve only voted Labour twice in 15 years.
If anyone understandably doesn’t want to pay to read the Times article, here it is. If after reading anyone would still like to say that we should wait until it’s all over (which would mysteriously turn out to be about 2 years) as opposed to asking some pretty fucking serious questions now, would be fascinated to know how that can be justified.
And then read some of the comments here
around timelines, advice etc to show you should try to retain a balanced view and not necessarily jump to the conclusions based on headlines
أبو عمّار (@MaajidNawaz) on Twitter
Pretty simple explanation, Murdoch / Times back Gove, Telegraph backs Johnson.Very interesting considering all the media is supposed to be on the side of the Tories.
Actually I’m jumping to a conclusion based on thousands dead, no PPE, lack of equipment, constant lies, pin badges, doctoring figures etc etc That conclusion is that the government have failed their population horrendously and unforgivably. The article has come after all those facts became apparent, so you’re splitting hairs again.
Actually I’m jumping to a conclusion based on thousands dead, no PPE, lack of equipment, constant lies, pin badges, doctoring figures etc etc That conclusion is that the government have failed their population horrendously and unforgivably. The article has come after all those facts became apparent, so you’re splitting hairs again.
Works on both sides though mate, I’ve been labelled as a left wing Labour voted when I’ve only voted Labour twice in 15 years.
We've got less of a lockdown than many other countries. Other countries don't let you leave the house without permission yet here we still have non-essential workers travelling to work every day and arguments about who is and isn't allowed to use parks.And I’m sorry but at what point do you stop minimising evidence after evidence that this government intended to have less of a lockdown and therefore more deaths to gain a small economic advantage?
Pretty simple explanation, Murdoch / Times back Gove, Telegraph backs Johnson.
I was talking about the article
The Times of course as well was very firmly in the remain camp during the Brexit debate
Gove also been pretty visible so that is nonsense
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Therefore again we see that for the Conservatives there is never a wrong time to “make a move”. Yet on the other side they stand around not wanting to offend anyone. Which is why they’ll keep losing.
Number of votes= [(Number of pints held x Height of pint held) x (Number of Union Jacks waved + Number of jokes told^2)]/Number of left wing policies offered
One thing about Boris- I can see how he is able to engage lots of people. I have never seen a hint of Gove having any similar ability, surely they won’t stick him in charge?
Therefore again we see that for the Conservatives there is never a wrong time to “make a move”. Yet on the other side they stand around not wanting to offend anyone. Which is why they’ll keep losing.
One thing about Boris- I can see how he is able to engage lots of people. I have never seen a hint of Gove having any similar ability, surely they won’t stick him in charge?
So how bad a fuck up do you think there needs to be to result in Boris going?Johnson won’t be leaving as a result of this
If onlyYou just worked that out?
If grenners says something the opposite is likely to happenSo how bad a fuck up do you think there needs to be to result in Boris going?
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