The Sunday Times article is particularly damming. I can see the Tories ditching Boris before the next election and his handling (or lack thereof) of Coronavirus will be the cementing factor in it. Truly shocking read on outright incompetence.What a leader.....
Coronavirus: 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster
Boris Johnson skipped five Cobra meetings on the virus, calls to order protective gear were ignored and scientists’ warnings fell on deaf ears
Coronavirus: 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster | News | The Sunday Times
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Good thread about the article here
"Boris Johnson skipped COVID-19 meetings and ignored scientists' warnings, The Sunday Times reports" Boris Johnson skipped COVID-19 meetings and ignored scientists' warnings, The Sunday Times reports
Crisis leadership at its finest...
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This is what happens when you’re obsessed with getting power but have no idea what to do with it
I doubt it to be honest, they're very good at PR and he will just carry on, there will be a scapegoat, but I doubt it'll be him.The Sunday Times article is particularly damming. I can see the Tories ditching Boris before the next election and his handling (or lack thereof) of Coronavirus will be the cementing factor in it. Truly shocking read on outright incompetence.
Fake News!!The Sunday Times article is particularly damming. I can see the Tories ditching Boris before the next election and his handling (or lack thereof) of Coronavirus will be the cementing factor in it. Truly shocking read on outright incompetence.
This quote from the Times article sums it upOr pick a cabinet based on how ingrained they are with the Brexit ideology at the expense of everything else.
I agree, he's the poster boy. His style woos the likes of Dom no matter what he does.I doubt it to be honest, they're very good at PR and he will just carry on, there will be a scapegoat, but I doubt it'll be him.
The article must be pretty much on the mark...his only rebuttal was there are "one or two aspects in it that are slightly off beam..."Fake news .
Gove has got this he's just told Sophie Ridge.
You could be right. It could depend on the timing of a release on any report also. Look at the Russia report. What Russia report?I doubt it to be honest, they're very good at PR and he will just carry on, there will be a scapegoat, but I doubt it'll be him.
Or pick a cabinet based on how ingrained they are with the Brexit ideology at the expense of everything else.
I doubt it to be honest, they're very good at PR and he will just carry on, there will be a scapegoat, but I doubt it'll be him.
The tories will get rid of a leader if they feel it protects the party overall, they are ruthless. Johnson will go I reckon, he's got paternity leave coming up and I wouldn't be surprised if some ill health reason is used.
Chris Whitty will be the first casualty. And having read the Times article I couldn’t say he doesn’t deserve it.Yep. Hancock is the face of this, he'll be thrown under the bus once this is over.
Boris will be front and centre once the numbers start dropping and he'll be the saviour.
The general public will absolutely lap it up. That's the kind of thing they are thick enough to fall for.
Chris Whitty will be the first casualty. And having read the Times article I couldn’t say he doesn’t deserve it.
This quote from the Times article sums it up
“The last rehearsal for a pandemic was a 2016 exercise codenamed Cygnus, which predicted the health service would collapse and highlighted a long list of shortcomings — including, presciently, a lack of PPE and intensive care ventilators.
An equally lengthy list of recommendations to address the deficiencies was never implemented. The source said preparations for a no-deal Brexit “sucked all the blood out of pandemic planning” in the following years.”
And Sylus would be David IckeIf we were politicians:
PVA: Nick Clegg on crack
G: Mark Francois
Coventrian: Ian Paisley Snr
Dave O'Day: John Prescott
The Times article is damming and it will be interesting to see the government response (and more importantly the inquiries when all the information is laid bare - which is the right time/way for people to held to account)
I watched that video about 5 or 6 times and I’m still wasnt quite sure about the uproar. People will read into it what they want but it’s a minute clip and he starts by talking about ‘it’s in that context’ what context ? So I googled the speech and checked the transcript...
‘From Brussels to China to Washington tariffs are being waved around like cudgels even in debates on foreign policy where frankly they have no place - and there is an ever growing proliferation of non-tariff barriers and the resulting tensions are letting the air out of the tyres of the world economy.
World trading volumes are lagging behind global growth.
Trade used to grow at roughly double global GDP – from 1987 to 2007.
Now it barely keeps pace and global growth is itself anaemic and the decline in global poverty is beginning to slow.
And in that context, we are starting to hear some bizarre autarkic rhetoric, when barriers are going up, and when there is a risk that new diseases such as coronavirus will trigger a panic and a desire for market segregation that go beyond what is medically rational to the point of doing real and unnecessary economic damage, then at that moment humanity needs some government somewhere that is willing at least to make the case powerfully for freedom of exchange, some country ready to take off its Clark Kent spectacles and leap into the phone booth and emerge with its cloak flowing as the supercharged champion, of the right of the populations of the earth to buy and sell freely among each other’
So basically the context was how unnecessary trade barriers and protectionism are slowing the decline of global poverty ???? But I guess the person uploading it didn’t want that bit on there ?!
There are plenty of genuine faults to be looked into after it’s over but this type of nonsense (to be polite) isn’t any help to anyone !
Exactly.I get your point to an extent, you have to ask why was Coronavirus mentioned at all in that context then Steve? The premise of it is about not intervening isn't it.
I get your point to an extent, you have to ask why was Coronavirus mentioned at all in that context then Steve? The premise of it is about not intervening isn't it.
Very interesting considering all the media is supposed to be on the side of the Tories.The Times article is damming and it will be interesting to see the government response (and more importantly the inquiries when all the information is laid bare - which is the right time/way for people to held to account)
I watched that video about 5 or 6 times and I’m still wasnt quite sure about the uproar. People will read into it what they want but it’s a minute clip and he starts by talking about ‘it’s in that context’ what context ? So I googled the speech and checked the transcript...
‘From Brussels to China to Washington tariffs are being waved around like cudgels even in debates on foreign policy where frankly they have no place - and there is an ever growing proliferation of non-tariff barriers and the resulting tensions are letting the air out of the tyres of the world economy.
World trading volumes are lagging behind global growth.
Trade used to grow at roughly double global GDP – from 1987 to 2007.
Now it barely keeps pace and global growth is itself anaemic and the decline in global poverty is beginning to slow.
And in that context, we are starting to hear some bizarre autarkic rhetoric, when barriers are going up, and when there is a risk that new diseases such as coronavirus will trigger a panic and a desire for market segregation that go beyond what is medically rational to the point of doing real and unnecessary economic damage, then at that moment humanity needs some government somewhere that is willing at least to make the case powerfully for freedom of exchange, some country ready to take off its Clark Kent spectacles and leap into the phone booth and emerge with its cloak flowing as the supercharged champion, of the right of the populations of the earth to buy and sell freely among each other’
So basically the context was how unnecessary trade barriers and protectionism are slowing the decline of global poverty ???? But I guess the person uploading it didn’t want that bit on there ?!
There are plenty of genuine faults to be looked into after it’s over but this type of nonsense (to be polite) isn’t any help to anyone !
I am all for hammering someone for what they have done wrong. But what we don't need to happen is Labour believing false news and having a go at the Tories for it for the news to be shown to be false. It would make those who voted Tory back them and deride Labour even more.Im not being difficult but I didn’t hear (get) the bit about not intervening hence me looking into it. I got that Coronavirus was causing more countries to put their barriers up and causing more market segregation and that we wouldn’t do that. I was honestly listened to it with a completely open mind as well.
As I say people will hear what the want to in terms of context etc. Unfortunately because of current circumstances people will put two and two together and tie our perceived (could be argued actual) slow response and the words used, I just don’t see it.
Very interesting considering all the media is supposed to be on the side of the Tories.
If they were all on the side of the Tories maybe the tide is turning.
I am all for hammering someone for what they have done wrong. But what we don't need to happen is Labour believing false news and having a go at the Tories for it for the news to be shown to be false. It would make those who voted Tory back them and deride Labour even more.
Very interesting considering all the media is supposed to be on the side of the Tories.
If they were all on the side of the Tories maybe the tide is turning.
Those who voted tory voted for them after they set up their Twitter account to mimic the fact check Twitter accountI am all for hammering someone for what they have done wrong. But what we don't need to happen is Labour believing false news and having a go at the Tories for it for the news to be shown to be false. It would make those who voted Tory back them and deride Labour even more.
My mind changed a little when I read an article. An 80 ton shipment turned up from Turkey. It had 500,000 medical gowns on it. Sounded great. But then it said it won't last long as there are 400,000 frontline staff. It gives an idea of the problem we face.
Countries that manufacture items are keeping them for themselves. This us the problem with becoming service based and mot manufacturing based. The EU even made an apology to Italy for shipments that had been paid for from France and Germany that they ended up keeping for themselves.
Just like the test kits we bought that ended up being useless.
I put it down to running everything on a tight budget. Always wanting to get the cheapest price but wasting NHS money on management. Suddenly the items are like gold dust. The suppliers can get a much better price elsewhere so they sell elsewhere.
Does anyone honestly think they are not trying to buy PPE?
The Times article is damming and it will be interesting to see the government response (and more importantly the inquiries when all the information is laid bare - which is the right time/way for people to held to account)
I watched that video about 5 or 6 times and I’m still wasnt quite sure about the uproar. People will read into it what they want but it’s a minute clip and he starts by talking about ‘it’s in that context’ what context ? So I googled the speech and checked the transcript...
‘From Brussels to China to Washington tariffs are being waved around like cudgels even in debates on foreign policy where frankly they have no place - and there is an ever growing proliferation of non-tariff barriers and the resulting tensions are letting the air out of the tyres of the world economy.
World trading volumes are lagging behind global growth.
Trade used to grow at roughly double global GDP – from 1987 to 2007.
Now it barely keeps pace and global growth is itself anaemic and the decline in global poverty is beginning to slow.
And in that context, we are starting to hear some bizarre autarkic rhetoric, when barriers are going up, and when there is a risk that new diseases such as coronavirus will trigger a panic and a desire for market segregation that go beyond what is medically rational to the point of doing real and unnecessary economic damage, then at that moment humanity needs some government somewhere that is willing at least to make the case powerfully for freedom of exchange, some country ready to take off its Clark Kent spectacles and leap into the phone booth and emerge with its cloak flowing as the supercharged champion, of the right of the populations of the earth to buy and sell freely among each other’
So basically the context was how unnecessary trade barriers and protectionism are slowing the decline of global poverty ???? But I guess the person uploading it didn’t want that bit on there ?!
There are plenty of genuine faults to be looked into after it’s over but this type of nonsense (to be polite) isn’t any help to anyone !
Nah he is master joke teller and pint holder, nobody else in their party is better at it
Im not being difficult but I didn’t hear (get) the bit about not intervening hence me looking into it. I got that Coronavirus was causing more countries to put their barriers up and causing more market segregation and that we wouldn’t do that. I was honestly listened to it with a completely open mind as well.
As I say people will hear what the want to in terms of context etc. Unfortunately because of current circumstances people will put two and two together and tie our perceived (could be argued actual) slow response and the words used, I just don’t see it.
But but Boris ladddddd
When Ruper Murdochs times newspaper is lining up to bury Boris it will be hard to survive.
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The government response was basically “it’s mostly correct”. We knew most of it already mate.
And I’m sorry but at what point do you stop minimising evidence after evidence that this government intended to have less of a lockdown and therefore more deaths to gain a small economic advantage?
Come on Steve, you’re a reasonable bloke and I’m sure it must be hard to internalise the people you’ve voted for doing such thing but that’s where all the evidence points.
This shouldn’t be about party politics and sticking up for who you voted for. Have some humility and realise thousands have died unnecessarily due to government action. Thousands. More than any terrorist attack. More than Grenfell. All for ideology and laziness.
You’re right shmmeee, this isn’t about party politics and inquiries will be held to understand what actions were taken, when and why and I would expect people to be held to account. I’m keeping an open mind on certain elements until then (I’ve commented before about PPE and testing NHS workers as the two main issues I see as failings)
In terms of the planned lesser lockdown, I agree, I think the intention was not to have a strict lockdown (quite rightly if feasible/possible....it wasn’t hence the measures implemented)
If it’s found that the government ignored advice for purely economic reasons Ill be first to call for heads to roll
Unfortunately rather than sensible debate people would rather throw the kitchen sink at it.....like that dodgy/cut video earlier
ps I listen to Majid Nawaz (former Lib Dem) a fair bit on LBC (usually reasonably/balanced, got a bit ranty over brexit but didn’t everyone on both sides). He’s talking about Times article now and posted some stuff on Twitter.
أبو عمّار (@MaajidNawaz) on Twitter
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